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Old 14th Jun 2023, 02:43
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
Kalitta appears to be moving away from E3 Visas for a number of reasons.
Out of curiosity, could you offer up some of those reasons?
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 03:12
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Not surprised given how some people have been conducting themselves during training and on the line. We dont get called Oztronaut because they like us.
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 07:20
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Originally Posted by Servo
Not surprised given how some people have been conducting themselves during training and on the line.
What kind of things are happening ? And is it the same at Atlas ?
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
What kind of things are happening ? And is it the same at Atlas ?
The US has a cooperate and graduate approach to flight training, from your first day as a pilot to your last, that's how you get through.. Some Australians have a bit of trouble with accepting that and need to question everything. Or worse, over explain it, incorrectly, for everyone to hear.
hear..
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Old 15th Jun 2023, 06:46
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https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...ent-to-age-67/

This could make it more interesting.
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Old 15th Jun 2023, 10:04
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The impression I got from Delta was they were not keen. Their management heads stated they need another 0.4 of a pilot to cover the sickness rates and seniority privileges of a pilot over the age of 63. In some cases, this may add to the pilot shortage.

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Old 15th Jun 2023, 16:13
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Age 67

For those Alpa brothers and sisters that may oppose raising the retirement age to 67, Alpa has a call to action that you can participate in. It takes about 10 seconds to complete after you log in.


https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/4633...Rm1ro5-E9PRWes
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Old 15th Jun 2023, 16:14
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It will not help with international ops. It will take time for china and the Middle East et al to raise the age to 67. Until they do, the us cairriers won’t be allowed to fly into those countries with pilots over 65.
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Old 15th Jun 2023, 21:52
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That just becomes a rostering issue then
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 00:04
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The rational part of me struggles to see need for mandatory retirement based soley on ones date of birth number.
I've worked with over 65's who collectively were no better or worse that the under 65's.

I sympathize that some peoples career may temporarily slow for a couple of years, but equally they have two years longer themselves.

In anycase, there comes a time in human evolution where 67 IS the new 65, just as 65 became the new 60.
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 15:33
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Well, looks like that's the end of SkyWest being a desirable E3 opportunity...
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 16:10
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks


Well, looks like that's the end of SkyWest being a desirable E3 opportunity...

It sure can't do it any good...a bold move. SKW used to take E3s but I don't know if they have in recent years. All I see on their website is the usual "...right to work in the USA..." and that doesn't necessarily tell the whole story re hiring expats.
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 18:40
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SKW does this and in the meantime GoJet are offering Green Card sponsorship
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 19:13
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
It sure can't do it any good...a bold move. SKW used to take E3s but I don't know if they have in recent years. All I see on their website is the usual "...right to work in the USA..." and that doesn't necessarily tell the whole story re hiring expats.
They’ve been taking A LOT of E3’s in the last 12 months.

Also ACN just updated their article; that bond appears to be only for foreign pilots employed through a specific firm.
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Old 18th Jun 2023, 19:29
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Originally Posted by cxflog
They’ve been taking A LOT of E3’s in the last 12 months.

Also ACN just updated their article; that bond appears to be only for foreign pilots employed through a specific firm.

cxflog,

Ah so...didn't know that. Will this bond thing apply to all foreign pilots including E3s ? I see the updated ACN article but it doesn't offer much detail.

I doubt that SKW or Republic will publicly admit they've shot them selves in the foot if these huge punitive bond contracts result in a drop in the number of people applying or accepting jobs...expats or US nationals.

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Old 19th Jun 2023, 08:55
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
cxflog,

Ah so...didn't know that. Will this bond thing apply to all foreign pilots including E3s ? I see the updated ACN article but it doesn't offer much detail.

I doubt that SKW or Republic will publicly admit they've shot them selves in the foot if these huge punitive bond contracts result in a drop in the number of people applying or accepting jobs...expats or US nationals.
Republic is filling new hire classes despite the training bond! These decisions are not made on a whim but rather a result of deliberate market analysis and strategic planning.

Although I doubt that this alleged ruling would affect e3’s, it’s irrelevant since a new hire e3 “typically” spends 5 years or more at a US regional before moving on.
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Dreamiator
Republic is filling new hire classes despite the training bond! These decisions are not made on a whim but rather a result of deliberate market analysis and strategic planning.
lol.. you’re giving them far more credit than they deserve. The move to bond new-hires is a purely reactionary move, given that they are facing unprecedented and fast paced attrition.

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Although I doubt that this alleged ruling would affect e3’s, it’s irrelevant since a new hire e3 “typically” spends 5 years or more at a US regional before moving on.
Not anymore. The time from regional to legacy is dropping like a rock. My record for a new-hire trainee is 1 year of CRJ, 2000TT and no PIC time to 777 FO. The LCC’s that are prepared to take E3’s will hoover them up as quickly as they can, simply because they can’t get pilots via the regular route.
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Dreamiator
Republic is filling new hire classes despite the training bond!
I can see where (or WAG it) that could be the case since a person entering the 1500-hour US airline world at minimum flight time would typically need to spend a few years at some regional or other anyway. But until accurate data is produced, it's hard to tell what effect these burdensome contacts will have on recruiting at the regionals having them.

I just don't know. Did Republic ever take E3s ?
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Not anymore. The time from regional to legacy is dropping like a rock. My record for a new-hire trainee is 1 year of CRJ, 2000TT and no PIC time to 777 FO.
Kenny,

Was this new hire you mention an E3 ?
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Old 19th Jun 2023, 15:28
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As I understand this is aimed at the DECs to the charter division via Rishworth, they want 1000hrs of 135 then transferring to the airline division for 1000 hours more.

Hopefully they're told to take a running jump by most, $70,000 is absurd.
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