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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 09:12
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Anyone has gone through E3 Visa process recently would please share some information about current situation. I keep getting different information about wether the degree/work experience is required and strictly assessed. Is anyone having issues about this during visa interview?

I have a 4 year bachelor’s degree and a 2 year master’s degree in mechanical engineering, with 4.5 aviation work experience, met all ATP requirements. What are the chances that I can get the E3 Visa? I know the requirement is aviation degree but is mechanical engineering considered as relevant field or at least can be credited for 1 or 2 years of that 4 year degree requirement?

Any comments are appreciated!
You should have no problems. I know of a few recent people going through the process with bare ATP mins and no degree and got the E3 visa no problems.

I would see if Spirit will take E3’s, they recently bumped up their pay rates significantly and you’re flying an Airbus.

Otherwise if you want quick hours then Skywest is the way to go.

Also rumors abound that AA mainline will allow Aussies on E3 to flow through, yet to be tested though as no E3 Aussies are at the seniority at Piedmont to flow to mainline AA.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:00
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I would see if Spirit will take E3’s, they recently bumped up their pay rates significantly and you’re flying an Airbus.
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Have you heard some scuttlebutt about Spirit and E3s ? I wouldn't think they have the same recruiting issues the regionals do.

Spirit's F/O job post (dated March 22nd) just mentions the standard " Legal right to work in the United States." which we know from the regional world doesn't mean they aren't taking E3s.

An LCC taking E3s would be somewhat of a seismic shift in events.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 13:21
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havick,

Have you heard some scuttlebutt about Spirit and E3s ? I wouldn't think they have the same recruiting issues the regionals do.

Spirit's F/O job post (dated March 22nd) just mentions the standard " Legal right to work in the United States." which we know from the regional world doesn't mean they aren't taking E3s.

An LCC taking E3s would be somewhat of a seismic shift in events.
Just putting it out there, is worth an E3 person asking. Fits spirits profile of locking guys in that can’t really move on to legacy
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:23
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Just putting it out there, is worth an E3 person asking. Fits spirits profile of locking guys in that can’t really move on to legacy
havick,

True enough. Can't hurt to ask 'em.

I know that in the past Spirit has been sensitive to guys just "passing through".

As for that, Frontier and some of the ACMI carriers might be in the same boat.

When/if the first among them starts taking E3s, we'll probably hear about it.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 18:01
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Just received an email from ExpressJet, the recruiter told me their E3 program is currently on hold, anyone has any inside information about this? Cheers!
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 18:07
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Just received an email from ExpressJet, the recruiter told me their E3 program is currently on hold, anyone has any inside information about this? Cheers!
Expressjet is likely to fold in the near future.

Goto Skywest or Piedmont if you want solid opportunities. It’s very possible that AA will honor the flow through agreement from piedmont to mainline AA on the E3.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 19:06
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Originally Posted by havick
Expressjet is likely to fold in the near future.

Goto Skywest or Piedmont if you want solid opportunities. It’s very possible that AA will honor the flow through agreement from piedmont to mainline AA on the E3.
I’d be very surprised. I’ve heard of some backlash from at least ALPA (I know not AA union) on the E3 visa. Crazier things have happened.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 19:42
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ
I’ve heard of some backlash from at least ALPA (I know not AA union) on the E3 visa.
DUX,

I would've expected to see ALPA comment on the E3 programs at the regionals but haven't seen anything from them.

Can you show what you've seen about this from the unions here ?
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I can see the conversation with the union rep,

"Those aussies are taking our jobs".

"We can't even run a new hire class now so who's job are they taking?".

"Mine, they're taking my job!".

"Sigh" from company represtative.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 19:59
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Originally Posted by pilotchute
I can see the conversation with the union rep,

"Those aussies are taking our jobs".
Yep, that's what I expected to hear but haven't.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 20:49
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Envoy don't take e3s because of unions so I have heard. So unions are prob the reason behind it.

Not sure how canning the e3 will help thier cause.

On another note, I hear the RTPs are getting a lot of applicants.... Perhaps express jet doesn't need any e3s.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 21:11
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ
I’d be very surprised. I’ve heard of some backlash from at least ALPA (I know not AA union) on the E3 visa. Crazier things have happened.
I’m on a green card at Envoy so moot point, however a buddy of mine at Piedmont has spoken with the union about him flowing over and they may put a stop to it down the track but for now they can’t stop him flowing as it’s in the contract.

