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Old 21st Jul 2021, 12:36
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
Well ****, as Einstein points out, we’ve never had it so good, what I can’t understand is why nobody thought of a global pandemic as an engine for growth earlier?..............you are completely deluded............a ****show of epic proportions. .......3 year olds finger painting with their own poo.............a day late and a dollar short........ world class in terms of lethargy in delivery and confused messaging........We now find ourselves a laughing stock........even Burkina Faso would be ashamed of.......Take a bow Australia
Your post appears to have struck a chord with those easily entertained by little more than uncouth pontifications bestrewed with the odd expletive. If you haven't worked in a contract tracing centre in each state and in a health care covid clinic in each state then you already don't know a majority of how the situation has been managed, in each state. It also sounds as though you're lacking in awareness of how each of the federated states operates as a part of our nation. About the only point you may've hit on the head, albeit inadvertently, is the political nature of some of the so-called "lockdowns" but you'd like to think even the dimmest of observers could see that for what it is. Still, you appealed to the peanut gallery so, well done to you. Please post some links to media reports from outside Australia indicating this country is a "laughing stock" to the rest of the world.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
Still, you appealed to the peanut gallery so, well done to you.
And here you post as self appointed Lord of the peanuts.

Condescending hypocrite.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
If you haven't worked in a contract tracing centre in each state and in a health care covid clinic in each state then you already don't know a majority of how the situation has been managed, in each state.
What a load of garbage.

So only those involved in the health system are allowed to judge or pass comment?

The measures used to combat the virus are wide ranging and affect everyone. We are all “end users” in this system. It would be much better (and more sustainable) if there was more weight put on the opinions of normal people! The lack of balance in weighing up restrictions is what got us to this point to start with. And before you get your knickers in a twist, by more weight I mean more than the 0% currently applied. It’s been 100% “health advice” for the last 18 months.

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Please post some links to media reports from outside Australia indicating this country is a "laughing stock" to the rest of the world.
If you’re looking for opinion/commentary having a go at Australia’s policies so far, you won’t find it. Believe it or not, but the various talking heads around the world have better things to do! It’s only Aussies in Australia that think they’re that important.

But there’s plenty of factual reporting covering the various restrictions in place. If you bothered to read them you would find almost universal disappointment and anger from Australians stuck overseas looking back. They are the ones that care. They are also “end users” of the farcical quarantine system. Which is another example of COVID policy that hasn’t progressed (for the benefit of all) since it was implemented. Here’s a good summary article to save you the hassle.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...accine-rollout



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Old 21st Jul 2021, 18:28
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Can someone please make a list of specific qualifications and recent experience that qualifies a person to have an opinion on Covid 19

at this point from observation it appears the requirement is a PHD in a medicine field, a masters in health management, and 18 months of continuous failure in a bureaucratic government health position
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 20:22
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Speaking of things we’re not allowed to reference, the CDCs VAERS website is now reporting 12500 deaths “adjacent” to getting a Covid vaccination. (Of course the criteria for apportioning blame to the vaccine is not the same as the criteria for apportioning blame to Covid when a death occurs so ignore this number)

also the VAERS website is known to be unreliable (*cough underreports *cough) so disregard
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
Queen P about to jump for joy in half an hour. Let me guess, we will get a "This will put Brisbane on the map", comment. Hope the borders are open by then.
She did very well considering it was a foregone conclusion as basically nobody else wanted it.
Hope shes got some money put aside for the infrastructure.
Maybe hidden in a Qld bank thats only for Queenslanders🤭
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 22:17
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
Your post appears to have struck a chord with those easily entertained by little more than uncouth pontifications bestrewed with the odd expletive. If you haven't worked in a contract tracing centre in each state and in a health care covid clinic in each state then you already don't know a majority of how the situation has been managed, in each state. It also sounds as though you're lacking in awareness of how each of the federated states operates as a part of our nation. About the only point you may've hit on the head, albeit inadvertently, is the political nature of some of the so-called "lockdowns" but you'd like to think even the dimmest of observers could see that for what it is. Still, you appealed to the peanut gallery so, well done to you. Please post some links to media reports from outside Australia indicating this country is a "laughing stock" to the rest of the world.
Thanks for the laugh mate.

I needed that and really enjoyed your sarcastic humour. Keep them coming!!.

I think the general consensus is that Aiustralia is a laughing stock from within its borders. Forget about looking for comentary from overseas.

" Bestrewed". Love it. Is that like " Strewth " guvna?

MCD
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 22:21
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Originally Posted by mattyj
Speaking of things we’re not allowed to reference, the CDCs VAERS website is now reporting 12500 deaths “adjacent” to getting a Covid vaccination.
Where are you getting 12,500 deaths from? The CDC summary as of 19 July 2021 states '6,079 reports of death':

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.
That's the CDC's bolding.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 22:22
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Originally Posted by mattyj
Speaking of things we’re not allowed to reference, the CDCs VAERS website is now reporting 12500 deaths “adjacent” to getting a Covid vaccination. (Of course the criteria for apportioning blame to the vaccine is not the same as the criteria for apportioning blame to Covid when a death occurs so ignore this number)

also the VAERS website is known to be unreliable (*cough underreports *cough) so disregard
How old were they? Any underlining health issues?

I live in an Australian retirement town. God's Waiting Room. Many look like they'll be dead in weeks. Overweight and immobile. Yet we are surround by beaches and fine food. Western societies sure have some major health concerns beyond COVID.


