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Zhoottoo 25th May 2020 03:35

How good is Alliance!!!!
 
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Quite possibly the only profitable airline in the world during calendar year 2020????

Double_Clutch 25th May 2020 03:55

Riiiight.....
The latest ASX announcement was made on the 20th May!
cool, old news

B772 1st Jun 2020 02:56

Profit before tax of $1M per aircraft. A great result. Shares are up 165% the last 9 weeks. The best performing airline in the world.

Lookleft 1st Jun 2020 04:18

Is that why the ACCC has finally decided to look into the 20% stake that QF holds. Talk about the turtle of bureaucracy acting with lightening speed.

VH DSJ 1st Jun 2020 12:53


Originally Posted by B772 (Post 10798808)
Profit before tax of $1M per aircraft. A great result. Shares are up 165% the last 9 weeks. The best performing airline in the world.

A good result in this climate, but then again, a fair percentage of their flying is FIFO charter work unaffected by the current state and international border closures. I'm sure other FIFO operators also made some decent money these last few months.

neville_nobody 1st Jun 2020 13:00

The shutdown would have benefitted them enormously. Everyone is looking at charter options to move people around. I read that the NRL has gone to a US style pro sport arrangement with teams flying in and out on charters the same day which is only good news for Alliance.

lc_461 1st Jun 2020 22:59


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 10799128)
The shutdown would have benefitted them enormously. Everyone is looking at charter options to move people around. I read that the NRL has gone to a US style pro sport arrangement with teams flying in and out on charters the same day which is only good news for Alliance.

Yes I believe this was presented to the QLD Premier at least as a part of their 'COVIDSAFE' plan to get approval to cross state lines...

B772 2nd Jun 2020 00:09

All Alliance staff except for senior management have received $1,000 worth of company shares as a bonus.

VH DSJ 11th Jun 2020 03:11

Alliance to buy 20 more aircraft. Will they go with the E190 or CRJ900?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...dad29ec87727df




Brisbane-based airline Alliance Aviation has announced plans to raise more than $120m to buy up to 20 more aircraft as demand for fly-in, fly-out services continues to grow.

The airline currently operates an all-Fokker fleet of 50 aircraft but managing director Scot McMillan said with no good F100s left in the market, the company was interested in buying Embraer E190s and Bombardier CRJ900s.

With the foreign exchange rate improving, and second-hand aircraft at a surplus, Mr McMillan was confident of getting a good deal.

VH DSJ 3rd Aug 2020 02:12

It's confirmed on the ASX website. Alliance to get 14 E190 Ejets with options for a further 5 including a flight simulator. Deliveries to begin from September 2020 progressively over 8 months. There won't be any shortage of suitably qualified applicants with plenty of ex Virgin Ejet drivers currently in limbo.

https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202008...3stlf2s0gc.pdf


Roj approved 3rd Aug 2020 02:45


Originally Posted by VH DSJ (Post 10851967)
It's confirmed on the ASX website. Alliance to get 14 E190 Ejets with options for a further 5 including a flight simulator.

https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202008...3stlf2s0gc.pdf

A good choice of aircraft, $5.5million each, super cheap deal. I guess lots of spare airframes sitting around in the US and the rest of the world. Can be upgraded to the -e2 in the future with little or no training cost.

As DSJ says, lots of VA ex E-Jet rated pilots around, even some Air North guys and girls might be interested. Good luck to Alliance, they have proved time and time again that they make smart decisions, which isn't so common in Australian Aviation.

Icarus2001 3rd Aug 2020 03:27

Well done. Great timing. The option to purchase a simulator is useful, non in our region adds significant cost and down time for crews.

galdian 3rd Aug 2020 03:31

Be interesting - when/if Alliance advertise for Flight Deck crew - whether an existing type rating will be a requirement...or maybe just preferred.


ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 3rd Aug 2020 04:04

Just a thought, given that Qantas is a stakeholder in Alliance there could be opportunities for stood down QF group pilots to take LWOP to be negotiated between the two entities. Obviously Virgin pilots make more sense if they have E190 time, but not having time on type didnt stop LWOP to Jetstar on the A320 or Emirates LWOP in the early 2010s.

havick 3rd Aug 2020 04:17


Originally Posted by Roj approved (Post 10851975)
A good choice of aircraft, $5.5million each, super cheap deal. I guess lots of spare airframes sitting around in the US and the rest of the world. Can be upgraded to the -e2 in the future with little or no training cost.

As DSJ says, lots of VA ex E-Jet rated pilots around, even some Air North guys and girls might be interested. Good luck to Alliance, they have proved time and time again that they make smart decisions, which isn't so common in Australian Aviation.

Or they’ll simply type their existing crews and get upto speed with a small amount of initial cadre guys.

Icarus2001 3rd Aug 2020 04:26


Or they’ll simply type their existing crews and get upto speed with a small amount of initial cadre guys.
That is also possible of course. However that doubles the training cost, move a F100 to the E190 and now you have to train an E190 pilot and a F100 pilot to replace them. The ASX release said that the F100 remains "core" and "in service for many years to come". The Embraer is the "growth" machine.

VH DSJ 3rd Aug 2020 05:01


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10852014)
That is also possible of course. However that doubles the training cost, move a F100 to the E190 and now you have to train an E190 pilot and a F100 pilot to replace them. The ASX release said that the F100 remains "core" and "in service for many years to come". The Embraer is the "growth" machine.

Furthermore, would their simulator be ready immediately to start type endorsing pilots on it? If not, then they would have to seek Ejet type rating courses overseas and with the restrictions on travel and quarantining required in some countries, that won't be easy in the current climate. It would be more efficient and quicker to re-qualify already type rated pilots than have pilots transition across form the F100, IMHO. This article suggests that their first E190 revenue flight will be in February 2021, so that would suggest a pretty fast lead up time for the E190 to be operational.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...c0453bf8806b17

havick 3rd Aug 2020 05:47


Originally Posted by VH DSJ (Post 10852027)
Furthermore, would their simulator be ready immediately to start type endorsing pilots on it? If not, then they would have to seek Ejet type rating courses overseas and with the restrictions on travel and quarantining required in some countries, that won't be easy in the current climate. It would be more efficient and quicker to re-qualify already type rated pilots than have pilots transition across form the F100, IMHO. This article suggests that their first E190 revenue flight will be in February 2021, so that would suggest a pretty fast lead up time for the E190 to be operational.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...c0453bf8806b17

All true, but who’s to say they haven’t already typed a bunch of pilots?

Ken Borough 3rd Aug 2020 07:53

Is the fire sale purchase of the Jungle Jets straight from Qantas play book purchase of B737s after 9-11 and the B717s?

ebt 3rd Aug 2020 08:14


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10852002)
Just a thought, given that Qantas is a stakeholder in Alliance there could be opportunities for stood down QF group pilots to take LWOP to be negotiated between the two entities. Obviously Virgin pilots make more sense if they have E190 time, but not having time on type didnt stop LWOP to Jetstar on the A320 or Emirates LWOP in the early 2010s.

Unlikely - QQ's management got blindsided when QF bought in, and I would say that there is a decent chance that the ACCC will force them to sell once their investigation is concluded.


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