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Old 17th Mar 2021, 08:11
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Originally Posted by krismiler
In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.
That's a terrible comparison.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 04:05
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McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 04:46
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McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.
Not that unusual at all. The WA Treasurer was usually the WA Premier until 2001. Colin Barnett also held both roles for a while. JBP did both roles in Qld for years. Since 2000 the Premier/Treasurer role has been held concurrently by one person for periods of time in NSW, SA, Tasmania, Victoria, the ACT and the NT. The current leaders of NT, ACT and Tasmania are also that respective jurisdiction's current Treasurer. In fact it's only the Federal Government in which there has usually been a separation between the roles of Premier/PM and Treasurer. You'd have to go back to 1949 when Ben Chifley was PM to find a dual PM/Treasurer.

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Old 18th Mar 2021, 09:14
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Originally Posted by SHVC
McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.

And with the two safest Liberal seats having gone to Labor in the last coupe of hours, today, I would think your average West Australian is quite happy.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
What hasnít been said is that these countries are seemingly ignoring real world data from a country that has more experience with the vaccine than them (UK), who found that the prevalence of these clotting findings are actually less in the vaccinated population. There are also events associated with the Pfizer vaccine which seems to have been completely ignored.

The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally.

By stopping the rollout, they are causing unnecessary deaths.

haha - "The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally". Thats the best statement I have heard in a long time !!!! And sooooo true !!!
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 10:18
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Western Australia is not a State! It is a state of mind!
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 23:26
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In 2020, 276 people died in road accidents in Queensland. That’s 3 every 4 days but we accept it because we can’t live without transport. Some people will die because of the vaccine, however a 100% safe vaccine won’t happen, there is a risk with any medical treatment but we accept that the benefits outweigh the risks and go ahead.

A small percentage of the population are allergic to peanuts and in severe cases that can lead to death yet peanuts are widely available with little control over their sale.
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Old 19th Mar 2021, 05:28
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If you have a low blood platelet count, consult a GP before getting the COVID vaccine.

ITP is quite common.

COVID can cause ITP

COVID vaccine can cause ITP in some cases. 150 out of 400 million recipients

Flu vaccine can cause ITP, so can other medicines and foods.

https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/covid-19-and-itp

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699/rr-6\

I just wonder how the leaders and population will react when the next bad flu season hits. in 2017 4,500 people died from flu.


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Old 19th Mar 2021, 23:03
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I wouldn't call rates of less than 1 in 10,000 "quite common".

And there is a big "do you suffer form auto immune disorders" on the consent form.

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Old 20th Mar 2021, 21:39
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Meanwhile back at the brains trust, the Vic Government seeks to contract more CBD quarantine hotels. YOUR taxes at work.
What is that definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over & over while expecting a different outcome.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 00:24
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Well since Victoria is not accepting overseas arrivals who is in quarantine there?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...19-p57cb0.html

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Old 21st Mar 2021, 03:26
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Back on the topic of borders, Prof Murphy said today, "hopefully international travel will be possible in 2022". They keep moving the expectations further back. In 2020, they were hopefully for 2021, now its 2022. Even then it sounds like measures will still remain. "We might think about for example reducing the length of quarantine, or more home quarantine, particularly for vaccinated people. Our risk tolerance will change over the second half of this year. I think what I've said is nobody can really predict what will happen with international borders, I'm hopeful that pretty good international travel will happen next year but it's just too early to tell because there are things we don't know about the vaccines yet."

Currently my only incentive for vaccination is the possibility of international travel - if this is still heavily restricted, I wont be going and might hold off on vaccination.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 03:47
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
Back on the topic of borders, Prof Murphy said today, "hopefully international travel will be possible in 2022". They keep moving the expectations further back. In 2020, they were hopefully for 2021, now its 2022. Even then it sounds like measures will still remain. "We might think about for example reducing the length of quarantine, or more home quarantine, particularly for vaccinated people. Our risk tolerance will change over the second half of this year. I think what I've said is nobody can really predict what will happen with international borders, I'm hopeful that pretty good international travel will happen next year but it's just too early to tell because there are things we don't know about the vaccines yet."

Currently my only incentive for vaccination is the possibility of international travel - if this is still heavily restricted, I wont be going and might hold off on vaccination.
The way I see it, the more vaccinated the population is, the more likely those making decisions will be prepared to increase their risk tolerance. Europe has ballsed up their vaccine rollout, but the UK and US are really powering ahead. The vaccine has demonstrated a very strong ability to reduce mortality and hospitalisation. If hospitals are not being overrun and citizens are not dying of covid, then the government will be forced to treat it like any other communicable disease.

The initial challenge is changing the mindset at state level. Now the election cycles have passed, there also seems to be positive noises in that area.. WA for example didn't lock out NSW last week as they have before and QLD CHO has indicated a reduced appetite for lockdowns... Haven't heard any bleatings about "Qld hospitals for Qlders' since the election.

I think we have reason for optimism in our industry.. but only if as a population in Australia we work for the greater good... ie i'm in an age bracket that is unlikely to die of Covid - but I will take either the AZ or Pfizer vaccine as soon as it is available.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 04:57
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So you will still need to quarantine even if you have had the vaccine, and presumably by 2022, everyone or near to it, but especially the vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated. WTF is that ****e. God almighty, look at the mortality rates without a vaccine, in the UK and Australia, the average age of death of covid patients is 82. It really isn’t that horrific for most people. No it really isn’t. Now add a vaccine. It becomes like the flu.

what the hell is really going on here. I understand international travel may not be viable to countries who have not vaccinated a significant proportion of their population. The UK and the US at least are well on track already to achieve that. While Europe has cocked it up for political reasons and perhaps because they want to use their own vaccine. But you would hope they would have at least all their vulnerable groups done by the end of this year.

it is all beyond ridiculous now...
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 06:49
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My tolerance for this stupidity reached zero some time ago.

I refuse to quarantine, social distance use a mask or use the tracking apps in ANY state.

Life goes on. Stuff the Govtís and their Nazi gestapo police.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 07:23
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Originally Posted by zanthrus
My tolerance for this stupidity reached zero some time ago.

I refuse to quarantine, social distance use a mask or use the tracking apps in ANY state.

Life goes on. Stuff the Govtís and their Nazi gestapo police.
sounds like every boomer I know.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 07:29
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I second Zanthrus and I'm not a boomer.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 08:17
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I agree with Zanthrus too and I'm definitely not a boomer.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 08:35
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So none of you wear masks in the airport? And if you get contacted by whoever and are instructed to isolate for some reason you just wonít do it?

my comment t about boomers was simpmy in reference to the behaviours I saw from then in my area when this all kicked off. After lockdown. They were the only ones not following the guidelines. I heard a few comment how great it was as the coffee shops were emptier. Letís not forget those two that started the northern beaches outbreak.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 08:42
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So none of you wear masks in the airport? And if you get contacted by whoever and are instructed to isolate for some reason you just won’t do it?

my comment t about boomers was simpmy in reference to the behaviours I saw from then in my area when this all kicked off. After lockdown. They were the only ones not following the guidelines. I heard a few comment how great it was as the coffee shops were emptier. Let’s not forget those two that started the northern beaches outbreak.

strange because in places like the UK and I suspect here also, it is the twenty somethings that are the main offenders. I can’t see many boomers going to secret raves or having house parties with a hundred people, etc etc.,, but continue your anti boomer rant. And I don’t think it was boomers who were bonking the hotel guests in isolation they were meant to be guarding....
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