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Old 13th Jan 2021, 20:56
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Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
McGowan is a #### ####### ####
He may have had great success with the voters but watching him talk recently he is nothing but a power hungry psychopath. Must have been picked on during his Navy career I reckon.

Wait until COVID gets out in WA- he will make Dan look like a Saint.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:03
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
That's one way to improve the compliance rate.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:07
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Sorry, do we have an attitude that those above average life expectancy arenít worth saving?
Never said that. I just posed the question. Itís called average life expectancy for a reason. We canít live forever.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:32
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Aren't airports a federal jurisdiction?
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 23:01
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Itís pretty easy to not cop that massive fine. Just wear a mask in airports and on aircraft. As airline staff weíre mandated to wear one anyway as part of our employment. If we refused to weíd cop a bigger fine than $50k, itís called being sacked.

Iíd say fines towards the extreme end would be for those who are being disruptive, like refusing to wear one after being directed to by police.

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 00:02
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Eliminate it from community spread until the population is properly immunised.

In other news itís good to see some progress is being made on the hotel quarantine front, with measures that epidemiologists have been wanting for months now are being considered, although it wouldíve been better had the federal government taken the responsibility for quarantine as constitutionally mandated to them in the first place.

If these ideas are implemented across the nation then basically thereíll be very little risk of a major city hotel outbreak so life can return to best as normal until the population is immunised to herd immunity. Probably better for the quarantiners too as they can have some fresh air instead of being cooped up in sealed hotel room:

The Queensland Government will consider using mining camps to quarantine international travellers as the state grapples with a cluster of the highly-contagious UK strain of coronavirus.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she would raise the matter with the Federal Government when national cabinet meets next Friday.

"We are going to look at all options and one of those options is to look at some of the mining camps that we have in Queensland," she said.

"Now, for a start, some of these mining camps are four-star.Ē

"My understanding is most of them, the ones we're looking at, have balconies so there's a lot of fresh air for guests and also, too, there's the capacity for all of the staff and the cleaners and everyone to also be based on those sites as well.

"I think this is a rational option and if we are dealing with a strain which is up to 70 per cent more infectious, I think we need to be really serious about it."

Queensland considers mining camps for quarantining travellers - ABC News
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 01:06
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
I believe that the penalty mentioned arises from this :
“Breaching directions made under the Emergency Management Act may result in on-the-spot fines of $1,000 for individuals, or where a matter is deemed serious and dealt with under formal criminal charges penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for 12 months may be imposed by the courts.”
The last significant penalty imposed under the WA state regs was a young man who was fined following numerous, flagrant breaches of his self-quarantine directions and subsequently pleaded guilty to 5 counts of Fail to Comply with an Emergency Management Act Direction
He was fined a total of $13,000. (Very lenient in my opinion).

A WA Police spokesperson said that “Breaching directions made under the Emergency Management Act may result in on-the-spot fines of $1,000 for individuals, or where a matter is deemed serious and dealt with under formal criminal charges penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for 12 months may be imposed by the courts.”

In other words, the state law and penalties have not changed. The only change is the adoption of the requirement to wear the mask at all times in airports which is a federal directive arising from a National Cabinet decision.
It applies to NSW as well, though the penalty may vary from state to state.

As far as I can tell, in NSW the penalties which would apply would be for breaches of the Public Health Act 2010.
In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.
The NSW Police may also issue on-the-spot fines of $1000 for an offence.
In the case of any corporation, the maximum penalty is $55,000 and a further $27,500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.

Funny though that the papers aren't also saying "Beryl will fine you $11,000 AND stick you in gaol for six months if you don't wear a mask at the airport".
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 02:36
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Eliminate it from community spread until the population is properly immunised.
That's not what he said or intimated.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Bodie1 View Post
The bloke is a massive ********. Eliminate the virus............yeah, right mate. That's gunna happen.
Hello, New Zealand calling!
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 08:23
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Hello, New Zealand calling!
Yep, they eliminated it. Sure did. Was going great for so long.Then Poof! Like a magic trick it was back - and they still don't know where it came from.

Just like NSW did, just like Qld...

Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 08:29
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
Yep, they eliminated it. Sure did. Was going great for so long.Then Poof! Like a magic trick it was back - and they still don't know where it came from.

Just like NSW did, just like Qld...

Wash, rinse, repeat.
You do realise that elimination in the middle of a global pandemic is not a one shot deal? Do it once and never see it again?

The epidemiologist meaning of elimination is to remove it from society and then, as it reappears in the community, as it will, have zero tolerance for it remaining.

Itís a process, that will continue until it stops being a pandemic and becomes endemic.

There have been 5 outbreaks of COVID in the community since June 2020, only the August outbreak required any change to the alert levels. The other 4 were handled without changing much of the way life is in NZ.

The most recent change after the last case of community transmission (18th November) was compulsory masks on all forms of public transport.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Worst case scenario USA, --------- against Australia
Population 330,000,000 -----------------25,000,000

Total cases 23,400,000 ------------------ 28,647
Deaths 389,900 -------------------------------- 909
Total recoveries 13,800,000 ------------- 25,860
Active cases with covid 9,200,000 ------- 1,878
IN ICU 29,222 ------------------------------------ 1
Deaths per 1,000,000 = 1173 ----------------- 35

Haven't got health care workers though you reckon they would be healthy in the first place if their dealing with sick people
as their profession. As you can see the Aus numbers are influenced with harsh lockdowns, curfews, international air restrictions.
The USA hardly did any of that plus their diet is crap they all live on top of each other hence the large numbers.
I understand the problem, people should not be scared of the virus you should be scared of your own immune system.

