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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:53
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Crikey, it's only the 8th Dec and they're packing up for the year?!?
No wonder you guys wanna work for this mob, sounds like a sweet deal!
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 10:02
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
Crikey, it's only the 8th Dec and they're packing up for the year?!?
No wonder you guys wanna work for this mob, sounds like a sweet deal!
Best time of year to fly, when the office types go home
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 12:30
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Originally Posted by amateur
I did the sim a couple of weeks ago. I didn't get any Christmas email about expecting more info in the new year. I'm guessing that's a no then- Doh!
Originally Posted by Give it the herbs
Anyone completed the sim in the past 2 weeks received a no..??
Originally Posted by thefeatheredone
I haven't heard anything either way since completing the online components.
I wouldn't stress, HR and Talent Acquisition are nothing if not inconsistent.

That being said, getting through the sim successfully and everything else means nothing as a few guys here at link found out. Seemingly rejected for no discernible reason having excelled in every component. Quite a few have already left for greener pastures instead of waiting for mainline recruitment to sort out their incompetence. Waste of good pilots for both Qlink and mainline.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 22:18
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Originally Posted by FogBuster
I wouldn't stress, HR and Talent Acquisition are nothing if not inconsistent.

That being said, getting through the sim successfully and everything else means nothing as a few guys here at link found out. Seemingly rejected for no discernible reason having excelled in every component. Quite a few have already left for greener pastures instead of waiting for mainline recruitment to sort out their incompetence. Waste of good pilots for both Qlink and mainline.
Yup, you're too right. Qlink did my ref checks and after hearing nothing for the better half of a month, the dreadful 'thanks but no thanks' email came though
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 22:31
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FogBuster, a bit bitter are we?

3 posts and nothing but whinging for being cut!
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 22:52
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Seemingly rejected for no discernible reason having excelled in every component.
How do you know those people didn't have skeletons in the closet?
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 23:39
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Does anyone think QF are so capricious as to arbitrarily cull someone who has 'excelled in every component'? Or is it more likely that said candidate didn't excel in every component despite what they may have thought? A helmet fire on the assessment day or in the sim? An issue on the psychometric confirmed during the follow up psych? Maybe presuming that the process was a box ticking exercise?

I don't blame those who didn't make it through seeking other avenues and opportunities. Good luck to them. I hope they succeed and that the QF experience helps them to get through the next application process. For whatever reason, on the day they weren't competitive in the QF process.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 02:56
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You are doing better then me. I only received the same one twice.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 04:17
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Hi Minger,
Contrary to the beliefs of many, I would say QF have adopted worlds best practice with how they go about these things. What you have done to date I believe is purely a benchmark, what happens next is where it counts. As keg has stated, it's definitely not a box ticking exercise. Also, perception can be biased, and not necessarily in alignment with reality.
I have in the past been involved with recruiting at Lufthansa, and I would say QF would be looking at your profile as a whole, not purely your test scores, as how well you have done in the numerical, verbal, and orientation tests could alone be misleading. I would prefer an applicant who scored poorly at home, and subsequently showed an improvement at the assessment centre, than an applicant who scored high and then performs poorly on the day. Psych profiling, the video interview and your application itself can play a big role.
I would say if you were notified by email of what is next, that you would be part of that and still in the running. All the best!
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 04:25
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I had to google 'capricious' - probably a solid indicator of how my verbal test went
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 04:32
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I would say QF have adopted worlds best practice
Do people still use that appalling term? Pretty much without exception, it's been attached to stupid ideas that the faceless ones don't want any discussion of.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 04:38
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It all seems overly complicated now!

You used to turn up for an interview with your logbook, licence and references. If you seemed like a nice guy, could fly a plane and answered a few simple questions, you generally got the job!
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 05:22
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
It all seems overly complicated now!

You used to turn up for an interview with your logbook, licence and references. If you seemed like a nice guy, could fly a plane and answered a few simple questions, you generally got the job!
Then the HR empire got hold of it.

Common sense, exit stage left.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 13:07
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Of those who have attended the Assessment Centre did any of you NOT have a current IPC but were under an overseas check and training organisation? (I.e. must it be strictly a CAR 217 organization?)

And yes I have read the document on the website.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 00:57
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A few 'no' letters have been sent out in the last few days from assessment days that were held about a month ago... anybody receive a 'yes' yet?
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 10:52
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Whenever I hear "worlds best practice" I know that commonsense has been replaced with anything but.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 14:04
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When I hear that they sent earlier applicants a letter that stated "Dear Flight Attendant, please complete a swimming assessment", makes me wonder what cornflakes packet these clowns received their (if lucky a TAFE degree) from!

All back slaps going around on LinkedIn. Well done Qantas HR/recruitment/"talent acquisition". If you go for the job, note that they are only after yes men and more woman to increase it in a bias method above the industry % of around 5% woman with applicants who show no signs of ever challenging a management decision. That is NOT accepting the most talented employees Qantas! Once was "worlds best practice"! Now world's most politically correct and non challenging practice! What is the best method to de-unionise the place, not to recruit people with objections and thought processing that goes beyond management/HR fear factor control methods. It was only red ties!! I cannot believe some of the talent these clowns have sent elsewhere! Merry Christmas!
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 18:32
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Yadot nailed it,

Airline management is focused on cost, labour a big airline cost, Qantas took a quantum leap in fear escalation in 2011 after a manufactured 'terminal decline' to control cost.

Right before the 'magic pudding turnaround' an overdue (long haul) fleet write down engineered an on paper loss (which incidentally serves as a big tax deduction!) Most unions took the bait and signed up for an 18 month pay freeze, whilst management options quietly awarded in 2012 paid off handsomely.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...15-ato-reports

The real benefit is a fearful, acquiescent workforce, an avoid, even adversarial IR posture (as shown in Ryan air and replicated to a large degree at JQ- where Joyce and many JQ senior personal learned the dark arts of IR) and progressively HR dominated processes that reduce the likelihood that employees who are critical thinking and decisive, will be filtered out at recruitment. There is boundless literature out there on IR models and what Qantas does is clearly articulated for the curious.

Sadly, overall this approach increases total factor cost, but in a company devoid of ideas, and a dinosaur Chairman like Clifford (look up his form at Rio Tinto with regard to unions and labour), any wonder this is the result? It is all they know; a continued war on staff.

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Old 20th Dec 2016, 19:46
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Can the same people please stop hijacking every Qantas thread and filling them with negative rhetoric. I'd suggest that the recruitment thread is not the best place for this negativity. Many people are interested to know what is going on so please don't muddy the waters here.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 21:50
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Negative rhetoric? Hijack? I thought the angels were on holiday already?

Let the moderators decide, what is permissible.

The recruiting game has changed at Qantas and other airlines, so attempts to clarify what a candidate will experience, as opposed to those of us with major airline experience encountered when we were recruited. The role of the IR/HR model and its impact on candidate selection are relevant.

Rather than dealing in subjective opinion, candidates might want to read Qantas' submission to the productivity commission, to understand how recruiting fits into their view of employees.

http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/p...-relations.pdf

Over to you moderators!
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