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Old 17th Jun 2022, 20:32
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Originally Posted by Rogerwood
Will there be 30 “count the buttons a factory produces in 33.31 lunar days by 43 workers at 76548 a millisecond” questions? Then a suck up to the HR department over lunch, followed by a sim ride with a 20 year retired grumpy 727 captain?

Or will they respect your flying experience, ask questions relative to the type of role you will perform?
I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 00:12
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.
I'd like to add to "unless you're a complete idiot", with bringing an Oztranaut attitude with you. I know more than a few guys sent home because they couldn't let go of Australian best practices.

To be fair though, most American recruiters don't really understand the heartache that goes into a lot of the nuances of Australian aviation either. The struggles of all 7 atpl subjects, the years of being a bush pilot, the absolute anal-retentive focus on the exact right order of a ctaf radio call, or the 3 shuttle re-entries required to sit right seat in a Saab.

My advice to those who will be coming over; don't hold on so tight, and you will have a good time flying with the Americans. But if you lead with, "I've done X, Y and Z, therefore I..." you're going to have a bad time.

As those above have said, there's a lot of money on the table over here. You might not have a green card right now, but that's not to say you won't in the future.

Good luck y'all.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 00:48
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.
yes mate joking. Anyone who has done a QF interview would understand that comment.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 01:09
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Slight thread drift on my part, but this may offer some further thought into whether or not to depart Australia without a current medical or IPC.

I'm in Asia and out of work due to the pandemic and now age. Applied for a sim instructing qualification which was accepted by a well know identity in this region. Long story short, but everything I previously held has lapsed so my foreign license (Australian ATPL) has to be validated again, and this includes an Australian medical. My Asian ATPL expired piece by piece and is now worthless. The bare minimum I now need is a CASA Class 1 medical, and this is for a sim job, not flying. This requires travel overseas to complete. As others have alluded to, I'd be cautious about leaving Australia without the backbone of a current Australian medical and IPC.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 01:56
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Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles
Can confirm, I know someone. personally that was sent home to renew his IPC after making the trip believing that he'll get past. Some have been successful, but it's a gamble that could cost you time, money and seniority!
So someone's willing to uproot to the USA having jagged an E3 slot? Congratulations.

Same person is questioning the wisdom of making things as simple as possible for themselves AND the sponsoring E3 organisation by taking a spin in a Duchess or similar and doing a medical to ensure a long validity CASA Class 1 medical?
Couple of thousand $$ tops I'd imagine, wise investment IMHO.

Could end up nasty if the gamble NOT to have a current IPC/Medical turns to shit!
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 03:44
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I have been going through all the regulations and FSIMS manual for airmen certification. What I can see that is required to conduct the practical portion of ATP:

Current FAA class 3 medical.
CPL with IR or ATPL with instrument privileges/rating and a valid verification letter.

From what I can see, going it alone without an airline you do not need to have passed a PC or IR renewal to take the practical portion of the check ride.

Can anyone else confirm that this IR currency fiasco is only a requirement of the E3 sponsoring airlines?
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 07:22
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
I'd like to add to "unless you're a complete idiot", with bringing an Oztranaut attitude with you. I know more than a few guys sent home because they couldn't let go of Australian best practices.

To be fair though, most American recruiters don't really understand the heartache that goes into a lot of the nuances of Australian aviation either. The struggles of all 7 atpl subjects, the years of being a bush pilot, the absolute anal-retentive focus on the exact right order of a ctaf radio call, or the 3 shuttle re-entries required to sit right seat in a Saab.

My advice to those who will be coming over; don't hold on so tight, and you will have a good time flying with the Americans. But if you lead with, "I've done X, Y and Z, therefore I..." you're going to have a bad time.

As those above have said, there's a lot of money on the table over here. You might not have a green card right now, but that's not to say you won't in the future.

Good luck y'all.
To add onto what Socks said above. Success as an Australian in the US is really down to two things. They’re not inherently difficult but pretty much essential.

Firstly, while you may have done things differently and in YOUR opinion better than the Yanks whilst in Australia, it’s their train set and you will get a reputation for being a royal pain in the arse, if you keep telling them how much better the Australians are at aviation. I’ve done both FAA and CASA at the airline level and there are good and bad ideas on both sides of the pacific.

Secondly, don’t be the whiney, nasally Australian. It isn’t cute or attractive. It‘s annoying as hell and a complete embarrassment to the rest of us. I’ve been here, on and off for 23 years and apart from the odd comment, I’ve done what I think is pretty good job of flying the flag. They’re a good bunch and you’ll meet some outstanding aviators but there’s always the 1%, no matter where you go.

Australia is a lot of good things but aviation best practice, simply isn’t one of them.

Steps off soapbox.

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Old 18th Jun 2022, 07:38
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Medical question between FAA/CASA

G’day

Hoping someone might have an answer or suggestion for me.

I’m Australian and initially received an ATPL in Australia and flew in different jobs here for years.

