Qantas Recruitment
The NEOs will still fly the trunk capital city routes at peak times but A220s will be a much more common sight.
If your a pilot wanting to try international for a few years then settle on the domestic fleet and have a family your applying to the wrong company by applying for mainline.
Some good points made there. It’ll certainly be interesting to see how it pans out over the next 10 years. New Sydney Airport will change things.
Based on tonnage vs $ (roughly) my understanding is that the A220 pilots at QF will be paid something similar to an A321 QF pilot.
A220 70T Capt on a little over $200K vs A321 101T Capt on $270K.
The 220s will never be operated under the mainline banner.
Based on tonnage vs $ (roughly) my understanding is that the A220 pilots at QF will be paid something similar to an A321 QF pilot.
A220 70T Capt on a little over $200K vs A321 101T Capt on $270K.
The 220s will never be operated under the mainline banner.
It came close in around 2017, I was at a meeting were some very senior managers said that Joyce wanted Group Seniority to address retention of pilots.
That was as far as it it went because guess what, it got shot down by Mainline unions and the company dropped the idea in favour of the current system. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies, simple as that.
I was also at a meeting where the head of AIPA shot down supporting a Jetconnect court case for equal pay to the mainline pilots as it was their position not to support any pilot flying a Qantas Branded Aircraft unless they were employed on the Mainline contract. So you can call me sceptical if you like but I have seen AIPA give the middle finger to group pilots on a number of occasions where there may have been some significant benefits for the group at nil cost to the Mainline Award.
That was as far as it it went because guess what, it got shot down by Mainline unions and the company dropped the idea in favour of the current system. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies, simple as that.
I was also at a meeting where the head of AIPA shot down supporting a Jetconnect court case for equal pay to the mainline pilots as it was their position not to support any pilot flying a Qantas Branded Aircraft unless they were employed on the Mainline contract. So you can call me sceptical if you like but I have seen AIPA give the middle finger to group pilots on a number of occasions where there may have been some significant benefits for the group at nil cost to the Mainline Award.
Regarding a Group seniority list:
- I was on the AIPA committee in 2017 and a Group Opportunity List had long been our stated desire.
- Why would Mainline shoot it down, it doesn’t effect anyone at Mainline negatively so why would they care.
- And finally, as if Joyce gives a sh1t what we wanted. If the CEO wanted a Group list then there would be a Group list today. The bloke locked us out and stood us down, our feelings don’t factor much in his decision making.
As for AIPA not supporting a court case to get Jet Connect equal pay to mainline…. IT WAS AIPA’s COURT CASE!
Do some basic research, AIPA took Qantas to court to get JetConnect covered by Australia industrial law. Ie. put their pilots on the SH EA. It went to the full bench of the FWC and we narrowly lost 2-1. So your assertion is patently absurd.
AIPA Vs Qantas/JetConnect article
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It came close in around 2017, I was at a meeting were some very senior managers said that Joyce wanted Group Seniority to address retention of pilots. The proposal was a Group List where you are ranked on your date of joining, whenever ANY entity needed to recruit then the positions would be advertised internally and allocated via the Group Seniority number.
Group seniority will, on the whole, advantage mainline pilots the most, as they have the longest time in the group.
How a group list should be structured
1) Mainline pilots as per their seniority
then,
2) Everyone else in order of date of join
there have been too many people left behind and jaded after being deemed “too valuable” to release whilst they see more junior colleagues allowed to progress their career.
it has cost myself and many others years of seniority and a multitude of 100’s of thousands. Something needs to change not for myself but for sake of future pilots coming through the system.
For a Group list that allowed promotional transfers between entities, you can have an arrangement like DashTrash outlined. On the day it starts all pilots at each entity have priority for promotion within their entity. Everyone hired from then on is on a Group wide DOJ seniority list. Still no disadvantage to current pilots at any entity.
It won’t happen though, as Qantas hate paying for pilots to transfer between aircraft. Tens of thousand of dollars in training costs and months of no or limited productivity. See how they just doubled mainline training freeze periods. Siloed pilot groups on single aircraft types saves money and they don’t care if we like it or not.
It won’t happen though, as Qantas hate paying for pilots to transfer between aircraft. Tens of thousand of dollars in training costs and months of no or limited productivity. See how they just doubled mainline training freeze periods. Siloed pilot groups on single aircraft types saves money and they don’t care if we like it or not.
It won’t happen though, as Qantas hate paying for pilots to transfer between aircraft. Tens of thousand of dollars in training costs and months of no or limited productivity. See how they just doubled mainline training freeze periods. Siloed pilot groups on single aircraft types saves money and they don’t care if we like it or not.
Forgive my ignorance, but is there anything actually stopping them from removing the 'link' from the network 320s or the upcoming NJS 220s and running them as 'Qantas' branded?
There’s 717s and E190s running around with business class seats on capital city routes with the word ‘Link’ on the side, so not much difference anymore.
No, they could take paint over the ‘Link’ on a Dash 8 if they wanted to, or a JQ aircraft, or even an EFA one. They already have in a way with Jetconnect.
There’s 717s and E190s running around with business class seats on capital city routes with the word ‘Link’ on the side, so not much difference anymore.
There’s 717s and E190s running around with business class seats on capital city routes with the word ‘Link’ on the side, so not much difference anymore.
I can already hear the excited network pilots over the possibility of entirely stealing the mainline RPT network out west for half the wage. Wooh, let’s fly a hand me down airbus for $120k as an FO.
Fun fact, the cleaners they fly out to the mines who go out to scrub toilet bowls at mine sites literally get paid more than Network FOs. And before any of you pipe up — go enquire about it on your next day-stay.
Fun fact, the cleaners they fly out to the mines who go out to scrub toilet bowls at mine sites literally get paid more than Network FOs. And before any of you pipe up — go enquire about it on your next day-stay.