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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
From the ABC news web site today.
Two deaths in the last week and you blokes wonder why there is hesitancy in Australia?
Because we are a bit irrational when it comes to assessing risk. This was a good article on it: https://www.smh.com.au/national/worr...20-p58beh.html
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 13:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre
You guys keeping posting those numbers without ever including this statement on the exact same page:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

You keeping repeating those figures but never include that statement. Every time you do someone sensible here points out that CDC statement, but you guys continue to post that rubbish again and again as if you’ve just made some incredible discovery the “brainwashed sheeple” aren’t aware of.

Can’t you see people on this page aren’t falling for this?
Using what is nothing more than a disclaimer on the VAERS website as support for your specious argument while ignoring the acknowledged fact of deaths with (or after having had) Covid 19 being counted as deaths from Covid 19 in this country and others, thereby inflating death tolls and adversely influencing public opinion, is hypocritical and disingenuous at best. At worst it is grossly misleading and potentially damaging to the ignorant who, amazingly, seem to find the basis for their beliefs in, of all places, this forum. Your skill is in cherry-picking factoids and assembling them in such a way as to imply authority and a veracity beyond question, to suit your own preferred perspective. Despite urging others to acknowledge some vague proposition of your own you won't acknowledge or clarify your true motivation for your attempts to convince the uncertain.

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And out of interest ( again ) can reluctant vaxers post as to whether they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due to COVID?
I suppose they can. If you're insisting that they do so, let's also ask that the "vaxers" also "post as to whether (or not) they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due to COVID19" vaccination? I know of several who have but doubt they're contributing on here.

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And here you post as self appointed Lord of the peanuts.
Condescending hypocrite.
My apologies, wong, obviously I hadn't thought of you, specifically, when I referred to the desperate, ignorant, occasionally rabid, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers of the peanut gallery and am saddened to learn you consider yourself one of them. If it helps, I firmly doubt your knuckles truly drag.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 14:26
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What a valuable contribution Muttley, can you please post a link from a credible source where you verify these “facts”:

Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
Using what is nothing more than a disclaimer on the VAERS website
while ignoring the acknowledged fact of deaths with (or after having had) Covid 19 being counted as deaths from Covid 19 in this country and others, thereby inflating death tolls and adversely influencing public opinion,

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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:09
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It’s curfew time Gladys.

The stories being put on talkback this morning the mind boggles. Home to Home transmission will be impossible to contain. Can they not go a few weeks of their lives without going to someone else’s house? Is it really that bloody hard?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:32
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
It’s curfew time Gladys.

The stories being put on talkback this morning the mind boggles. Home to Home transmission will be impossible to contain. Can they not go a few weeks of their lives without going to someone else’s house? Is it really that bloody hard?
Couldnt agree more,its not what i or anyone else wants but as you say 'is it really that bloody hard'.
The same can be said about groups of people exercising together at bondi,is it that bloody hard to exercise alone or if with someone to stay a couple of metres apart?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:48
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You can’t exercise with a coffee in hand. Bondi are treating it as a joke.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:08
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Originally Posted by SHVC
You can’t exercise with a coffee in hand...
Walk, talk, drink coffee. Perfect way to get in some exercise.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:10
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Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:16
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
Bugout of what? Aviation? Society? There’s **** loads of stuff that can kill us including life itself. What are you afraid of?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:19
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well we need something to spice up the thread abit. It's got boring with the same old crap, Time for some new crap.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:19
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
My survival template for Martian invasion should hold up for this scenario.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.
My plan? Wait for another vaccine!
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:22
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
My plan? Wait for another vaccine!
Seems like the Aussie way nowadays is to cower, hide, and wait for someone else to do something! :-)
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:25
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Heard a professor from Harvard medical school on radio this morning. Made the most sense of anyone. Simply put he said get the vulnerable vaccinated, those over 60. Then open up. No lockdowns. We are just about at that point now. He also said getting children vaccinated was not a good option as they are at more risk of the vaccine than the virus. But what do we have nsw saying today, get the 12 plus year old kids vaccinated. How many 12 year olds have died worldwide of WuHu flu.

lockdowns cause massive financial and mental harm and delay other treatment for serious disease.

we should get the over 60s vaccinated which could be achieved by the end of August. Then no more lockdowns in any state, no more border closures.

as an aside, as we all knew about the Queensland border closure, apparently a hotel on the border near tweed heads was booked a week ago for 80 police starting today. So yes the border closure was pre planned a week ago, just after all the league families arrived .
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:29
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Originally Posted by dr dre
What a valuable contribution Muttley, can you please post a link from a credible source where you verify these “facts”:
The UK counts dying from any cause within 4 weeks of a positive test in their "Covid Deaths" summary. I am led to believe they have now moved exclusively to (2), but it still does not differentiate someone dying with Covid from someone dying because of Covid.

