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The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.
Originally Posted by Tubman601
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.
The rollout has barely started. The vaccinated numbers at this point in time are only 12% of where the federal government predicted they would be by now. As seen not even those who are coming into contact with Covid cases have all been fully vaccinated.
As far as wider ranging immunity goes that will take longer. At least until the critical populations in 1B and 2A are fully vaccinated. Local production is only just starting, and you need two shots dispersed by 3 months. So expect a similar reaction til around August/September.
International travel won’t resume until basic herd immunity is reached. Previously this was thought to be around 70%, in Israel however they’re seeing that maybe 55% is enough.
Yes the vaccine is a game changer, but it has to be injected into people to work. The effectiveness of vaccines sitting in storage containers is 0%. It won’t be too much higher if plenty of critical groups continue to be allowed to choose not to be vaccinated too.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Politicians “forcing” vaccinations?? In my opinion they haven’t been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases should’ve been told “get a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new job”.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
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I think the problem is the supply of the vaccine not the reluctance of the medical profession to not get it! So maybe the real problem lies with the Federal Government!!
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I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
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Originally Posted by Tubman601
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.
"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
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Originally Posted by LapSap
I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.
How good was he making himself look with his now useless 1/2 price airfare stunt,his salary wont get affected,thats for sure.
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%
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In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
A story has a lot of parts to it.
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And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.
A story has a lot of parts to it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009
i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again
n a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 daysafter they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
Doctors like certainty (that's not a criticism) but certainties involve zero risk. Nothing we do is without risk - if we always listened to doctors we'd all be teetotal vegan cyclists that never leave the house.
It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.
Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.
The peak of many waves in various countries has brought several first world health systems crashing to a halt.
When every ICU bed is full and ventilator occupied, and you have a car crash and need intubating... what then? Plenty of people are admitted to ICU each day without COVID. They would likely die under an overloaded health system.
We don't have lockdowns for glandular fever as is not really contagious, unless sucking face, so it will never overload the health system.
Maybe people should listen to those Paris doctors who just yesterday took out an ad in the paper to say that before long it is likely that they will have to triage who lives and dies, with or without COVID.
Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.
The peak of many waves in various countries has brought several first world health systems crashing to a halt.
When every ICU bed is full and ventilator occupied, and you have a car crash and need intubating... what then? Plenty of people are admitted to ICU each day without COVID. They would likely die under an overloaded health system.
We don't have lockdowns for glandular fever as is not really contagious, unless sucking face, so it will never overload the health system.
Maybe people should listen to those Paris doctors who just yesterday took out an ad in the paper to say that before long it is likely that they will have to triage who lives and dies, with or without COVID.