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Old 21st Jul 2021, 22:25
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Speaking of things we’re not allowed to reference, the CDCs VAERS website is now reporting 12500 deaths “adjacent” to getting a Covid vaccination. (Of course the criteria for apportioning blame to the vaccine is not the same as the criteria for apportioning blame to Covid when a death occurs so ignore this number)
Speaking of things we are not allowed to mention, it is always a good idea to research impartially both sides of the argument without bias. Given that we have zero debate in this country and "its our way or the highway" a little research of the "opposition" and what they say can fill in the big picture

https://www.globalresearch.ca

The truth is, nobody knows what the truth is
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 22:55
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Looking to the future as far as I am concerned this is all you have to look at.

If you can’t see the positives in this graph for the UK you are either stupid, or want to live in a bubble forever.



Acknowledging Australia isn’t there with vaccinations YET, but when we get there I truly hope the Australian Govt/Premiers show some balls and follow the UKs lead.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Speaking of things we are not allowed to mention, it is always a good idea to research impartially both sides of the argument without bias. Given that we have zero debate in this country and "its our way or the highway" a little research of the "opposition" and what they say can fill in the big picture
Middle Ground Fallacy Examples to Spot During an Argument

https://www.globalresearch.ca

The truth is, nobody knows what the truth is
Yes, there is a verifiable truth, and you’re not getting it from that website:

Overall, we rate GlobalResearch a Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy and Strong Pseudoscience website based on the promotion of unproven information such as the dangers of Vaccines and 9-11 as a false flag operation.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:13
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot
Looking to the future as far as I am concerned this is all you have to look at.

If you can’t see the positives in this graph for the UK you are either stupid, or want to live in a bubble forever.



Acknowledging Australia isn’t there with vaccinations YET, but when we get there I truly hope the Australian Govt/Premiers show some balls and follow the UKs lead.
And that’s just more solid evidence to debunk anti-vaxxers.

The difference between UK and Australia being the UK has administered first dose to 90% and second dose to 70% of the adult population, Australia is at 29% and 11% respectively.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:22
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Telling graph!
But.....Sky news reporting that the death rate in US is 0.5/100000 in largely unvaccinated group. Death rate in UK is 0.4/100000 in largely vaccinated group.
Maybe that Dr Ross is onto something.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:23
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[QUOTE]I live in an Australian retirement town. God's Waiting Room. Many look like they'll be dead in weeks. Overweight and immobile. Yet we are surround by beaches and fine food. Western societies sure have some major health concerns beyond COVID.[/QUO

Lifestyle choices are generally not contagious and therefore you have the choice whether to die from obesity and its related diseases. Covid is a Virus, when one person gets it and acts irresponsibly they can pass it onto someone who has done everything right and they die from it. Also being a virus it has an evolutionary drive to exist, the longer it stays in a community, and the wider it spreads, the more likely it will change and adapt to its hosts defenses, the same way in which it jumped host species to start this off.

One of the sad realities of letting covid run in the community is that those in aged care and those that are vulnerable will be shut off from having a normal life and consigned to a jail like existence, again comes down to what price is freedom for the rest of us. I have family in aged care, and they are have been in lockdown for most of this pandemic. Are you all willing to work hard all life and then be jailed in retirement instead of being able to travel? What is done to the old and frail in this instance will set the tone for how you are treated later in life.

As far as deaths from vaccines, the general medical stance is what is the benefit verses the cost. When you undertake corrective surgery for a condition the doctor will inform you of the risk, normally in percentage, some common procedures like joint replacement can be around the 0.5% rate of death, way higher than any vaccine. There is a vast difference between the death rate of 1 in 100 thousand vaccine deaths vs 1 in 100 deaths from the virus it protects against, which can easily climb to 1 in 20 deaths if the health system is overwhelmed. The WHO considers a acceptable death rate as better than 1 in 10,000.

One set of news that does apply to our group is that I learned of another Pilot in the US who is looking at permanent grounding from the aftereffects of Covid, stay away from it, get vaccinated, then keep staying away from it.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:39
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
Speaking of things we are not allowed to mention, it is always a good idea to research impartially both sides of the argument without bias. Given that we have zero debate in this country and "its our way or the highway" a little research of the "opposition" and what they say can fill in the big picture

https://www.globalresearch.ca
Bob, I advocate looking at different views and perspectives but with a finite amount of time I'm simply not going to be allocating much of that to stories about the Pfizer vaccine being laced with graphene oxide or that mRNA vaccines are permanently altering the human genome.

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The truth is, nobody knows what the truth is
And no, leaving aside the logical invalidity of that statement, there are plenty of objective, testable truths.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:53
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for some reason they’ve revised the number back down again..for a brief time it was 12000 plus

“Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

UPDATE: As of 2:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website modified the number of VARS reports related to COVID-19 vaccination deaths from 12,313 to 6,079, through July 13, 2021. The CDC's webpage Last Update date remains July 19, 2021.”
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 23:58
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You guys keeping posting those numbers without ever including this statement on the exact same page:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

You keeping repeating those figures but never include that statement. Every time you do someone sensible here points out that CDC statement, but you guys continue to post that rubbish again and again as if you’ve just made some incredible discovery the “brainwashed sheeple” aren’t aware of.

Can’t you see people on this page aren’t falling for this?
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for some reason they’ve revised the number back down again..for a brief time it was 12000 plus
It may be because the WHO only just released a definition of what constitutes a death related to the vaccine. Specifically related to low platelet count of those that died from clots post Jab. Others may have been ruled out as coincidental deaths, not caused by the vaccine. You have to remember the causation is not clearly understood, but they now have an understanding around the circumstance, so can verify if it was due to vaccine or not, or at least rule out those that were definitely not.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 00:06
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And that’s just more solid evidence to debunk anti-vaxxers.

The difference between UK and Australia being the UK has administered first dose to 90% and second dose to 70% of the adult population, Australia is at 29% and 11% respectively.
Nah the dumb fvcks will just say it’s proof Delta is less dangerous
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