Originally Posted by The UK Government
There are 2 definitions of a death in a person with COVID-19 in England, one broader measure and one measure reflecting current trends:
1) A death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and either died within 60 days of the first specimen date or died more than 60 days after the first specimen date, only if COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate
2) A death in a person with a laboratory-confirmed positive COVID-19 test and died within (equal to or less than) 28 days of the first positive specimen date. Source
You could die from a heart attack or stroke within those 28 days and it'll still count towards their "Death by Covid" statistics. I do not have the time nor inclination to try to find and go through their published cause-of-death statistics to try to determine any significant differences from previous years for each listed cause of death. You're more than welcome to if you so desire...


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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
My survival template for Martian invasion should hold up for this scenario.
War of the Worlds 2019, two seasons, not a bad sci-fi show, keeps you engaged.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:56
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Hey Foxster:

He also said getting children vaccinated was not a good option as they are at more risk of the vaccine than the virus. But what do we have nsw saying today, get the 12 plus year old kids vaccinated. How many 12 year olds have died worldwide of WuHu flu
From the CDC:

“331 minors under 18 have died with Covid out of 626,000 deaths overall, and 41 minors under 18 have died after receiving the Covid vaccine out of 6,000 deaths overall.”
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 00:12
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Originally Posted by mattyj
Hey Foxster:



From the CDC:

“331 minors under 18 have died with Covid out of 626,000 deaths overall, and 41 minors under 18 have died after receiving the Covid vaccine out of 6,000 deaths overall.”
Kids, look at the 0 to 9 year old group. 12 year olds, I suspect most of those under 18 would be nearer 18. There are also complications associated with vaccines.

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2...CFR-by-age.png

Interestingly, the age distribution of mortality by COVID-19 (the distribution of the proportion of deaths per age group among all deaths), is similar between Italy, Japan, and Spain, even though the number of deaths are quite different among them23,24,25 (Fig. 1). The reported number of deaths was 3 in 0–9 years old (yo), 0 in 10–19 yo, 11 in 20–29 yo, 58 in 30–39 yo, 257 in 40–49 yo, 1,051 in 50–59 yo, 3,107 in 60–69 yo, and 25,038 in 70 + yo in Italy as of May 13, 2020. In Japan, that was 0 in 0–9 yo, 0 in 10–19 yo, 0 in 20–29 yo, 2 in 30–39 yo, 8 in 40–49 yo, 16 in 50–59 yo, 44 in 60–69 yo, and 330 in over 70 + yo as of May 7, 2020. In Spain, that was 2 in age 0–9 yo, 5 in 10–19 yo, 23 in 20–29 yo, 61 in 30–39 yo, 198 in 40–49 yo, 607 in 50–59 yo, 1669 in 60–69 yo, and 16,253 in over 70 + yo as of May 12, 2020.

but I think I have misquoted him. Or got two separate interviews mixed. So ignore the children vaccine bit, apologies.

here is the link to the actual interview.

https://www.2gb.com/harvard-professo...-lockdown-now/
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 00:26
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Originally Posted by KRviator
The UK counts dying from any cause within 4 weeks of a positive test in their "Covid Deaths" summary. I am led to believe they have now moved exclusively to (2), but it still does not differentiate someone dying with Covid from someone dying because of Covid.

You could die from a heart attack or stroke within those 28 days and it'll still count towards their "Death by Covid" statistics. I do not have the time nor inclination to try to find and go through their published cause-of-death statistics to try to determine any significant differences from previous years for each listed cause of death. You're more than welcome to if you so desire...
I believe you might be being a little disingenuous here, saying ‘The UK counts…’. Your source is a Public Health England document, which is not the same as the Office of National Statistics. Your PHE document itself states, as a limitation of its data, that ‘the PHE data series does not report cause of death, and as such represents deaths in people with COVID-19 and not necessarily caused by COVID-19.’ It’s quite open about that. Whereas the ONS data (which I would assume is the official figure) has to have had Covid recorded on the death certificate.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 00:33
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Seems like the Aussie way nowadays is to cower, hide, and wait for someone else to do something! :-)
The question was "what is your plan" - not "what is your plan to save the world".
I have no control over border closures, international or domestic.
I am employed and have been throughout the current pandemic - thank you Mark.
I will continue to weather whatever comes my way - because I have no control or influence over it.
And nor do you.

And I'm certainly not waiting expecting you to do anything of any import, other than run off at the mouth.
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