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Old 29th Apr 2023, 05:49
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Nothing better than seeing a fleet of aircraft parked up due to crew shortages. Especially F100s and A320s! Well done Alan, you deserve this, this is all for you!
Quite a few turbo props also parked up around the country as well for exactly the same reason.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 05:50
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Quite a few turbo props also parked up around the country as well for exactly the same reason.
And every single one of them deserve it.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 06:58
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However the communities in the remote areas DONíT!

Salary increases would be great for flight crews, however the government must step up and immediately put more resources into aviation training and relax their rubbish rules and security bullshit with regards to airport access.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 07:04
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This is Australia. They will park aircraft up for years and years and burn millions before even considering a more competitive offer to maintain a fleet. That is the legacy of Alan which has spread like a cancer across this whole country.


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Old 29th Apr 2023, 09:59
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
This is Australia. They will park aircraft up for years and years and burn millions before even considering a more competitive offer to maintain a fleet. That is the legacy of Alan which has spread like a cancer across this whole country.
Go Bonza!




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Old 29th Apr 2023, 22:41
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I think with the Toowoomba flying school in full swing with cadets courses being pumped out one after another they won’t have an issue with feeding the QANTAS Group airlines
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 23:36
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Cadets wonít solve the retention issues outside of Mainline, you wont get cadets hanging around at Jetstar or other subs for 30 years. They all want to fly big twins just ask them. They will be leaving before they have even arrived at those subs. If they donít get what they want, then the same will happen which went on at Rex, a whole wave went to the ME who had reduced minimums.

Retention issues are likely going to be much worse at Alliance, Virgin and Rex. Virgin could fix its retention problems if they actually for once put some effort into crew engagement, that wonít happen while the yanks are in milking the cow mode.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 01:18
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Originally Posted by High_To_Low
I think with the Toowoomba flying school in full swing with cadets courses being pumped out one after another they wonít have an issue with feeding the QANTAS Group airlines
The problem for QLink is going to be who is going to sit in the left seat in the coming years.

Judging by the amount of current F/Oís interviewing elsewhere, it wonít be them.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 05:24
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A lot of pilots talk the talk but won’t walk the walk and most of us are guilty of this as we value living in Australia and/or our family aren’t keen on the idea of moving overseas due to family / career etc etc.

I get the conundrum the QF Group management / employees are in. Take those who are loyal and stay in the group but completely obliterate the subsidiaries or try and stimulate internal progression to mainline (but release date is 1-2yr away) but risk those on the hold walking as they can see how many seniority slots they’re going to lose.

I don’t know what the answer is and I feel sorry for everyone on both sides of the fence trying to work through this.I’d be very interested to know just how many are actually leaving our shores and whether it is really affecting filling seats here in Oz…I don’t believe it is
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 07:52
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Originally Posted by High_To_Low
A lot of pilots talk the talk but wonít walk the walk and most of us are guilty of this as we value living in Australia and/or our family arenít keen on the idea of moving overseas due to family / career etc etc.

I get the conundrum the QF Group management / employees are in. Take those who are loyal and stay in the group but completely obliterate the subsidiaries or try and stimulate internal progression to mainline (but release date is 1-2yr away) but risk those on the hold walking as they can see how many seniority slots theyíre going to lose.

I donít know what the answer is and I feel sorry for everyone on both sides of the fence trying to work through this.Iíd be very interested to know just how many are actually leaving our shores and whether it is really affecting filling seats here in OzÖI donít believe it is
It's pretty simple. Recruit into mainline and hold people back for a few years if you need to but, give them a number on the seniority list. Then they don't feel like they are being screwed when all the externals jump them. Having airlines like Jetstar not treating employees with absolute contempt and basic quality of life improvements wouldn't hurt either.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 08:27
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A lot of pilots talk the talk but won’t walk the walk and most of us are guilty of this as we value living in Australia and/or our family aren’t keen on the idea of moving overseas due to family / career etc etc.

I get the conundrum the QF Group management / employees are in. Take those who are loyal and stay in the group but completely obliterate the subsidiaries or try and stimulate internal progression to mainline (but release date is 1-2yr away) but risk those on the hold walking as they can see how many seniority slots they’re going to lose.