AA mainline recruiter also has no problems with E3’s flowing over (she was the manager recruiting at Piedmont that hired the Aussies on E3’s before she moved to mainline AA as manager of pilot recruiting) . Unless they change the contract to preclude it anyone who joins Piedmont may be in luck.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 00:18
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They took our jobs!

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Originally Posted by havick
Still not technically correct. The E3 visa holder has to transfer to a H1B visa and then be sponsored that way. Do you know of any specific examples of a pilot working for a regional in the US on an E3 successfully gaining a green card this way?

If regionals are switching E3 visa holders over to H1B’s then that’s s game changer for Aussies.

http:e3visa.com/e3-visa-transfer/
Yes me, so it is technically correct.

I was on E3 and now have a green card through my company. There is nothing stopping a company sponsoring a green card regardless of what you may have read.

The green card is not linked to the E3, it is just a sponsorship and any company can sponsor a green card if they see fit. You dont have to have an H1B first or marry a US citizen, believe me, I know because I did it.

You could be sitting in Aus right now and get a job offer from a US company. Instead of a visa they can go straight to green card if they chose too.

You can only start working once you have it though and of course must meet all the educational and technical requirements for the job.
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Envoy don't take e3s because of unions so I have heard. So unions are prob the reason behind it.

Not sure how canning the e3 will help thier cause.

On another note, I hear the RTPs are getting a lot of applicants.... Perhaps express jet doesn't need any e3s.
Well the very existence of the e3 provides an avenue for the maintenance of sub standard working conditions at the regional level. There is no shortage of pilots in the US, just those willing to work for substandard conditions (take away the hiring bonuses and it’s still ****ty hrly rates). If I worked at one of these companies I’d be opposed to it too..
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 11:10
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Happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but I have been spending a lot of time researching this and I am seeing some mixing up of terms.

The E3 is of a non-immigrant type, (read a -Temporary- Visa) and is only valid for something like 2yrs, which of course you can then renew. As such you get a Work Permit or called a Employment Authorization Document (EAD) which allows you to work. Think of it as a temporary permit that shows your "status" i.e. can you legally work.

The Green card’s main function is identifying its holder as a lawful permanent or conditional resident of the United States. If you have resident status then this implies you can legally work there.

A Visa allows you into the country for a specific reason, and with varied restrictions e.g. time, can/cannot work. Depending on the Visa this then allows a specific Status or EAD.

Depending on what criteria you meet for what visa, and what sponsorship you get dictates what you can apply for. I think people here are mixing up what the heck visa they or their 'friends' are getting. Personally I have the possibility of marrying my US girlfriend, but even that is no good because it looks like it takes nearly a year to get the K1 visa to enter US to do it. If I marry on a tourist visa I am up for Fraud.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 11:18
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So essentially like an Aussie 457 VISA.....
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 11:31
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So essentially like an Aussie 457 VISA.....


If a C152 is essentially like a B787 then yes!


The now obsolete 457 had a path to Permanent Resident and on to Citizen.

So a lot more like a B787 than the C152 as far as visas go.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 13:10
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So essentially like an Aussie 457 VISA.....
No not the case, a 457 Visa in Australia automatically gave you the ability to apply for residency and then citizenship. The E3 in the US does not, it is simply a work visa and doesn’t have any built in automatic milestones and ability to apply for residency/citizenship.

The only way to get a green card from an E3 is either to marry a US citizen or have a company sponsor you. For a company to sponsor you they have to jump through a lot of hoops and expense. It’s not impossible to get a company to sponsor you but it’s not as easy to find one that will as the poster above suggests.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 14:55
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Duxnutz,

I could have agreed with you 2 years ago when regional pay was $20 an hour but some regionals pay nearly $50 an hour now. If they don't they will soon.

I'm pretty sure all the pilots that would have come out of the woodwork have already appeared.

The major Airlines in the USA are literally stripping hundreds of pilots a month from the regionals. FedEx and UPS are also hiring like crazy.

There are less than 100 pilots in the USA on E3 visas so if you think that will make a difference to terms and conditions then you need to rethink your views.
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