How good is Alliance!!!!
Originally Posted by itchy_feet
I believe Darwin spots have been filled and they actually we're calling people who applied in the past with type ratings etc
I heard an interview with the CEO of Alliance on ABC radio in Brisbane last Monday.
You can hear it here from 44:45 into the broadcast. It's worth a listen if you have any interest in Alliance and where he sees their place in the aviation market.
You can hear it here from 44:45 into the broadcast. It's worth a listen if you have any interest in Alliance and where he sees their place in the aviation market.
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Hi,
Does anyone know how many people they have put on? Or how many positions they were looking to fill? Has the damaged sim affected or influenced the hiring in anyway?
Thanks,
Bullitt
Does anyone know how many people they have put on? Or how many positions they were looking to fill? Has the damaged sim affected or influenced the hiring in anyway?
Thanks,
Bullitt
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Originally Posted by cynphil
TFH will not be happy! TR and NTR...
However this is the real world, if AJ and his minions have struck a commercial deal acceptable to Alliance then it's stiff shit.
Only hope the QF pilots will show their gratitude to AJ when called upon to do so.
Originally Posted by galdian
However this is the real world, if AJ and his minions have struck a commercial deal acceptable to Alliance then it's stiff shit.
Only hope the QF pilots will show their gratitude to AJ when called upon to do so.
Only hope the QF pilots will show their gratitude to AJ when called upon to do so.
I may well be wrong, but I would suspect the 'deal' would have been negotiated at a level well below Alan's.
Originally Posted by galdian
Any pilot who's currently not employed has a right to be miffed (at the least) at those who are simply awaiting a return to flying with their current company and so "double dipping" into the limited employment pool in Australia.
”simply awaiting a return to flying” - you mean trying to feed the family and pay their mortgage?
As to feeling miffed? There’s a lot of that going around these days!!
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
It’s not double-dipping - when they move on, a position will be available for the next pilot to fill.
”simply awaiting a return to flying” - you mean trying to feed the family and pay their mortgage?
As to feeling miffed? There’s a lot of that going around these days!!
”simply awaiting a return to flying” - you mean trying to feed the family and pay their mortgage?
As to feeling miffed? There’s a lot of that going around these days!!
I see it as double dipping, you don't - each to their own.
Regardless it's the real world - so stiff shit for some, twas always so. As long as it's not you.
Originally Posted by galdian
Well some of those who DON'T have a position now and DON'T have a guaranteed fallback may not be considered in a couple of years, primarily age but some other factors as well.
I see it as double dipping, you don't - each to their own.
Regardless it's the real world - so stiff shit for some, twas always so. As long as it's not you.
I see it as double dipping, you don't - each to their own.
Regardless it's the real world - so stiff shit for some, twas always so. As long as it's not you.
As you say, different viewpoints.
I don’t think fairness has anything to do with it.
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Sorry Galdian - I don’t follow your logic on this.
As you say, different viewpoints.
I don’t think fairness has anything to do with it.
As you say, different viewpoints.
I don’t think fairness has anything to do with it.
it is once again Qantas, and its political influence, doing deals behind closed doors circumventing normal market forces.
I will ask this. Qantas et al, have received a life line by way of government help (packaged funding), Alliance are actually performing QF flying. Qantas does deal to second crew. Alliance agrees.
Essentially it sounds like Alliance will be getting access to Qantas pilots, funded by the government via QF, to perform flying that would otherwise not attract an ounce of subsidy.
How does any of this sound like a smart idea from a QF pilots point of reference. It is creative and corrupt. No matter how it is viewed. When one is the beneficiary (facilitator) of said scheme, it would logically follow that it could not be wrong. In reality it is ethically reprehensible to support what amounts to corporate bastardry, devoid of ethics.
It is not a crime to put bread on the table. That is a totally different argument to facilitating the mechanism. Choice may be an illusion and denial is not just a River.
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I applied today to Alliance through the QF offer and am looking forward to learning anew aircraft and new operation and gaining experience from the existing Alliance crew should I pass the interview process.
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QF Corporate may find themselves in an interesting legal conundrum in the near future given that they may be attempting to continue to have “stood-down” A380 pilots on zero pay for the next few years, while at the same time they are contracting flying out to Alliance, and also expanding their Network subsidiary.
Whatever “deal” was done with Alliance, (and I have seen no evidence of any deal as such, merely an invitation through internal QF communications that Alliance will consider applications from QF pilots) it could be arse-covering by QF Legal to at least have attempted to offer flying employment to stood-down pilots when/if they are taken to court over it.
Whilst I somewhat see the point that it may seem fairer to offer the jobs to pilots who have actually been made redundant from other airlines, or indeed to offer quicker upgrades to internal Alliance pilots, the pilots stood-down from Qantas are stood-down on the basis that “no useful work is available” for them. Pretty hard to argue no useful work is available when you are contracting work out, and expanding subsidiaries.
Furthermore, this Alliance work would not be available for anyone had QF not contracted Alliance to do it. So, if, in fact, QF had said to Alliance, “hey, we’ve got some work for E-Jets - will you take on some of our crew for a year or two if we give you the contract?”, and Alliance said “sure”, then it is what it is.
Whatever “deal” was done with Alliance, (and I have seen no evidence of any deal as such, merely an invitation through internal QF communications that Alliance will consider applications from QF pilots) it could be arse-covering by QF Legal to at least have attempted to offer flying employment to stood-down pilots when/if they are taken to court over it.
Whilst I somewhat see the point that it may seem fairer to offer the jobs to pilots who have actually been made redundant from other airlines, or indeed to offer quicker upgrades to internal Alliance pilots, the pilots stood-down from Qantas are stood-down on the basis that “no useful work is available” for them. Pretty hard to argue no useful work is available when you are contracting work out, and expanding subsidiaries.
Furthermore, this Alliance work would not be available for anyone had QF not contracted Alliance to do it. So, if, in fact, QF had said to Alliance, “hey, we’ve got some work for E-Jets - will you take on some of our crew for a year or two if we give you the contract?”, and Alliance said “sure”, then it is what it is.
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NSW government has formally advised Alliance Airlines that as the tenderer that narrowly missed out on the NSW RFS contract they are able to assume the contract subject to operational readiness prior to the 2021 fire season.
This follows the the termination of Coulson's services. Apparently the runaway 737 was the final straw.
does anyone know how many litres of water an E190 fire bomber holds?
This follows the the termination of Coulson's services. Apparently the runaway 737 was the final straw.
does anyone know how many litres of water an E190 fire bomber holds?
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Originally Posted by longlegs
NSW government has formally advised Alliance Airlines that as the tenderer that narrowly missed out on the NSW RFS contract they are able to assume the contract subject to operational readiness prior to the 2021 fire season.
This follows the the termination of Coulson's services. Apparently the runaway 737 was the final straw.
does anyone know how many litres of water an E190 fire bomber holds?
This follows the the termination of Coulson's services. Apparently the runaway 737 was the final straw.
does anyone know how many litres of water an E190 fire bomber holds?
Fair chance Coulson will still be operating here,not a lot of options out there.
