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Old 7th Aug 2018, 21:31
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From the figures I’ve been told for the US, AUD to AUD comparison, its about double, at a minimum 1.5 but that’s for the guys here not working much.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 09:13
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LEFT270 do you mean its double in Oz or double in USA ?
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 04:00
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Double in Oz.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 20:26
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Originally Posted by Left 270
Double in Oz.
not so anymore.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Left 270
Double in Oz.
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 21:54
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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...gional/skywest

These figures above support what I’ve been told from my mates there. Obviously other airlines might be paying better.

On the above link, a year 2 FO on the E175 would be on approx 50k usd which is about 68k AUD. I stand by my previous comments.
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Originally Posted by Left 270
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...gional/skywest

These figures above support what Iíve been told from my mates there. Obviously other airlines might be paying better.

On the above link, a year 2 FO on the E175 would be on approx 50k usd which is about 68k AUD. I stand by my previous comments.
Your ďmates thereĒ. Lol. I donít have the time, nor the inclination to teach you what you donít know. Itís all been said before - By Australians that actually live and work in the U.S. On this website.

Letís for a moment imagine that youíre correct. Double $68K is $136K. A 2nd year Q link FO is making that ? ďDoubleĒ as you said. No, you canít add Super, and meal allowances, and whatever other scraps that you need to make your case. You can include their profit sharing, or there sign on Bonus, or the the fact that the upgrade is in the second year. Or the effective tax rate thatís half of the Australian rate. No ? Thought so.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:19
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Not sure what your suggesting from the first paragraph, but yes my mates, maybe you’re not familiar with the concept?

As as for the second paragraph, every assumption there is incorrect.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:30
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Havick, wages in OZ are higher than in the US for most jobs. Houses and cost of living is much higher here. A Security guard earns 25 an hour, Cleaner 23 an hour, Retail 22 an hour, U.S hourly rates for those jobs are well under, about 15 an hour and lower.
A multi engine flight instructor earns 70 to 80k, U.S is 48k.
A dash 8 Captain is on 100 to 150k.
A saab 340 Captain is on 95 to 130k.
A regional jet Captain for your company is averaging 81 to 85k a year with the bonus, figures are on the Envoy ads " lets talk about pay" and your company is a wholly owned subsidary of AA others aren't.
Im travelling around Europe and spoken to many Americans and they all agree, that a person will struggle to live on an income of 40 to 45k a year there, and thats a first officer pay on a regional.
Youre quoting a figure of 130k a year because you're flying 100 hours a month.
Anyone thats wants to go to the U.S should go, but they shouldnt go there and worry about money and live in poverty, counting how many bucks are left each month.
 
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Well I'm going for the experience, I certainly won't be getting rich. Where in Oz will I ever need deicing? I will never get exposure to airports like Chicago and Newark bashing around in a Saab in Oz.

If you think it's a way to a green card or a RHS at UPS you should forget it.

Regional FO pay is adequate if you don't have 2 kids and want to live in Manhatten.
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Originally Posted by Seagull201
Havick, wages in OZ are higher than in the US for most jobs. Houses and cost of living is much higher here. A Security guard earns 25 an hour, Cleaner 23 an hour, Retail 22 an hour, U.S hourly rates for those jobs are well under, about 15 an hour and lower.
A multi engine flight instructor earns 70 to 80k, U.S is 48k.
A dash 8 Captain is on 100 to 150k.
A saab 340 Captain is on 95 to 130k.
A regional jet Captain for your company is averaging 81 to 85k a year with the bonus, figures are on the Envoy ads " lets talk about pay" and your company is a wholly owned subsidary of AA others aren't.
Im travelling around Europe and spoken to many Americans and they all agree, that a person will struggle to live on an income of 40 to 45k a year there, and thats a first officer pay on a regional.
Youre quoting a figure of 130k a year because you're flying 100 hours a month.
Anyone thats wants to go to the U.S should go, but they shouldnt go there and worry about money and live in poverty, counting how many bucks are left each month.
im sorry but your friends at skywest who bank only min guarantee are either chumps, or ride the short bus to work. They obviously donít know how to leverage the soft pay on offer here.

im making reasonable money as a regional captain while I wait for my flow to mainline mid 2021.

Today as just one example I flew what was originally a 5.8 hour sequence out of LGA in NY, but got paid 20.3 hours. Iím averaging 140-150 credit hours each month at CA rates. That doesnít include quarterly retention bonuses, performance bonuses and also the 1-2 5k referral bonuses Iím cashing in each month from helicopter pilots making the switch.

the guys who want to make money, easily double their base salary without breaking a sweat (not including any bonuses). Those who choose not to itís really their choice.

the system isnt perfect here but I definitely have a much better quality of life here in the US than I would flying the same role in Aus.

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Originally Posted by Seagull201
Havick, wages in OZ are higher than in the US for most jobs. Houses and cost of living is much higher here.
Anyone thats wants to go to the U.S should go, but they shouldnt go there and worry about money and live in poverty, counting how many bucks are left each month.
Sg201,

People need to keep the purpose of making the jump to a US regional in perspective: a steppingstone. That's the same for US citizens. The airlines know it; applicants know it. No need to pretend otherwise. Whether it could be a career destination is another subject and wholly dependent on individual circumstances, airline involved...and kismet.

Any inference that Aussies would've done better staying home would need to be substantiated by proof that the same group would've ultimately been successful by doing so. I see no way to prove that but from the comments I see, it's a big hypothetical...maybe even not true for the vast majority of those coming here. Not picking a fight...just opining.