I don’t know what the answer is and I feel sorry for everyone on both sides of the fence trying to work through this.I’d be very interested to know just how many are actually leaving our shores and whether it is really affecting filling seats here in Oz…I don’t believe it is
The answers are pretty simple, if you are going to create a training entity with your name plastered all over it but bears zero financial risk the least you could do is create a genuine pathway. There's no reason these candidates shouldn't be cadets, both in mainline and link. You fix the FO problem then move on solving the Captain problem. But oh no, lets hold out for space shuttle pilots to fill SO spots.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 09:31
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I am fairly sure the Toowoomba pilots are being sent to GA jobs up in the Far North?
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 10:15
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Any news on Kaltta interviews?
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 11:01
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I am fairly sure the Toowoomba pilots are being sent to GA jobs up in the Far North?
1. How about the RHS of a turboprop, not that hard.
2. How about the RHS of a jet, it's done all around the world, except spaceshuttle land.
3. What? Every graduate of the 'academy' gets a gig up north? yeah/nah.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 12:31
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Originally Posted by tossbag
1. How about the RHS of a turboprop, not that hard.
2. How about the RHS of a jet, it's done all around the world, except spaceshuttle land.
3. What? Every graduate of the 'academy' gets a gig up north? yeah/nah.
Itís done all around the world because they donít have any other choice. Thereís plenty of experience to choose from at the moment with mainline applicants, why the hell would they not take that?

Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
It's pretty simple. Recruit into mainline and hold people back for a few years if you need to but, give them a number on the seniority list. Then they don't feel like they are being screwed when all the externals jump them. Having airlines like Jetstar not treating employees with absolute contempt and basic quality of life improvements wouldn't hurt either.
Youíd need to change the Longhaul EBA as to how seniority numbers are allocated before random numbers were handed out to people who havenít started. How can they do it when theyíre not on an actual course?
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 14:32
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A lot of legacies in the US now have flow programs for their regional pilots into mainline, with expected flow dates. The benefit is that assuming everything goes according to plan you walk into your mainline job, the downside is you lose seniority numbers in the meantime and run the risk of the economy slowing down before you get there. If you leave your regional for anywhere other than your legacy, you cannot apply off the street to that legacy for 12 months.

My opinion of these types of programs is that they are weapons designed to keep pilots where management wants them, ie staffing their feeders at cheaper rates. Qantas does the same thing with their Links, and for the same reasons. That leaves Aussies that want the big Q on their resume two options. Stay at your Link, and know you'll be there a long time, or leave your Link and take your chances.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 23:02
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
A lot of legacies in the US now have flow programs for their regional pilots into mainline, with expected flow dates. The benefit is that assuming everything goes according to plan you walk into your mainline job, the downside is you lose seniority numbers in the meantime and run the risk of the economy slowing down before you get there. If you leave your regional for anywhere other than your legacy, you cannot apply off the street to that legacy for 12 months.

My opinion of these types of programs is that they are weapons designed to keep pilots where management wants them, ie staffing their feeders at cheaper rates. Qantas does the same thing with their Links, and for the same reasons. That leaves Aussies that want the big Q on their resume two options. Stay at your Link, and know you'll be there a long time, or leave your Link and take your chances.
Hardly the same thing, in the states it is a guaranteed flow, in Australia it's just a carrot dangle with no guarantee of flow to mainline what-so-ever.
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Old 30th Apr 2023, 23:43
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My opinion of these types of programs is that they are weapons designed to keep pilots where management wants them, ie staffing their feeders at cheaper rates. Qantas does the same thing with their Links, and for the same reasons. That leaves Aussies that want the big Q on their resume two options. Stay at your Link, and know you'll be there a long time, or leave your Link and take your chances.
Yes 100% agree with that. It has been going on in NZ and Australia too for a long time. It's a way of controlling the labour market. If it gets to tight they just hire over the top into mainline because they can and there are no guarantees anyone in the feeder airline will go anywhere. The old theory back in the day was that if you wanted to work for Qantas you go work at Kendall and if you wanted to work for Ansett go work at Eastern/Sunstate. Same still applies now just the names have changed.
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Old 1st May 2023, 00:39
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Iím not sure that really is the case. 80% of SOs I fly with are ex Qlink/Jetstar/jet connect. 10 % probably Cathay and very rarely someone from GA or RAAF.
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Old 1st May 2023, 03:06
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Nothing makes me happier than the thought of watching Australian operators squirm for pilots.
Every single QF Group company is currently advertising for Pilots, with the only exception being QF Mainline.

Qantas Freight (Express Freighters Australia) announced a new Brisbane base for 2023 and elaborated by saying this:
"REVISED minimum hours for Direct Entry First Officer"

They are feeling the pinch on the line - Their Pockets via significant EBA improvements must be next...

AFAIK the Atlas Air Aussie Commuters WhatsApp group has more than 150 members
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