How good is Alliance!!!!
Originally Posted by Kaboobla
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At least 1/2 of the new e-jets are going to be painted in the Qantaslink livery. This is definitely happening and is a branding requirement by Qf - Cobham and Network do the same
Cobham and Network crews wear the same uniforms as QF mainline. In the companies eyes they are Qantas pilots also - this is often mentioned in internal communications. I personally have no problem with it.
So as per my earlier question to you is will you stand on principal and tell Alliance you will refuse to wear the above uniform because Qantas should not have a say in your work attire ? Or will you, in effect, become the thing you hate the most in this world - a Qantas pilot.
Read the end of George Orwells 1984 if you don't understand what I am talking about.
At least 1/2 of the new e-jets are going to be painted in the Qantaslink livery. This is definitely happening and is a branding requirement by Qf - Cobham and Network do the same
Cobham and Network crews wear the same uniforms as QF mainline. In the companies eyes they are Qantas pilots also - this is often mentioned in internal communications. I personally have no problem with it.
So as per my earlier question to you is will you stand on principal and tell Alliance you will refuse to wear the above uniform because Qantas should not have a say in your work attire ? Or will you, in effect, become the thing you hate the most in this world - a Qantas pilot.
Read the end of George Orwells 1984 if you don't understand what I am talking about.
Ultimately if I am protected by a work agreement, get paid and treated with respect then the rest is just cosmetic as far as I am concerned. When I fly I just want to know the guy sitting next to me is somebody I can tolerate for 4 hours without wanting to slit my own throat and that he is a safe pilot.
As for the rest I don't give 2 hoots as long as it does not affect me and my families income. These companies can run themselves as they see fit.
If I dont like the direction the company is heading in I am free to leave as is everyone else.
At the same time as long as the company sticks to the EBA and does not try to screw the pilot group by getting around said agreement then all is well.
Originally Posted by TinFoilhat2
Nobody said anything bad about QF pilots or denying some deal between Alliance and Qantas to crew E-jets.
Here are a few choice excerpts from your own posts;
I realise the QF skygods are better than all of us mere mortals and it will come as a shock as to why Alliance does not beg them to fly their planes but in this instance they will be at the back of the queue.
I can promise you now, no long haul QF pilot will get a seat over another qualified pilot knowing their intention is to return to Qantas.
However if they stay furloughed/ with the intention of returning to QF once things are back to normal then they should be the absolute last choice. No special favours for them, Alliance owes them nothing!!
Its not to say a QF pilot cannot apply for a job but they will not get special privileges or assistance due to being a QF pilot, that much is clear!!
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
Oh boy, do you have a short memory.
Here are a few choice excerpts from your own posts;
Seems like a fair bit of denial about any deal with Qantas, a desire to see Qantas pilots at the end of the queue and an obligatory “skygod” reference in there too. Perhaps you meant to say that, no one other than you, was saying those things.
Here are a few choice excerpts from your own posts;
Seems like a fair bit of denial about any deal with Qantas, a desire to see Qantas pilots at the end of the queue and an obligatory “skygod” reference in there too. Perhaps you meant to say that, no one other than you, was saying those things.
Yes QF does have some skygods, anyone here will tell you that but I also clearly stated they dont represent the majority and Im sure the majority are hard working decent people. Stop mis-representing what I said.
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
Oh boy, do you have a short memory.
Here are a few choice excerpts from your own posts;
Seems like a fair bit of denial about any deal with Qantas, a desire to see Qantas pilots at the end of the queue and an obligatory “skygod” reference in there too. Perhaps you meant to say that, no one other than you, was saying those things.
Here are a few choice excerpts from your own posts;
Seems like a fair bit of denial about any deal with Qantas, a desire to see Qantas pilots at the end of the queue and an obligatory “skygod” reference in there too. Perhaps you meant to say that, no one other than you, was saying those things.
As for the quote about QF pilots returning when things pick up, that was under the assumption Alliance was paying for all the training before it had been discussed that QF was actually picking up the tab and all associated costs which completely changes the outlook.
But hey, dont let FACTS get in the way of a good story.
Originally Posted by j3pipercub
So no QF driver on stand down gets a seat? How about they resign and then they get a seat? Sounds fair to me.
Originally Posted by Climb150
As someone alluded to in a previous post, Qantas is giving Alliance tens of millions of dollars of work and they own just under 20%. If you have had business experience at all, you would know that this will give Q a very big say (if they want to) in who gets hired. They won't preside over every Interview but if Alliance say they will hire some Qantas folks and 3 months later they haven't hired any, or much fewer than they agreed to Qantas will want to know why.
QF internal people shouldn’t have come out saying x people are getting x jobs, we are paying for this and they are paying for that....I’m aware some are not impressed that was said and it should really be backtracked.
