All borders to reopen.
It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.
Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.
Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.
Try saying these three words slowly. Health.Needs.Funding
Because the government has (rightly in principle, but poorly in execution) determined that a slightly open border (for controlled return of expats and continuation of flight crews for freighters etc) outweighs medical risks of a virus escape turning into an overloaded health system. The mitigator is lockdowns.
Re funding - How many ICU rooms can you build and equip from scratch in - say - 6 months? Or maybe 12 months? And how many frontline health workers would we have spare if it spread like Europe or USA? Would they have been built in time to stop the health system being overloaded? With a huge country like AU with many regional areas remote from hospital facilities it would be a disaster. That's why many communities have been off limits. In WA you fly a pregnant woman the same distance as London to Budapest to get to hospital if she goes into labor more than 4 weeks early.
Re funding - How many ICU rooms can you build and equip from scratch in - say - 6 months? Or maybe 12 months? And how many frontline health workers would we have spare if it spread like Europe or USA? Would they have been built in time to stop the health system being overloaded? With a huge country like AU with many regional areas remote from hospital facilities it would be a disaster. That's why many communities have been off limits. In WA you fly a pregnant woman the same distance as London to Budapest to get to hospital if she goes into labor more than 4 weeks early.
I'm getting a bit tired of these knee-jerk Lockdowns.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.
Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
I'm getting a bit tired of these knee-jerk Lockdowns.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.
Crippling a city again because some infected returnee in a hotel gave it to a guard who went free-range.
I'd like to know how these 6 people are doing...are they really friggin' sick? Is one of them going to die?
Sure would like Channel 10 to do a story on this, but I'm guessing that there is nothing much exciting to relate.
Of course immunisation stops that. The government needs to ensure all workers within 50m of a potential Covid case are fully vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.
The more vaccinations the less strict precautions will need to be. As pilots the best we can do is get vaccinated and then become braggarts. Tell everyone we know we got vaccinated and encourage them to do the same, show it’s safe, quick and free. It’s the only way this lockdown/closure/isolation cycle will end.
Originally Posted by jrfsp
i dont disagree, but here is a forum for people needing class 1 medical cert, are you willing to take the chance? (Im not talking for post vaccination)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009
i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009
i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
I understand your point. I just don’t think it’s worse than all the other ways we lose our Medicals. Diabetes / Coronary Disease / Cancer etc are much worse. The under-reaction to those diseases makes the over-reaction to CV that much worse.
Can you catch diabetes from touching the same door handle that someone with diabetes did?
Sometimes pilots should just stick to piloting.......
Gladys has done an outstanding job so far, her downfall will be allowing the bluefest music festival to go ahead. This will be end of NSW streak which will result in a state wide outbreak. We will be back to where we were in April last year.
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Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Can you catch coronary disease from being in a close space for a few minutes with someone who has coronary disease?
Another 3000 people a year die in car accidents. Should we ban cars as well?
Originally Posted by wheels_down
Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Originally Posted by dr dre
Can you catch coronary disease from being in a close space for a few minutes with someone who has coronary disease?
Can you catch diabetes from touching the same door handle that someone with diabetes did?
Sometimes pilots should just stick to piloting.......
Can you catch diabetes from touching the same door handle that someone with diabetes did?
Sometimes pilots should just stick to piloting.......
It’s ok that we disagree on this. Someone had to vote for Labor and buy into the “chicken little” song and dance.
Originally Posted by wheels_down
Seems like Melbourne is the place to be now!
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Brisbane was going to fall over eventually just a matter of when.
Why are unvaccinated nurses dealing with positive cases with the assorted strains? Madness.
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
No but 3000 people take their own life in Australia each year.
Another 3000 people a year die in car accidents. Should we ban cars as well?
Another 3000 people a year die in car accidents. Should we ban cars as well?
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Originally Posted by SHVC
Gladys has done an outstanding job so far, her downfall will be allowing the bluefest music festival to go ahead. This will be end of NSW streak which will result in a state wide outbreak. We will be back to where we were in April last year.
probably wait a day or two then make a decision I reckon. The testing que’s in Byron today were huuuuge. Any positive results she might can it. If it’s all clear, there’s a chance Byron might have escaped this one.
utter incompetence from the Queensland government. Given the way P and Miles carried on, it was only a matter of time.
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Originally Posted by Tubman601
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.
Real world results in countries doing a far better job of vaccinations (USA/UK/Israel/UAE) would suggest the vaccine DRAMATICALLY lowers your chance of getting infected, let alone passing it on to someone else.
Overall, there were 170 SARS-CoV-2 infections among HCWs in the period between Dec 19, 2020, and Jan 24, 2021, of which 99 (58%) HCWs reported symptoms and were designated as COVID-19 cases. Of the 170 HCWs who became infected, 89 (52%) were unvaccinated, 78 (46%) tested positive after the first dose, and three (2%) tested positive after the second dose. Among the 125 infections that could be traced, 87 (70%) were community acquired and there were no nosocomial clusters.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...448-7/fulltext
A case control study, which has been peer reviewed and published in the New England Journal of Medicine, compared 596 618 people who were newly vaccinated in Israel and matched them to unvaccinated controls. Two doses of the mRNA vaccine reduced symptomatic cases by 94%, hospitalisation by 87%, and severe covid-19 by 92%, according to the data from the Clalit Institute for Research which is Israel’s biggest healthcare provider.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567
The ONLY thing that will change your life and get aviation back up and running in Australia, is saying YES to a vaccine when it’s your turn.
*For the record, I’m overseas in a country that actually gets s*** done. Wife and I have already had both doses, so we are keen to see Australia get a move on so we can actually visit family again.
Thanks faction, the link below should be widely shared and reported on!!
Originally Posted by faction
A new study by the CDC shows that a single dose provides an 80% reduction in the risk of infection, not just illness. The second dose improves that again.
"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
probably wait a day or two then make a decision I reckon. The testing que’s in Byron today were huuuuge. Any positive results she might can it. If it’s all clear, there’s a chance Byron might have escaped this one.
utter incompetence from the Queensland government. Given the way P and Miles carried on, it was only a matter of time.
utter incompetence from the Queensland government. Given the way P and Miles carried on, it was only a matter of time.
Hopefully there arent more cases today & everybody can look forward to easter being somewhat as planned.
Going off the news this morning, Brisbane cluster has expanded waiting to be confirmed. Easter is not looking good now and with NT are on the fore foot by declaring Byron Bay a hot spot anticipating an out break there. I wonder if the emperor of the West will just close to NSW for being idiotic and continuing with the Byron Bay blues festival.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
Going off the news this morning, Brisbane cluster has expanded waiting to be confirmed. Easter is not looking good now and with NT are on the fore foot by declaring Byron Bay a hot spot anticipating an out break there. I wonder if the emperor of the West will just close to NSW for being idiotic and continuing with the Byron Bay blues festival.
Hopefully Byron bay shows no more cases but always a chance.
Although they are saying all healthcare staff will get the jab,wouldnt it be appropriate for ALL healthcare & hotel quarantine staff to be tested at the start of every shift so that the chances of a transmission happening are reduced as much as possible.
As far as states slamming borders shut i guess its really a case of them being dammed if they do & dammed if they dont,the people in the unaffected states dont want it to enter so not an easy choice,just my opinion,many will disagree so no easy choice.
