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Old 14th May 2018, 08:04
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
I will never understand why some pilots will be upset that others get paid more than themselves. No wonder this industry is in a downward spiral .
Too true! So easy to look at someones previous posts to see their History, and to see if they are actually PP or wannabees with a chip!
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Old 14th May 2018, 08:19
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
(Attributed by Mark Twain to British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli)

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Old 14th May 2018, 08:32
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Mate, do the maths yourself. I’ve provided the numbers so knock your socks off.

I see you’ve decided to start shifting the goal posts and want to start including super. What’s next? You want to throw in allowances as well? Even including super for the A380 Captains (which given most of them were on Div 2 and a hybrid defined benefit system is difficult you’re still out on your numbers to the tune of 20%. Hope you’re not a pilot and ordering fuel and as gullible (and bad with numbers) as you’ve shown yourself to be on PPRUNE.

If you’re serious about ‘reality’ how about you pay attention to those living in it?
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Old 14th May 2018, 08:34
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Why would you do that Mr Deuax ? Because if you do you will divide your salary by two

& as a Capt you would be making twice what an SO makes

In 2011 QF released data that the average A380 Capts salary was 500K , sounds like tough times for the QF A380 four stripers
if you have regressed $200K over a seven year time period.
And as you've been told a number of times, that 500k figure was pure fantasy. Seven years later, and I'm still nowhere near what you are claiming was the average. It was bull**** then, and it is now.
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Old 14th May 2018, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Keg
Mate, do the maths yourself. I’ve provided the numbers so knock your socks off.

I see you’ve decided to start shifting the goal posts and want to start including super. What’s next? You want to throw in allowances as well? Even including super for the A380 Captains (which given most of them were on Div 2 and a hybrid defined benefit system is difficult you’re still out on your numbers to the tune of 20%. Hope you’re not a pilot and ordering fuel and as gullible (and bad with numbers) as you’ve shown yourself to be on PPRUNE.

If you’re serious about ‘reality’ how about you pay attention to those living in it?
His post history re questions about cadet entry to Cathay, Air Hong Kong, US regionals, interspersed with Qantas recruitment
would suggest someone trying to join an Airline but failing at it - possibly because he/she will not listen to reason.
Chip re Qantas pay would suggest he missed out. I have been a pretty senior Captain on the 330 and only topped 300K (including super and allowances) recently due high divisors and more overtime than most. (Telf does not understand most of the terminology, not actually being an Airline pilot.)
Time to stop blaming everone else and get some life experience!
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Old 14th May 2018, 09:19
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But the CEO of QF & Senior Management were quoting $500K as being the average pay of an A380 Capt at that point in time
'Qf & Senior management' lie ALL the time. In almost EVERY communication and press announcement I have read in the last XX years, they have made a habit of not just bending the truth, but outright lies. It's a joke. Met with either instant deletion or outright derision across the board. It's a joke they get away with through Chairman's Lounge soft corruption.

In your cubicle we have to assume you are paid to lie as well. So whilst you are possibly waving the flag as a proud drone, you cannot really be serious.

Nice Doublethink though...
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Old 14th May 2018, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
who is remotely upset just a discussion about numbers what is reality and what is not

seems a few hear get a bit hot under the collar when some one simply posts some data they heard & some that QF themselves stated is true
“Some data they heard” - well, it doesn’t get any more authoritative than that, except for “some that QF themselves stated is true”. Because QF themselves would never say anything remotely untrue. So when you read in 2011 that QF pilots were demanding massages in the first class lounge, plus an extra $200k, yep, that was totally true.

do you ever think the reason for QFs modest performance in International this century might be these numbers ?
You mean the recent record $1bn-plus profits, made under basically the same pilot contracts as before?
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Old 14th May 2018, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Mango


Just wondering what the pay is like for a 737 FO job out of Perth?
Starting at about $150k Year 1 up to about $220k Year 4 (+ allowances + super) depending on how hard you want to work. $10-15k allowances on average, mostly tax free due to increasing number of overnights.

Additionally, the Short Haul bonus has been paid out at around 6-9% of those figures above in the last couple of years and should continue for the next couple.
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Old 14th May 2018, 14:00
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Hear, hear

Telfer86 if you don’t even know the difference between hear and here may I respectfully suggest you finish your schooling and then come back and join the conversation.
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Old 14th May 2018, 15:44
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Red face V-jet.... and with respect....

'Qf & Senior management' lie ALL the time.
While I understand & empathise with what you’re trying to express, I must politely disagree.

Company statements which ‘mislead the market’ etc could be illegal; they are in fact very carefully crafted to be defensible as not lying. But, having said that, it seems patently obvious that QF’s ‘industrially-motivated’ pronouncements have often;
- been only part of the whole truth,
- been very selective in the facts presented,
- been offered as opinions rather than facts,
- been selective in the timeframes they reference,
- been disingenuous in any comparisons made.

