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Old 30th Mar 2021, 00:36
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The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 00:50
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Palachook loves all this. Those nasty Liberal bullies can't tell HER what to do!
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 00:50
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The vaccine doesnít stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.
Stopping severe illness is the point.

The rollout has barely started. The vaccinated numbers at this point in time are only 12% of where the federal government predicted they would be by now. As seen not even those who are coming into contact with Covid cases have all been fully vaccinated.

As far as wider ranging immunity goes that will take longer. At least until the critical populations in 1B and 2A are fully vaccinated. Local production is only just starting, and you need two shots dispersed by 3 months. So expect a similar reaction til around August/September.

International travel wonít resume until basic herd immunity is reached. Previously this was thought to be around 70%, in Israel however theyíre seeing that maybe 55% is enough.

Yes the vaccine is a game changer, but it has to be injected into people to work. The effectiveness of vaccines sitting in storage containers is 0%. It wonít be too much higher if plenty of critical groups continue to be allowed to choose not to be vaccinated too.

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Old 30th Mar 2021, 01:00
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Politicians ďforcingĒ vaccinations?? In my opinion they havenít been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases shouldíve been told ďget a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new jobĒ.
I canít believe there doesnít seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times Iíve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why werenít these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I canít see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once Iíll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 01:45
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I think the problem is the supply of the vaccine not the reluctance of the medical profession to not get it! So maybe the real problem lies with the Federal Government!!
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 01:56
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I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
Ask Chris Hemsworth to get a jab for a promo shoot. That'll motivate a few more people perhaps. Even Thor needs the vaccine. Mind you he lives in Byron.......
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 01:58
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Which is why I said stop wasting even a single dose on those photo-opportunistic politicians ... of all pursuasions. (Replying to cynphil)
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:01
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The vaccine doesnít stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.
A new study by the CDC shows that a single dose provides an 80% reduction in the risk of infection, not just illness. The second dose improves that again.

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:01
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I canít believe there doesnít seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times Iíve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why werenít these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I canít see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once Iíll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
Ah yes the photo opportunities,applauding each other,smiling for each other & back slapping their high flying party supporters meanwhile they have absolutely no idea how to roll out a vaccination schedule.
How good was he making himself look with his now useless 1/2 price airfare stunt,his salary wont get affected,thats for sure.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:13
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Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:17
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Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?
Iím starting to doubt Iíll be receiving the first dose this year!
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:29
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?
This is why I cant see the intl border opening this year, too many new variants with unknown vaccine effectiveness - particularly Brazilian and South African variants
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:31
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Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?
Lots of ďcouldĒs and fluffy language in that article.. I wouldnít be too concerned considering the source!
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:33
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You do know that any headline with the generic word Scientists in it is going to be bullshit, right?
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:43
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Stopping severe illness is the point.
Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 02:49
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Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%
In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
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In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 03:02
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And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.
i dont disagree, but here is a forum for people needing class 1 medical cert, are you willing to take the chance? (Im not talking for post vaccination)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009

i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 03:09
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n a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 daysafter they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
Not completely dissimilar to glandular fever. However, I don't believe we bankrupt the nation for that.

Doctors like certainty (that's not a criticism) but certainties involve zero risk. Nothing we do is without risk - if we always listened to doctors we'd all be teetotal vegan cyclists that never leave the house.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 03:57
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It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.

Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.

The peak of many waves in various countries has brought several first world health systems crashing to a halt.

When every ICU bed is full and ventilator occupied, and you have a car crash and need intubating... what then? Plenty of people are admitted to ICU each day without COVID. They would likely die under an overloaded health system.

We don't have lockdowns for glandular fever as is not really contagious, unless sucking face, so it will never overload the health system.

Maybe people should listen to those Paris doctors who just yesterday took out an ad in the paper to say that before long it is likely that they will have to triage who lives and dies, with or without COVID.
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