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Old 8th Apr 2021, 11:05
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So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now? I think we’ll end up exporting most of our supply. With the low levels of infection in this country, most are now going to sit around and wait for an alternative vaccine. This has pushed the international border opening back a long way...
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 11:15
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The other problem with deferring the vaccine rollout is one of a state response to the pestilence getting out and about in the community again. Will McGoose and Anna-Stayaway resume their heavy-handed approach to their borders?
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 13:19
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now? I think well end up exporting most of our supply. With the low levels of infection in this country, most are now going to sit around and wait for an alternative vaccine. This has pushed the international border opening back a long way...
Couldn't agree more
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 13:49
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So who is going to rush out and get the AZ jab now?
I expect to see a rise in unplanned pregnancies as the different rates of blood clots sink in.
1 in 1,000 women per year who take the oral contraceptive and 60% higher for those who use a patch.

Rate of clots for COVID patients
Pulmonary embolism, or clotting on the lungs, occurs in 7.8% of people who have COVID-19
Deep vein thrombosis (DVT), or clotting in the legs, occurs in 11.2% of people who have COVID-19
Of those who have COVID-19 and end up in an intensive therapy unit (ITU), 23% will have some form of clot
COVID-19 causes strokes in 1.6% of people
Up to 30% of people who have COVID-19 will get thrombocytopenia, which is a lowering of the platelet count.
Is it such a slow news period that we have to tilt at windmills?
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 13:52
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
The other problem with deferring the vaccine rollout is one of a state response to the pestilence getting out and about in the community again. Will McGoose and Anna-Stayaway resume their heavy-handed approach to their borders?
will they ever, this pandemic is a political wet dream. The gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 21:17
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From the TGA website, Pfizer appears to be no better option than Astra Zeneca if you compare the data. With Pfizer you're more likely to have Anaphylaxis, cardiac event or a bleeding disorder. I will take my chances with the 6 in 1 million chance of the blood clot taking Astra Zeneca.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covi...ort-07-04-2021
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 22:57
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Once again we’ve lost any context of risk. You have a greater probability of dying whilst driving to get an AZ vaccine than any risk of death from a blood clot. We’re becoming a country of risk averse nannies. How the hell do people even get out of bed in the morning without fear of death is beyond comprehension. Nanaustralia.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 23:18
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Then there is this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a....html#comments

and this. I sure as hell hope we and the rest of the world have closed off all flights from Brazil.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ise-world.html

and what happens when we get that mutation that renders the current vaccines ineffective... seeing as we are witnessing how difficult it is to roll out a vaccine in the numbers required. We would need to repeat the process for a new vaccine, after it has been modified. And what is the percentage degradation in effectiveness governments are prepared to accept. A new mutation makes current vaccines 25% less effective. Is that ok. 35%, 50%..

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 03:39
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20 million more Pfizer jabs secured, for delivery............. at the end of the year

Hows that supposed to work for those who live away from a major city where they can be administered? Are the government going to be flying every person under the age of 50 to the nearest capital city to be vaccinated?
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 03:47
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I mean we had ordered 20 million doses, and so far received 1 million. Without domestic production there is no way we can control delivery, if anything supply will become even more controlled this year.

I dont think the storage will be a huge issue, the temperature isnt that low
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 03:50
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
20 million more Pfizer jabs secured, for delivery............. at the end of the year

Hows that supposed to work for those who live away from a major city where they can be administered? Are the government going to be flying every person under the age of 50 to the nearest capital city to be vaccinated?
Not quite - in Q4.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:06
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I mean we had ordered 20 million doses, and so far received 1 million. Without domestic production there is no way we can control delivery, if anything supply will become even more controlled this year.

I dont think the storage will be a huge issue, the temperature isnt that low

there have been numerous cases of the AstraZeneca vaccine being thrown out due to spoilage from being temperature compromised. Seems Linfox have a lot to answer for. The Pfizer vaccine has potential for disaster from a logistics perspective.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:11
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
Once again weve lost any context of risk. You have a greater probability of dying whilst driving to get an AZ vaccine than any risk of death from a blood clot. Were becoming a country of risk averse nannies. How the hell do people even get out of bed in the morning without fear of death is beyond comprehension. Nanaustralia.
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:41
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Originally Posted by Qwark View Post
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
That's true only right now while the borders are effectively closed. The P1 variant in Brazil is killing more people under 50, and eventually it will be seen everywhere, as all the variants do.

There is no way the government will allow the borders to open again until a large (75%?) part of the population has been vaccinated. Bummer for anyone in this industry.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 05:28
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SHVC, I wouldn’t chance any of these vaccines. Better odds for survival without them!
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 05:42
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
There is no way the government will allow the borders to open again until a large (75%?) part of the population has been vaccinated. Bummer for anyone in this industry.
Not true.

Idea already being touted about ensuring the most at risk are vaccinated - ie those certain age demographics / with pre existing conditions. Once those are vaccinated, country will be ok to open as there should be very little risk of death amongst the remaining population.

Glad to see we are finally moving away from a zero risk approach.

Those saying this hiccup will push the borders opening up 6-12 months back will be pleasantly surprised.

Stay positive! Theres an awful lot of gleeful negativity on here..
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 06:27
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Originally Posted by Qwark View Post
Why not go one step further and point out that from a risk view point, it is better for under 50s to be unvaccinated than take this AZ vaccine (with a very rare side effect). Its was always the case that vaccines are developed to prevent the population from contracting a disease with significant health effects. This has never been the case for COVID and the younger/healthy group of the population.
Not really. The IFR in the UK for the age group 15-44 before the vaccine was 0.03%. To date, 6.7 million under 50s in the UK have had the first AZ jab and there have been 11 under 50s blood clot deaths possibly linked to the vaccine or 0.00016418%.

So if you are under 50, you are 182 times more likely to die if get COVID than you are from blood clot from the vaccine.

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Old 9th Apr 2021, 07:54
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So if you are under 50, you are 182 times more likely to die if get COVID than you are from blood clot from the vaccine.
...and if covid was running rampant in this country youd have a point. But its not, so people are looking at choosing between two vaccines, not between a vaccine and covid.

Yes, yes, people are dumb and dont understand maths, but the damage is done. AZ is damaged goods.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 08:14
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
...and if covid was running rampant in this country youd have a point. But its not, so people are looking at choosing between two vaccines, not between a vaccine and covid.

Yes, yes, people are dumb and dont understand maths, but the damage is done. AZ is damaged goods.
cant help thinking at least some of that damage was deliberately done by the EU for political reasons. Of which there are potentially many.

seems a huge over reaction though. Also the adverse reactions from the other vaccines seems to not receive any mention.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:17
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I'd have thought those who have been poo poo-ing the death rate of COVID and bellyaching to open up the economy due to the economic impacts would be pushing for all to take the AZ vaccine ASAP with its known 200,000 times less death rate than getting COVID and get the borders open and our industry running again....
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