And havick is spot on about how one earns money in a contract-structured airline environment. The subject is highly complex with details varying some from one airline to another. But, one very likely earns more than just hours flown X hourly pay rate.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 16:52
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It's easy to look at the guaranteed hours per month and then multiply it by first year wages . In reality that's not how it works. We get paid more than that because we usually fly more.

Irrespective of if the pay is on par with Australia or not, I can tell you conclusively that FO first year pay is more than enough to survive.

It's also a great way to jump the ladder. Single engine time in aus to a jet in the USA and upgrading not long after .
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 17:37
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Well said by ALL during the last 4 posts.
The U.S will always represent greater aviation job opportunities than in OZ.

Persons wanting to fly in the U.S from OZ, can work out the finances themselves.

The biggest challenge for anyone from OZ, wanting to fly in the U.S , will be convincing the person at the Consulate, to give them an E3.

Wishing everyone well and hope people can continue contributing their experiences in getting an E3 and sharing their flying experiences in the U.S.
 
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Greetings all,

Iím sure this has probably been covered already but does the E3 Visa contribute in any way toward an application for permanent residence as in a green card or citizenship? In the event that ones US employer doesnít require your services after two terms totaling four years is that it? You have to pack up and head on home?

Thanks in advance.....
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Originally Posted by Left 270
Not sure what your suggesting from the first paragraph, but yes my mates, maybe youíre not familiar with the concept?

As as for the second paragraph, every assumption there is incorrect.
Originally Posted by Seagull 201
Havick, wages in OZ are higher than in the US for most jobs. Houses and cost of living is much higher here. A Security guard earns 25 an hour, Cleaner 23 an hour, Retail 22 an hour, U.S hourly rates for those jobs are well under, about 15 an hour and lower.
A multi engine flight instructor earns 70 to 80k, U.S is 48k.
A dash 8 Captain is on 100 to 150k.
A saab 340 Captain is on 95 to 130k.
A regional jet Captain for your company is averaging 81 to 85k a year with the bonus, figures are on the Envoy ads " lets talk about pay" and your company is a wholly owned subsidary of AA others aren't.
Im travelling around Europe and spoken to many Americans and they all agree, that a person will struggle to live on an income of 40 to 45k a year there, and thats a first officer pay on a regional.
Youre quoting a figure of 130k a year because you're flying 100 hours a month.
Anyone thats wants to go to the U.S should go, but they shouldnt go there and worry about money and live in poverty, counting how many bucks are left each month.
Neither of you have lived and worked in the U.S. I suspect that niether of you have ever worked for an airline. None of which would matter one iota. Except for the fact that youíve being told that youíre incorrect by multiple Australians who have. It wouldnít matter in the grand scheme of things, but youíre giving bad information based on junk (Eagles website. Seriously dude ?).

Seagul 201 - youíre telling Australians about Australia. WTF ? Are you a pilot at an airline ? Have you been to the U.S. Serious questions. Do you understand the difference between flying 100 hours a month, and being paid for it ?

Left 270 - Same questions. Have you ever left Oz for longer than 2 weeks. Or at all ? Fly for an airline ? Understand how pay works at an airline across differing EBAs ?
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JPJP, okay you flew in the U.S., so what, i can find you multiple videos of pilots thst have joined the regionals in the U.S and they ALL say, first officer pay is LOW.

The pay rates are available to any person to see and make their own conclusions.
Im talking about the First Officer pay rates during the first 2 years.
The pay is LOW.

Tell me JP, what does an F/O at Skywrst earn per month, take home?
Is that enough to rent a unit, drive a car, groceries, pay bills, eat out, gymn fees, go out?
I dont think so.
But i understand thats the job and thats what it pays.

If things are so good in the U.S, then why didnt you stay there?
Why return to OZ?
 
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Originally Posted by Seagull201
JPJP, okay you flew in the U.S., so what, i can find you multiple videos of pilots thst have joined the regionals in the U.S and they ALL say, first officer pay is LOW.

The pay rates are available to any person to see and make their own conclusions.
Im talking about the First Officer pay rates during the first 2 years.
The pay is LOW.

Tell me JP, what does an F/O at Skywrst earn per month, take home?
Is that enough to rent a unit, drive a car, groceries, pay bills, eat out, gymn fees, go out?
I dont think so.
But i understand thats the job and thats what it pays.

If things are so good in the U.S, then why didnt you stay there?
Why return to OZ?
You saw some videos, read some websites, now youíre an expert on all things US.
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Originally Posted by Seagull201
JPJP, okay you flew in the U.S., so what, i can find you multiple videos of pilots thst have joined the regionals in the U.S

If things are so good in the U.S, then why didnt you stay there?
Why return to OZ?
FFS videos ?

I'm still here. I’ve been in the left seat for the last 13 years. I’m at one of the 4 largest airlines in the US. That should at least establish that I know enough to talk about the subject. Tell us a little bit about yourself. You didn’t answer any of the questions.



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Jp, trying to discredit someone else’s statement doesn’t actually strengthen your own but ill answer.Yes, yes and yes. I’m not sure what’s got under your nose I suggest you re read my initial post, or have a bex or something. Someone asked what the wages were compared to Oz, I answered it based on what I know, which I based on people I know who work there. Can you tell me how you get on the ground information for Airlines you don’t work for if it’s not to ask people would who work there what they’re actually getting? Been a skipper at a US Airline for 13 years but seem to know better than I do what the guys in Oz are getting?
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