Now if I’m the CP, it’s Type rated first. Qantas International Pilots last, unless they resign. I’d be looking at those Tiger and Virgin boys and girls also. Most likely is how it’s going to play out anyway. You also need to screen for d!ckheads inside the Roo cause plenty there is.
So no QF driver on stand down gets a seat? How about they resign and then they get a seat? Sounds fair to me.
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Plenty of dickheads everywhere. A lot on here, from all airlines.
so far all we know is that it has been communicated to QF that LWOP will be available. Until I see the opposite, then I’ll assume that’s what’s happening. Yes type rated will be first initially. The agreement is for 3, but up to 14. I would t expect to see any LWOP until airframes after 3 are used, and that’s a while off. What you think is right or fair really has no bearing on what the outcome will be. Time will tell.
so far all we know is that it has been communicated to QF that LWOP will be available. Until I see the opposite, then I’ll assume that’s what’s happening. Yes type rated will be first initially. The agreement is for 3, but up to 14. I would t expect to see any LWOP until airframes after 3 are used, and that’s a while off. What you think is right or fair really has no bearing on what the outcome will be. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
What ‘Business Experience’ do you have? They don’t have a controlling stake you fool, they have no say.
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
What ‘Business Experience’ do you have? They don’t have a controlling stake you fool, they have no say. Bit like Qatar owning stakes in all sorts of big players. It’s a shareholding stake only.
QF internal people shouldn’t have come out saying x people are getting x jobs, we are paying for this and they are paying for that....I’m aware some are not impressed that was said and it should really be backtracked.
Now if I’m the CP, it’s Type rated first. Qantas International Pilots last, unless they resign. I’d be looking at those Tiger and Virgin boys and girls also. Most likely is how it’s going to play out anyway. You also need to screen for d!ckheads inside the Roo cause plenty there is.
Bingo.
QF internal people shouldn’t have come out saying x people are getting x jobs, we are paying for this and they are paying for that....I’m aware some are not impressed that was said and it should really be backtracked.
Now if I’m the CP, it’s Type rated first. Qantas International Pilots last, unless they resign. I’d be looking at those Tiger and Virgin boys and girls also. Most likely is how it’s going to play out anyway. You also need to screen for d!ckheads inside the Roo cause plenty there is.
Bingo.
From purely a salary point of view, QF international folk have earned the most money over the last few years so should rightfully be at the back of the queue when taking into account Tiger, VA, Rex etc. They probably have more savings so should bite the bullet this time.
I know this will be turned into TFH2 hates QF and all their pilots...I dont!
Even if QF do pay for all their e-jet training and other costs its still not fair on say a King Air driver or Tigerair pilot who would have stayed with Alliance long term. He will now sit jobless whilst a Qantas pilot has a job to go to in the future and gets a temporary seat at Alliance to pass the time.
Cant blame others for being pissed of with that arrangement!
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Since when does fairness have anything to do with business decisions ?
TFH you will learn pretty soon that Qantas management do not give a rats arse about what’s fair or right.
The issue driving this is with the A380 unlikely to return and no aircraft orders Qantas has 300 or so surplus pilots now. Even after the last redundancies
What Qantas should do is just pay CRS to these guys and girls. Instead it is slow baking people with endless stand downs. It also wants people to voluntarily leave and take jobs elsewhere which is what this whole palava is about.
That’s why they made it a condition of the deal originally for Alliance to get the E Jet work it was going to also have to agree to take surplus QF pilots and cabin crew. As per the CPs email.
You have consistently slagged off Qantas pilots as Skygods. I have to ask you - how many QF pilots do you actually know and how many of them have, in your presence, said and done embarrassing things.
I am betting the answer to both is nil.
TFH you will learn pretty soon that Qantas management do not give a rats arse about what’s fair or right.
The issue driving this is with the A380 unlikely to return and no aircraft orders Qantas has 300 or so surplus pilots now. Even after the last redundancies
What Qantas should do is just pay CRS to these guys and girls. Instead it is slow baking people with endless stand downs. It also wants people to voluntarily leave and take jobs elsewhere which is what this whole palava is about.
That’s why they made it a condition of the deal originally for Alliance to get the E Jet work it was going to also have to agree to take surplus QF pilots and cabin crew. As per the CPs email.
You have consistently slagged off Qantas pilots as Skygods. I have to ask you - how many QF pilots do you actually know and how many of them have, in your presence, said and done embarrassing things.
I am betting the answer to both is nil.
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
From Joyce and gissing yesterday...confirmed opportunities for QF and JQ crew.
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I hope some opportunities for ex VA and Tiger guys & gals too. Unlike QF and JQ international they do not have a position to return to .
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
From Joyce and gissing yesterday...confirmed opportunities for QF and JQ crew.
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