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Depends the nature of the weather. If it is removing an operational requiremnt ( ie holding fuel or alternate), it ceases 30 min after the end of its time frame ( ie if the bad weather stopped at 0200, the requirement is there until 0230).
If it is creating an operational requirement ( ie the weather was good but will soon turn to shit), the requirement comes in 30 min before its forecast time. For example if there was a FM 0200 of bad weather below alternate minima, the requirement is applicable and must be accounted for from 0130.
However, consider an example when the weather was below alternate minima and your ETA at the AD is 0210z, however a FM period from 0200z lifted the weather above the alternate minima. Since it is removing an operational requirement, the buffer period pushes this requirement out until 0230z. However, you dont need to plan an alternate even though weather is below minima, you just need holding fuel until the requirement is removed, ie 20 min.
If it is creating an operational requirement ( ie the weather was good but will soon turn to shit), the requirement comes in 30 min before its forecast time. For example if there was a FM 0200 of bad weather below alternate minima, the requirement is applicable and must be accounted for from 0130.
However, consider an example when the weather was below alternate minima and your ETA at the AD is 0210z, however a FM period from 0200z lifted the weather above the alternate minima. Since it is removing an operational requirement, the buffer period pushes this requirement out until 0230z. However, you dont need to plan an alternate even though weather is below minima, you just need holding fuel until the requirement is removed, ie 20 min.
Depends the nature of the weather. If it is removing an operational requiremnt ( ie holding fuel or alternate), it ceases 30 min after the end of its time frame ( ie if the bad weather stopped at 0200, the requirement is there until 0230).
If it is creating an operational requirement ( ie the weather was good but will soon turn to shit), the requirement comes in 30 min before its forecast time. For example if there was a FM 0200 of bad weather below alternate minima, the requirement is applicable and must be accounted for from 0130.
However, consider an example when the weather was below alternate minima and your ETA at the AD is 0210z, however a FM period from 0200z lifted the weather above the alternate minima. Since it is removing an operational requirement, the buffer period pushes this requirement out until 0230z. However, you dont need to plan an alternate even though weather is below minima, you just need holding fuel until the requirement is removed, ie 20 min.
If it is creating an operational requirement ( ie the weather was good but will soon turn to shit), the requirement comes in 30 min before its forecast time. For example if there was a FM 0200 of bad weather below alternate minima, the requirement is applicable and must be accounted for from 0130.
However, consider an example when the weather was below alternate minima and your ETA at the AD is 0210z, however a FM period from 0200z lifted the weather above the alternate minima. Since it is removing an operational requirement, the buffer period pushes this requirement out until 0230z. However, you dont need to plan an alternate even though weather is below minima, you just need holding fuel until the requirement is removed, ie 20 min.
Also so the same FM in a TAF3, how does this work? My reading says that the eta buffer is -30 and +60 and if the taf3 has no wx in this period then no alt required?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks. So yes it looks like weather buffers are now 30/30. I thought they used to be 60/60? So if your eta is 1200 and FM 1245 creates an op requirement then we don’t need to take this into account.
Also so the same FM in a TAF3, how does this work? My reading says that the eta buffer is -30 and +60 and if the taf3 has no wx in this period then no alt required?
Thanks in advance.
Also so the same FM in a TAF3, how does this work? My reading says that the eta buffer is -30 and +60 and if the taf3 has no wx in this period then no alt required?
Thanks in advance.
The reference material for TAF3 is ENR 1.1-73.
Basically if the AD has a TAF3 the first 3 hours of the TAF are treated differently. Any PROB forecast of visibility reductions below the alternate minimima or the PROB presence of TS doesnt require holding or ALT fuel ( however there normal presence absent of any PROB still requires alternate/holding). Additionally the 30 min buffers for FM BCMG are not applicable. So if there is a FM02z of bad weather and your ETA is 0159z, you legally dont require holding/alternate ( if you are still in the first 3 hours of the TAF3 validity)
Yes if your ETA was 1200 and the FM was from 1245 it would be no factor,
The reference material for TAF3 is ENR 1.1-73.
Basically if the AD has a TAF3 the first 3 hours of the TAF are treated differently. Any PROB forecast of visibility reductions below the alternate minimima or the PROB presence of TS doesnt require holding or ALT fuel ( however there normal presence absent of any PROB still requires alternate/holding). Additionally the 30 min buffers for FM BCMG are not applicable. So if there is a FM02z of bad weather and your ETA is 0159z, you legally dont require holding/alternate ( if you are still in the first 3 hours of the TAF3 validity)
The reference material for TAF3 is ENR 1.1-73.
Basically if the AD has a TAF3 the first 3 hours of the TAF are treated differently. Any PROB forecast of visibility reductions below the alternate minimima or the PROB presence of TS doesnt require holding or ALT fuel ( however there normal presence absent of any PROB still requires alternate/holding). Additionally the 30 min buffers for FM BCMG are not applicable. So if there is a FM02z of bad weather and your ETA is 0159z, you legally dont require holding/alternate ( if you are still in the first 3 hours of the TAF3 validity)
Thoughts?
ok great. And the last thing confusing me is from p121 MOS section 4.05. It says the estimated time of use of a destination is eta +\- 30 mins. So back to my original example, my eta is 1200, then the time of use is 1130-1230. So then I think a FM at 1245 would apply, it would have to be 1301 to not apply?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
thanks
Qantas recruiter reading this will know everyone knows their TAF3 requirements. What fuel would you carry if your arriving 5 mins after alternate requirement is lifted at planning stage ?
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I've got a question about alternates...
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Whilst I'm here though, anyone know what bases are likely? I'm assuming 330s will be the prime type in the immediate future?
Oh oops...wrong page...disregard.
Whilst I'm here though, anyone know what bases are likely? I'm assuming 330s will be the prime type in the immediate future?
330 only has Syd and Bne as SO bases. Traditionally everyone has been hired into Sydney then bidded to transfer to Brissy. But just prior to the US flying, all Sydney SO’s that wanted Brissy got it.
So I guess in the foreseeable future it will just depend on what base needs numbers and if anyone is bidding for the other. Sydney would be most likely, at a guess, due to the larger amount of flying (and new destinations coming) and possibility of Brisbane losing flying.
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Last I heard approximately 80% going to 330 due to 787 training pipeline being a little full.
330 only has Syd and Bne as SO bases. Traditionally everyone has been hired into Sydney then bidded to transfer to Brissy. But just prior to the US flying, all Sydney SO’s that wanted Brissy got it.
So I guess in the foreseeable future it will just depend on what base needs numbers and if anyone is bidding for the other. Sydney would be most likely, at a guess, due to the larger amount of flying (and new destinations coming) and possibility of Brisbane losing flying.
330 only has Syd and Bne as SO bases. Traditionally everyone has been hired into Sydney then bidded to transfer to Brissy. But just prior to the US flying, all Sydney SO’s that wanted Brissy got it.
So I guess in the foreseeable future it will just depend on what base needs numbers and if anyone is bidding for the other. Sydney would be most likely, at a guess, due to the larger amount of flying (and new destinations coming) and possibility of Brisbane losing flying.