Planet earth is located at the right temperature from the sun to sustain life. Provided is O2 and H2O and they alone
will produce fungi, moulds, viruses, germs. The bloke upstairs then decided to invent humans, and he provided them
with a immune system to fight them off. I believe that's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
Guess what, it will continue for the next 10,000 and 10,000 after that. What are we scared of?
these numbers are very dodgy.

Total deaths in USA in previous years seem to be, if you can believe anything online anymore, between 2.7 & 2.9 million (that's over 7,000 a day). Figures for 2020 don't seem to have been released yet, but maybe slightly higher in 2020 than in 2019, but not 300,000 or 350,000 more & 2021 is expected by many to be less than 2020, perhaps 2.7 or 2.8 million.

With hospitals in USA claiming bonus payments for patients with covid 19, think many might not be dying from covid but with covid & there is a huge difference.

Time will tell.

We all will die at some point. Guarantee it.

Everyone needs to get it into perspective & play down the media hype.

Watch out when the flu hits. That's really deadly.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:22
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You do realise that elimination in the middle of a global pandemic is not a one shot deal? Do it once and never see it again?
Of course I know that!

I'm not stupid enough to think you can completely eradicate the thing so long as you have international arrivals entering the country. Just like Gladys, the NT Premier and even - to a certain extent now she's been re-elected, Anna-Stayaway. The person you need to convince is Mark McGowan.

He's so hell-bent on this 'concept' of eradication that he thinks it means exactly that. Eradicate, gone, never-to-be-seen-again. Sadly, that isn't the reality. It is out there. It will get out of hotel quarantine again, we will have ongoing community transmission, no matter how well we try not to. And that's the point I made about EnZed. They had "eliminated" it, but it got back and they can't tell you how. Neither can NSW, nor Qld explain how their recent outbreaks made it out of the hotel quarantine system. But it did - and Mark McGoose did his usual trick of closing the door to stop the boogeyman, nevermind the action NSW and Qld took contained it quickly and effectively. If you have an ongoing caseload of 1:1,000,000 citizens, that's an outstanding effort in the global scheme of things. But that isn't good enough for ol' Mark.

So long as we have asreclowns like that, who think the only way to manage an outbreak interstate is to block all arrivals from that state, then that is more of an issue than the virus itself. Nevermind that WA has testified they can handle a COVID caseload of 5,000 active cases in their state. They don't want any and will stop at nothing to ensure it stays that way, no matter the (financial/emotional/personal) cost!
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:28
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Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 12:30
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Originally Posted by lc_461 View Post
Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
Yes it's unbelievable the way McGowan is behaving, WA is riding on luck that an outbreak hasn't happened, they are doing nothing special and the population is ulatra-lax. Its a time bomb and he may ultimately be the biggest goose ever!
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 19:28
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Originally Posted by lc_461 View Post
Early in the pandemic there was an outbreak in TAS... later VIC, NSW, SA had their turn, then QLD. Only a matter of time for WA/ACT/NT - the challenge will be, particularly for WA - if there is an outbreak, is how their systems will cope. They haven't really been 'stress tested'. The population doesn't appear to be in a pandemic mindset. I would argue there are similar concerns for the NT with a large indigenous population, or ACT with a very small hospital system and very mobile community...
Couldnt agree more,there will be an outbreak there at some stage & apart from declaring a hard border since this all started,he hasnt had to deal with how to control it.
He likes to bleat about how good he is but his success is not based on how he has dealt with community transmission.
Other states have had to battle outbreaks( 1 in particular due to a massive stuff up) but in all cases now & not disputing how there are still rules affecting a lot of our movement around the country,the actions taken have worked.
McGowan hasnt been tested yet as far as a response goes.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 19:42
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McGoose wouldnít be able to handle any case of community transmission he has been able to brainwash all of WA to think how good he has handled this in reality he has done nothing special. Where is the opposition in all of his questioning his border closure etc. itís like itís a one party show in WA
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 21:33
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
Couldnt agree more,there will be an outbreak there at some stage & apart from declaring a hard border since this all started,he hasnt had to deal with how to control it.
He likes to bleat about how good he is but his success is not based on how he has dealt with community transmission.
Please review your facts.
You may not remember but the West Australian voting public does.

31 March 2020

The Department of Health has reported nine new cases of COVID-19 overnight, bringing the State’s total to 364.
All the new cases are from the Perth metropolitan area and all are self-isolating at home.
Four of the confirmed cases are travellers who have returned from overseas and three are close contacts of overseas travellers.
There are currently 54 confirmed COVID-19 patients in Perth metropolitan hospitals, with 12 in ICU.
The number of recovered cases in WA is now 48.
You may not have heard about the above.
It was difficult to hear at that time above Beryl's bleating that it wasn't her fault that the people got off the Ruby Princess and headed straight for the leagues clubs.

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
McGoose wouldnít be able to handle any case of community transmission he has been able to brainwash all of WA to think how good he has handled this in reality he has done nothing special. Where is the opposition in all of his questioning his border closure etc. itís like itís a one party show in WA
They're in the same Covid 'cone of silence' that Albo and the other opposition leaders around the country find themselves in. Whilst the 'leaders' have a daily press conference to announce their latest policy adjustment, the opposition will find it hard to heard unless they offer something significantly different. This in itself comes with the risk of never being able to prove it's likely value but easily denounced by said 'leader' with almost no chance of ever being proved wrong.
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