Unfortunately, as is the case with big business, advertising & ‘media power’ in Australia at present, it seems very unlikely that a more balanced perspective will make it into the public domain. 😩🤔
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Old 14th May 2018, 19:43
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Say, for example I had used (as a matter of course)

- been only part of the whole truth,
- been very selective in the facts presented,
- been offered as opinions rather than facts,
- been selective in the timeframes they reference,
- been disingenuous in any comparisons made.
with the ATO (or even in a criminal Court) I would likely not be free to comment. And then there are Company emails, which I frequently cannot believe that even the writer could take seriously. The ‘truth bending’ at Qf has become so entrenched and accepted, that it beggars belief. O’Brien (Winston Smiths’ ultimate detractor) would be proud! Another talented character in the same field, one Joseph Geobbels, had a similar approach - in essence, use as little of the truth as necessary. Unfortunately, for a time, that approach does work.

The bad news delivered by the telescreen was that the chocolate ration would be reduced from 30 grams to 20 grams at the start of the following week. Later on in the Ministry of Truth as Winston was correcting information for The Times, it was revealed that the Ministry of Plenty had some time back issued a categorical pledge that there would be no further reduction of chocolate rations during that year. Ironically, one day later, demonstrations were held in praise of Big Brother for increasing the chocolate ration to twenty grams. Winston was stunned at how mindless everyone else seemed to be for forgetting in just a span of twenty four hours that the ration had actually been decreased and not increased.
Pretty much sums up Qf’s expansion program IMHO. And the triumphs of (insert failed JQ entity here).

And one very famous quote from Dr Geobbels himself:
A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth. ... If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. ... Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.
All the misinformation from Qf’s Ministry of Truth simply should not be necessary. The entire basis of Aviation is absolute truth, mess with that and people invariably get hurt. It’s not surprising technical employees of Qf take such ‘information’ with somewhat more than a grain of salt! And it’s just SO unnecessary!
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Old 14th May 2018, 23:07
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Thumbs up V-Jet

All the misinformation from Qf’s Ministry of Truth simply should not be necessary. The entire basis of Aviation is absolute truth, mess with that and people invariably get hurt. It’s not surprising technical employees of Qf take such ‘information’ with somewhat more than a grain of salt! And it’s just SO unnecessary!
With that I am in total agreement!

I have always thought that the extent to which QF management assertions actually had a real & verifiable basis in facts then questions would have been welcomed, and the answers to which c/would have;
a. dispelled the sceptics’ ‘myths’,
b. enhanced employeee understanding of the ‘gameplan’, and
c. brought the now ‘engaged’ staff along as part of the solution.
The fact that no serious questions have been directly answered, or even entertained, speaks volumes. Hmmmm.

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Old 14th May 2018, 23:18
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Ok, some facts.
380 capt's are on $400+, 330 capt's are on $350+, 380 s/o's (the majority) are on $250+, 737 capt's are on $320+ (the people that chase the flying on more obviously), 737 f/o's are on $200+ (chasers more)
I don't know about the 787 people but it should be easy to work out as there is no overtime to be calculated ( so hourly rate times divisor, allowances, plus a few sims, ep's etc)
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Old 14th May 2018, 23:31
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Think you need to check your “facts” a bit more! Some of those figures for the junior ranks are higher than what I have seen, even some of the CP figures.
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Old 15th May 2018, 00:28
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Any useful info on where they are at with external applications? Have people been doing online testing?
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Old 15th May 2018, 01:09
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What?! You're asking about 'Qantas Recruitment?' I think you're in the wrong thread...
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Old 15th May 2018, 02:34
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Originally Posted by Autobrakes4
Ok, some facts.
380 capt's are on $400+, 330 capt's are on $350+, 380 s/o's (the majority) are on $250+, 737 capt's are on $320+ (the people that chase the flying on more obviously), 737 f/o's are on $200+ (chasers more)
I don't know about the 787 people but it should be easy to work out as there is no overtime to be calculated ( so hourly rate times divisor, allowances, plus a few sims, ep's etc)
I’m a 10 year A330 SO. $160000 last year
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:27
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This piece was on the radio last week. Might be some additional QF aircraft coming online for an AFL ‘partnership’ deal:

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/the...r-could-change

3 bigger ‘dedicated’ aircraft for the AFL?





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Old 15th May 2018, 04:38
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Originally Posted by Hatchet Harry
3 bigger ‘dedicated’ aircraft for the AFL.... more A330’s? More aircraft means more pilots needed I assume.
Pretty sure they don’t have any 330s to spare. My money’s on ex-JQ A320s. If so, more pilots for Network.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:49
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Originally Posted by Hatchet Harry
This piece was on the radio last week. Might be some additional QF aircraft coming online for an AFL ‘partnership’ deal:

https://www.triplem.com.au/shows/the...r-could-change

3 bigger ‘dedicated’ aircraft for the AFL.... more A330’s? More aircraft means more pilots needed I assume.

Private terminal? That massive new Melbourne jet base at Tullamarine?



24 AFL rounds per year.
9 games per round.
Having a quick browse of fixtures shows about 5-6 games per round played by teams which would require a flight by one to get to match, so let's say 6.
About 50 players, coaching and support staff per team.
That's a total of only roughly 300 additional passengers for 48 travel days per year (to get there and back), and a few more for the finals.
No way anyone is dedicating any aircraft for that amount of business, let alone 3 A330's. A mining contract will create more passengers in a week than the AFL contract would in a year.
A lot of value to be gained in having the sponsorship rights of the contract, but the transportation of the players? They can put them on regularly scheduled flights.
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