How good is Alliance!!!!

[Daddy Fantastic]

Originally Posted by grrowler

I would suggest the +35yo pilots are less likely to leave (again) when things pick up, compared to the “hungry young pilots” who have not yet dipped their toes in the sandpit, etc.

I see your point however the Sandpit 3 will also call on guys with experience on type throwing money at them when things get good again. It could go either way but I can understand why Alliance may be reluctant to take most if not all of these guys back on.

[novicef]

Hey Daddy
Have you organised your job or promotion yet, heard a senior F100 "checkie" is now in Perth also a F50 "checkie" with another Air Japan ex Alliance F100 captain is in Brisbane. More are coming, you need to keep promoting the idea that these ex Alliance guys should not be employed. Best of luck.

[Johnny_56]

Is their first Jungle jet still coming in October?

[Daddy Fantastic]

Originally Posted by novicef

Hey Daddy
Have you organised your job or promotion yet, heard a senior F100 "checkie" is now in Perth also a F50 "checkie" with another Air Japan ex Alliance F100 captain is in Brisbane. More are coming, you need to keep promoting the idea that these ex Alliance guys should not be employed. Best of luck.

Grow up chump!!! Clearly adult conversation is not your strong suit.

[longlegs]

COVID’s chaos a big opportunity for little airlines

Alliance Aviation has seen opportunity in the COVID crisis to expand its fleet, and will take delivery of its first Embraer 190 jet by the end of October.

ROBYN IRONSIDE

AVIATION WRITER

By smashing Australia’s airline industry to pieces, the COVID crisis has created a unique opportunity for smaller operators to grab valuable market share from Qantas and Virgin.

Both Regional Express and Alliance admit the fleet expansions both airlines are undertaking were not even imagined at the start of 2020, which was to be Qantas’s year — marking the airline’s centenary.

Instead, Qantas has been forced to axe more than 8000 workers, ground dozens of aircraft, many indefinitely, and take on about $3bn more debt to survive the pandemic.

Virgin Australia is also shrinking its fleet and workforce but through the process of administration will at least emerge with fewer financial constraints than its larger rival.

Rex deputy chairman John Sharp said it was as if the COVID crisis had reset the industry and taken it back to square one.

“It’s like we were running a race and Qantas was way out in front and Virgin was some way behind and Alliance and Rex and all the other airlines were well back from there,” Mr Sharp told The Weekend Australian.

“All of a sudden a rope was thrown across the course and tripped up Qantas and tripped up Virgin, tripped up everybody and we all had to go back to the start and do it again.

“It means there’s a fresh start for the industry coming up and anyone could do well in this race.”

To that end, Rex was in the process of finalising finance for six Boeing 737s formerly leased by Virgin Australia to operate on the Golden Triangle routes of Melbourne-Sydney-Brisbane.

The new additions would expand Rex’s fleet to 50 aircraft, with the possibility of another four 737s by the end of 2021.

Similarly Alliance was awaiting delivery of the first of 14 Embraer 190 jets, taking its fleet to 57 aircraft by June 30.

Managing director Scott McMillan said expansion had not been part of Alliance’s plans for 2020, until the pandemic turned the world on its head.

“Our history has been punctuated by opportunistic aircraft purchasing,” Mr McMillan said.

“When we started Alliance we bought our first aircraft post-September 11, when aircraft values got smashed. We bought some more in the middle of the global financial crisis and again in 2015, and we’re doing exactly the same with the Embraer 190s.”

Unlike Rex however, Alliance’s sights were not set on the competitive regular public transport sector.

Mr McMillan said the demand for charter services had skyrocketed during COVID and he was convinced the new customers they had acquired would be permanent.

“A lot of people and a lot of companies have come off scheduled airlines services in the regions and on to charter, and realised how good it is. They’re not going back,” he said.

In a further twist to the market reset, pilots, engineers and cabin crew were returning to the regions where many began their aviation careers.

The Victorian-based owner of Sharp Airlines, Malcolm Sharp, said the halt in the attrition rate had been one of the few silver linings of the pandemic.

“It’s actually steadied the ship for what was probably not sustainable for the regional aviation industry,” Mr Sharp said. “We were forever in a training environment where we were bringing new people on, training them, only to see them move on to the larger airlines.”

Qantas declined to comment but indicated it would protect its market share. On Friday the airline announced it would add Sydney-Merimbula to its network in a blow to Rex, which operates the only service on the route.

Virgin Australia CEO Paul Scurrah has previously said the post-administration airline would likely lose some market share by cutting unprofitable routes. The carrier has already dumped seven destinations.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

“All of a sudden a rope was thrown across the course and tripped up Qantas and tripped up Virgin, tripped up everybody and we all had to go back to the start and do it again.

“It means there’s a fresh start for the industry coming up and anyone could do well in this race.”

Pretty sure Alliance didn't need $52m help to get back to the start line, or even had the need to go all the way back there.

[Zhoottoo]

Has the aircraft pictured arrived in country? I can't find it on the usuals. Looks schmicko. Especially the big titles and Emirates style belly. A fly over of Virgin, Rex and Qantas HQs might be in order for the first flight.....

[VH DSJ]

Originally Posted by Johnny_56

Is their first Jungle jet still coming in October?

Planespotters probably know more! Keep an eye out for Mode S hexcode ACC705 on flightradar24.

https://www.planespotters.net/airfra...ervices/380dol

[smiling monkey]

Originally Posted by Zhoottoo

Has the aircraft pictured arrived in country? I can't find it on the usuals. Looks schmicko. Especially the big titles and Emirates style belly. A fly over of Virgin, Rex and Qantas HQs might be in order for the first flight.....

