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Old 20th Jul 2021, 17:57
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Keep taking away my freedom and see..
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 17:59
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
How mad? According to public health advice, it's ok to have heart disease, it's ok to have cancer, it's ok to have diabetes 2, it's ok to have liver or kidney disease
but don't you ever ever think about catching Covid. You are not to die of covid, not on my watch. Oh! you have a knee replacement, I'm sorry, your just have
to endure your knee pain. Your pain is the countries gain. Make that 3 fold, mental financial and surmountable stress. Thats the science. Trust the public health advise.
Think your rant through. If you do not make an effort to contain Covid, will you end up with more of less hospital places free to treat other conditions and more or less people to run those hospitals?
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 20:28
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False equivalenceÖ Evidence of immunity debt growing around the world indicates the hospitals are going to fill up anyhow because of our masking and lockdowns
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 21:09
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Just watching that idiot KS on 9s morning show dear mongering everyone. He was saying how bad delta is and comparing to the UK saying they had 46,000 new cases and 96 deaths saying the UK are plummeting back to a lockdown out of those I couldn’t find any info on how many of those deaths were vaccinated. But Seriously WTF his statements make it clear that ppl want zero, we are all f&$ked royally.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:38
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False equivalence… Evidence of immunity debt growing around the world indicates the hospitals are going to fill up anyhow because of our masking and lockdowns
As to hospitals filling up due to "immunity debt", the New Zealand Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) filing ESR data highlights surge of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) notes:

While there were sporadic cases previously, the increase of RSV cases in New Zealand in 2021 was reported by the national viral laboratory network shortly after re-opening the borders with Australia in late-April. ...
“The exponential increase is very sharp. The absence of RSV last winter meant there is a young cohort of children from last year, plus a new cohort this year, who have not been exposed to the seasonal virus,” says Dr Huang. ...
Despite the sharp increase, rates of RSV infection are still less than pre-COVID levels.
Further, the most recent weekly Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) surveillance report issued by the ESR notes:

The rate of hospitalisations due to Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) has continued to decrease after several weeks of increasing rates. The rate is now again below the seasonal baseline threshold and the historical average rate for this time of year. Respiratory Syncytial virus (RSV) was the virus most commonly detected through SARI surveillance in the past week (with high RSV test positivity, ~45%), and these hospital admissions in the Auckland region are predominantly in children under 5 years old.
So, "rates of RSV infection are still less than pre-COVID levels", the hospitalisation "rate is now again below the seasonal baseline threshold and the historical average rate for this time of year" and "rate of hospitalisations due to Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) has continued to decrease".

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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:42
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It doesnt matter what industry you are in.

If you are trying to run a business big or small, this current situation is beyond impossible.

The incompetance loop is running overtime and self perpetuating.

These idiots have destroyed our country.

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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:56
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I tend to think the times have bred a generation that reacts more emotionally to being unfriended on FB than a WWII or WWI soldier would have reacted to losing a leg.
Do you realise it was the WW1 generation that wore masks, closed borders, instituted quarantine, instituted lockdowns, closed venues and schools, cancelled events over the 1918 H1N1 pandemic? Was that generation similarly weak?

Funny enough if you read the history of it all there were similar complaints the states were acting too independently and the Hughes federal government at the time wasn't strong enough in enforcing a consistent approach across the commonwealth.

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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:05
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Do you realise it was the WW1 generation that wore masks, closed borders, instituted quarantine, instituted lockdowns, closed venues and schools, cancelled events over the 1918 H1N1 pandemic? Was that generation similarly weak?

Funny enough if you read the history of it all there were similar complaints the states were acting too independently and the Hughes federal government at the time wasn't strong enough in enforcing a consistent approach across the commonwealth.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...9-afa400642b97
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:09
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
It doesnt matter what industry you are in.

If you are trying to run a business big or small, this current situation is beyond impossible.

The incompetance loop is running overtime and self perpetuating.

These idiots have destroyed our country.

MCD.
The economy is 1.1% larger than it was pre-covid

Employment is at 4.9% which is the lowest itís been in a decade. Participation rate is stable.

GDP is up 1.8% for the first quarter of 2021
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:45
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Thatís quantitative easing and injecting that printed cash into the economy
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So, "rates of RSV infection are still less than pre-COVID levels", the hospitalisation "rate is now again below the seasonal baseline threshold and the historical average rate for this time of year" and "rate of hospitalisations due to Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) has continued to decrease".
yet the DHBs are in the media complaining about being overrun and there was 500 cases in childrenís hospitals
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 00:09
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yet the DHBs are in the media complaining about being overrun and there was 500 cases in children’s hospitals
"were" in the media, past tense.

