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Old 30th Mar 2021, 21:48
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It was also reported the original cases in Brisbane Dr and Nurse had not been vaccinated. Itís been discovered QLD and other states including NSW have been with holding up to 40% of doses on the shelf incase of short fall for the second jab even after the federal gov have assured them of enough supply now. States are responsible for this Australia is an embarrassment after seeing the statistics of the UK and USA
would have happened even if they were vaccinated as the vaccine doesnít stop you getting it.

and something I have been saying for a while now about the vaccines themselves.

Two-thirds of global disease experts believe coronavirus variants will make vaccines ineffective within ONE YEAR

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  • A total of 66.2% said they believe that within one year, mutations of the virus will render vaccines ineffective
  • Of that group, 18.2% said they believed it would occur within six months and 32.5% said within nine months
  • Another 18.2% said vaccines would be ineffective within two years while 7.8% said they believed mutations would never cause vaccines to become ineffective
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 21:51
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I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 22:10
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I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?
yep, but none of those tested appear to be sick at all.

looks like Gold Coast will go into LOCKDOWN today.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 22:14
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I know it does not, but it can reduce the severity in most cases and preventing things like death which is what everyone is worried about right?
Itís been nearly 6 months since anyone has died from an acute COVID infection in Australia. We are well and truly beyond worrying about deaths, zero cases is the only acceptable COVID status. Which is why borders will not reopen until the vaccines prevent infection.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 22:33
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zero cases is the only acceptable COVID status
Yeah, thatís not going to happen.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:16
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AstraZeneca Vaccine suspended in Canada now for anyone under 55 years of age

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...d-19-1.5968657
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:20
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would have happened even if they were vaccinated as the vaccine doesnít stop you getting it.
That's incorrect https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:33
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Vaccines are not 100% effective, as evidenced by one of todayís new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised, but they are not far off 100% depending on the variant.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:46
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The lock down in Brisbane won’t end on Thursday ( my thoughts).
After the 9:00 am press briefing I think it looks positive for an end to lockdown on Thursday. Only three cases.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 23:54
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Vaccines are not 100% effective, as evidenced by one of todayís new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised, but they are not far off 100% depending on the variant.
We can survive even if we don't achieve zero COVID cases, we can survive if vaccines aren't 100% effective. We just need to get to a point where CHOs are confident hospital systems won't be overloaded leading to preventable deaths. (WA isn't in good shape in this regard apparently, hence hard border stance) So give me a few hotspots, most of the population vaccinated with a >70% effective vaccine and let's get on with living. It's all hypothetical unless the government accelerates the vaccination program such that the vaccines remain effective in light of a mutating virus. Otherwise it will be an endless game of catch up.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 00:00
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AstraZeneca Vaccine suspended in Canada now for anyone under 55 years of age

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...d-19-1.5968657
An easy, risk free stance to take as they have multiple vaccines available. Always easier to err on the side of caution when it wonít affect much. Doesnít mean itís not safe to use, only that there is some risk.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
We can survive even if we don't achieve zero COVID cases, we can survive if vaccines aren't 100% effective. We just need to get to a point where CHOs are confident hospital systems won't be overloaded leading to preventable deaths. (WA isn't in good shape in this regard apparently, hence hard border stance) So give me a few hotspots, most of the population vaccinated with a >70% effective vaccine and let's get on with living. It's all hypothetical unless the government accelerates the vaccination program such that the vaccines remain effective in light of a mutating virus. Otherwise it will be an endless game of catch up.
Exactly right. Our politicians now need to get this message across to all of the scared little children theyíve kept scared.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 01:38
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Well here we go again. I’m sure Emporer of the west will be closing to NSW by tonight. Confirmed case in Byron after press release this morning.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 01:43
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Well here we go again. Iím sure Emporer of the west will be closing to NSW by tonight. Confirmed case in Byron after press release this morning.
I wouldn't be surprised unfortunately, it is ridiculous - they really need a hotspot system. However i reckon all other states will also move to make the northern rivers region a hotspot. Certainly a blow for the busy Easter period
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 05:19
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Meanwhile....something on which to ponder

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6fa4c1a8faebc4

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Old 31st Mar 2021, 05:49
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Meanwhile....something on which to ponder

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...6fa4c1a8faebc4
My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 06:02
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I’m interested in any preexisting comorbidities among the long-Covid group, including the BMI of those affected. Does anyone have access to that data?
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 08:43
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Iím interested in any preexisting comorbidities among the long-Covid group, including the BMI of those affected. Does anyone have access to that data?
Fat chance mate. Seriously if youíre so interested google scholarly articles, Lancet in particular, and read for a few hours then get back to us.
If youíre fat, or a smoker, an old fart or all three then youíre fu*#ed.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 11:59
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.
Love the fact you use a Newscorp journalist reporting on a scientific study omitting to mention the sample size as a basis for discrediting the study. Quite an achievement.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:14
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.
If it's the article "Persistent symptoms up to four months after community and hospital-managed SARS-CoV-2 infection", by Darley et al, published in Medical Journal of Australia:
The study size was 78 patients, of which 9 had been hospitalised. The average age in the study group was 47 years of age. 37 of the 78 had no comorbidities, and at the time of presentation 3 of the 78 were classed as obese.

There were a range of measurements taken to assess the impact across various organ systems, with a substantial proportion of people experiencing ongoing problems across a range of organs, including some with cognitive impairment or ongoing loss of smell, indicating some sort of nerve damage. The authors acknowledged that their study is limited in its ability to generalise across a broader population, as their sample was largely drawn from a highly educated, wealthier predominantly white population with lower rates of chronic co-morbidity - ie the results found in the study are actually likely to be better than those found in a poorer, sicker group with worse healthcare or the general population.

If anyone can point me in the direction of a more recent or different paper, as the journalist keeps referring to an 8 month timeframe, that would be appreciated.
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