Doesn't look quite as good as the one in the photo above, at the moment, but I'm sure it'll get repainted soon.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9884149

[novicef]

Hey Daddy just for you. I believe Alliance does have a seniority list in that when a position is available the airline does peruse the list and offer positions in that order but it is not strictly followed.
I see from your previous postings, you for one is not for promotion on seniority but on merit. I would say for people already on the list they would disagree. However the unemployed or dreamers would like to do away with it. Remember a few hours on a CRJ is not considered a lot of experience. Especially where the type rating was bought instead of earned. Also anything under 45 tons is considered light.
Perhaps you should have thought of qualifying for an EU licence first which would have enabled you to obtain a position with a regular airline without having to buy a type rating. However if you felt buying the rating was a quicker way to achieve your goals a 737 or 320 rating would have been of greater benefit, at least both are over 50 tons. Unfortunately only having King Air experience would have made the conversion pretty demanding and in the case of the 320 nearly impossible. You seem to have applied for jobs far and wide, however most airlines like stability, what they don't want is a pilot obtaining a type rating and then leaving for greener pastures. Also, pilots in their mid forty's without genuine command experience raises questions as to their suitability unless they are from a legacy carrier where time to command is slow. Any way best of luck.

[Zhoottoo]

Originally Posted by smiling monkey

Doesn't look quite as good as the one in the photo above, at the moment, but I'm sure it'll get repainted soon.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9884149

Looks like it has. A sneak peek of a tail on their FB account of VH-UYZ - which doesn't appear on the CASA register yet. Uniform Yankee....... UNITY call sign???

[onehitwonder]

[Daddy Fantastic]

Nice, it does look good!

[longlegs]

Now it makes sense. As a wide crusty old 89er told me 1 and 1 always makes 89....




https://www.accc.gov.au/public-regis...iance-airlines

Virgin Australia & Alliance Airlines

Date lodged:
23 October 2020
Status:
Under consideration

Summary

On 23 October 2020 Virgin Australia and Alliance Airlines (the Applicants) applied for authorisation to cooperate in relation to the provision of services on around 40 regional routes and two short-haul international routes (Relevant Routes). Details of the routes are provided in the application which is available from the link below.

The Applicants submit that they are seeking authorisation in order to efficiently manage capacity and quickly respond to changes in demand due to the COVID-19 pandemic, including by:

• Sharing information, including in relation to costs, willingness to operate, capacity, utilisation, anticipated demand and pricing about the Relevant Routes.
• Agreeing capacity, flight schedules, and aircraft type, including whether a carrier will suspend or continue operations, which carrier will operate the Relevant Routes and under what commercial arrangements (e.g. wet lease or codeshare, or a revenue – sharing model).
• Putting in place temporary commercial arrangements that are most suitable for the Relevant Route considering demand and risk profile in the exceptional current market conditions.
• Potentially, entering risk and revenue sharing mechanisms and agreements as to price.

A full copy of the application for authorisation is available below.

The Applicants have also requested interim authorisation to facilitate the immediate planning and coordination of services on the Relevant Routes prior to the ACCC’s final determination in relation to the substantive application for authorisation.

The ACCC invites submissions on the interim authorisation request by 10 November 2020 and on the substantive application for authorisation by 20 November 2020. Further detail on how to make a submission is in the consultation letter below.

Timetable
23 October 2020

Lodgement of application and supporting submission.

27 October 2020

Public consultation process begins.

10 November 2020

Closing date for submissions on interim authorisation.

Week of 16 November

ACCC decision regarding interim authorisation.

20 November 2020

Closing date for submissions from interested parties.

December 2020

Applicant responds to issues raised in the public consultation process.

January/February 2021

Draft determination.

February/March 2021

Public consultation on draft determination including any conference if called.

March 2021

Final determination.

Applicant(s)

• Virgin Australia International Airlines Pty Ltd
• Virgin Australia Airlines (SE Asia) Pty Ltd
• Virgin Australia Regional Airlines Pty Ltd
• Alliance Aviation Services Limited
• Virgin Australia Airlines Pty Ltd
• Alliance Airlines Pty Limited

[VH DSJ]

Looking more likely now that ex Virgin Ejet drivers will get the E190 gig with Alliance.

[Chadzat]

And ATR pilots get completely shafted with Alliance completing the full takeover of all of VA ATR ex-routes.

[galdian]

Originally Posted by VH DSJ

Looking more likely now that ex Virgin Ejet drivers will get the E190 gig with Alliance.

Honest question - why?

I couldn't see anything that indicated there was any imperative that Alliance had to/would of necessity employ ex VA JJ drivers.

It may be Alliance see a great benefit in solely employing ex VA JJ drivers...their choice.
It may be Alliance see a great benefit in employing no ex VA JJ drivers at all...their choice.
It may be Alliance mix and match from the massive pool of experience now available...their choice.

Doubt anyone could argue that for whatever reason Alliance seem to do what they do well, no reason why they shouldn't continue that in recruiting whomever they think will suit their operation best.

Now if there are secret agreements/handshakes going around - now that could be a different matter!
Cheers

[SpyderPig]

That’ll be VARAs number is up too. 10 of their RPT routes in the west are on that list, another 100 odd pilots about to be on the street

[Zinfandel]

Two very experienced ex VA Ejet pilots have already started in senior roles at Alliance. Other ex VA Ejet checkies have also been interviewed.

[VH DSJ]

Originally Posted by galdian

Honest question - why?

I couldn't see anything that indicated there was any imperative that Alliance had to/would of necessity employ ex VA JJ drivers.

They don't need to of course, but considering this,

Originally Posted by Zinfandel

Two very experienced ex VA Ejet pilots have already started in senior roles at Alliance. Other ex VA Ejet checkies have also been interviewed.

and how the industry generally works, you'd think the ex VA Ejet drivers stand a good chance.