And of course, yes, let's turn to the media for our facts, what would the bodies that actually capture, analyse and report the data know?

As the ESR notes there was most assuredly a very significant spike in RSV cases but the case count has subsequently declined such that they are now back to historical baselines. It's called regression to the mean.

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Old 21st Jul 2021, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
The economy is 1.1% larger than it was pre-covid

Employment is at 4.9% which is the lowest itís been in a decade. Participation rate is stable.

GDP is up 1.8% for the first quarter of 2021
Re first point and third point yes larger economy is good for miners and for home owners but there are plenty who are none of these and have to work even if sick in order to survive. For example, Removalists.

Regarding the 2nd point I had to take early retirement in March 2020 so not on the stats and my wife is a casual and her hours are only 70% of pre covid and zero during a lockdown bu again not on your stats.
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 00:30
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Many given up looking for work Iíd suspect and many just hanging in to worried to quit .
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 01:00
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
The economy is 1.1% larger than it was pre-covid

Employment is at 4.9% which is the lowest it’s been in a decade. Participation rate is stable.

GDP is up 1.8% for the first quarter of 2021
Never mind that pesky $160-something budget deficit. Someone else'll pick up the tab...And don't forget GDP dropped 7% in the Mar-Jun quarter last year, and 0.3% before that. We're barely back where we were 18 months ago...Oh, and "employment" is, IIRC, defined as working but 1 hour a week or more. Work half a casual shift a week? Great, you've contributed to reducing unemployment. How many of those 95.1% of "employed" people got paid a full 38 hours a week over the last 6 months? Certainly not me - or mot of us here, I would suggest...
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 01:14
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Sydney airport might want to rethink the buyout offer.....the numbers in NSW arnt looking good
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Old 21st Jul 2021, 01:30
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Itís official. The situation is proper f*%#ed in Australia right now.



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Old 21st Jul 2021, 01:32
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Well going of the last few days in Sydney Gladamir will keep it locked down till December at least. Community transmission still on the up, but that should be going down lockdown for almost 4 weeks.

United recently announcing they’re withdrawing passenger and Cargo services until October only a matter of time before others follow suit

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Old 21st Jul 2021, 01:38
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Waiting this outbreak out until December for herd immunity or as close as possible will destroy the state.

Letís wait until next week to see if things start to drop. It did seem near impossible in Melbourne however they did get there eventually.

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Old 21st Jul 2021, 04:02
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
The economy is 1.1% larger than it was pre-covid

Employment is at 4.9% which is the lowest itís been in a decade. Participation rate is stable.

GDP is up 1.8% for the first quarter of 2021
Well shit, as Einstein points out, weíve never had it so good, what I canít understand is why nobody thought of a global pandemic as an engine for growth earlier?

Iíve had one AZ and have the second next week. Iím not a COVID denier, and neither do I believe itís a 5G conspiracy. Like most on here, Iíve spent my entire career in an environment of regulatory compliance, so if Iím told to stay indoors or wear a mask Iím hardwired to comply.

But for those of you sitting there (many of you in government jobs) telling yourself Australia has done an awesome job, you are completely deluded. This countryís management of this virus has been a shitshow of epic proportions. Geography spared us from mass infection and jobkeeper blunted some of the economic pain.

Closing international borders was a good decision, but executed by both feds and state government like 3 year olds finger painting with their own poo.

National cabinet has produced zero collaboration or consensus and merely legitimised state premiers who have repeatedly proved to be low talent administrators driven purely by reelection. In Qld the bag lady, sorry CMO, has actually sabotaged the vaccine rollout she supposedly supports.

The vaccine rollout (sorry feds, this one is all you) was a day late and a dollar short, and world class in terms of lethargy in delivery and confused messaging.

We now find ourselves a laughing stock, or we would do if the media reported any news outside of Australia or NZ, and confined to a miserable and dystopian world of often politically driven lockdowns and decimated consumer confidence, whilst the vaccine rollout continues at a rate even Burkina Faso would be ashamed of.

Yet we sit at home watching the ABC news and tutting about decisions made in the US or UK in a very different environment. Take a bow Australia
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