Then converted my licence to an US ATP in California about 15 years ago.
I flew part 135 charter and did required medicals.

I returned to Australia and in the time I’ve been back here have had a “renew by CASA only” condition placed on my licence.

It really should of been removed years ago and now it will take 3 months possibly to get that removed.

If I attended an FAA medical in Florida with my FAA licence will the Doctor care about my Australia CASA Class 1?

Im thinking of taking a job there.

regards HUD
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Hudson5
If I attended an FAA medical in Florida with my FAA licence will the Doctor care about my Australia CASA Class 1?

Im thinking of taking a job there.

regards HUD
In a word, no.

You didn’t convert your CASA ATPL to an FAA ATP because there is no conversion process in FAA land. So, you did your FAA ATP flight test and were granted an FAA ATP based on flight time you gained in Australia. Therefore your FAA ATP is not based in any way on your CASA license and hence, an FAA AME won’t care about your CASA medical.

Best of luck.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 13:50
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The FAA medical is a lot simpler than Austronaut land. But you still have to declare the same sorts of things you would in Aus.

If you were on medical audit in Aus you can expect the same issues and problems from the FAA, in some ways they are worse than Avmed.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 14:10
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Originally Posted by Hudson5
G’day

Hoping someone might have an answer or suggestion for me.

I’m Australian and initially received an ATPL in Australia and flew in different jobs here for years.

Then converted my licence to an US ATP in California about 15 years ago.
I flew part 135 charter and did required medicals.

I returned to Australia and in the time I’ve been back here have had a “renew by CASA only” condition placed on my licence.

It really should of been removed years ago and now it will take 3 months possibly to get that removed.

If I attended an FAA medical in Florida with my FAA licence will the Doctor care about my Australia CASA Class 1?

Im thinking of taking a job there.

regards HUD
Just out of curiosity, what triggered the renew by casa only condition?
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 22:47
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Thanks everyone for the replies. Some great opportunities there.
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 00:43
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Originally Posted by SkewedFlaps
CPL with IR or ATPL with instrument privileges/rating and a valid verification letter.

From what I can see, going it alone without an airline you do not need to have passed a PC or IR renewal to take the practical portion of the check ride.

Can anyone else confirm that this IR currency fiasco is only a requirement of the E3 sponsoring airlines?
I think you answered your own question. Can you think of any reason where CASA would say you had a valid IR or PC when they have lapsed when they're issuing the validation/verification letter?
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 02:50
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Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles
I think you answered your own question. Can you think of any reason where CASA would say you had a valid IR or PC when they have lapsed when they're issuing the validation/verification letter?
Don't really appreciate your smart ass tone.

FAA verification letter is to verify you hold the license and ratings, whether you are current or recent is another story.
I recently had one verified myself even though I haven't done a PC for years.

Hence my question remains, is this an E3 airline thing?
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 05:55
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As I said before, I've been over twice to the US without a current IPC but obviously with a verification letter and had no dramas whatsoever. This was about 2 or 3 years ago. Just ask them if it is an issue! Simple.
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 09:06
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Just got a job with a US regional.
E-3 Approved
Licence Verification requested (still waiting)
LCC completed
FAA medical booked

Talk me through the process of things that you have to do prior to entering the US and then prior to starting ATP conversion, Training in Sim and Aircraft.

Anyone who has also recently done all this what was the training process like? Moving process? Living situations? Work/Life balance? Culture? Ease of changing jobs in the future to other airlines offering E3?
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 10:32
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Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles
I think you answered your own question. Can you think of any reason where CASA would say you had a valid IR or PC when they have lapsed when they're issuing the validation/verification letter?
Have you ever got a verification letter?

I went overseas with an expired IPC (because I was under an airline check and training system), the letter made no mention of the fact that the IPC was not current.
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Originally Posted by Ge4rFai1ure
Just got a job with a US regional.
E-3 Approved
Licence Verification requested (still waiting)
LCC completed
FAA medical booked

Talk me through the process of things that you have to do prior to entering the US and then prior to starting ATP conversion, Training in Sim and Aircraft.

Anyone who has also recently done all this what was the training process like? Moving process? Living situations? Work/Life balance? Culture? Ease of changing jobs in the future to other airlines offering E3?
You have to be joking right?
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Ge4rFai1ure
Just got a job with a US regional.
E-3 Approved
Licence Verification requested (still waiting)
LCC completed
FAA medical booked

Talk me through the process of things that you have to do prior to entering the US and then prior to starting ATP conversion, Training in Sim and Aircraft.

Anyone who has also recently done all this what was the training process like? Moving process? Living situations? Work/Life balance? Culture? Ease of changing jobs in the future to other airlines offering E3?
Anyone who has also recently done all this what was the training process like? Achievable unless your sim partner constantly quotes Top Gun.

Moving process? Pretty much the same as moving anywhere else but you can only bring suitcases. If you wear all your clothes on the plane you have more space for appliances..

Living situations? You can usually afford a big ski in ski out house with at least 5 full time staff. Or at least you'll probably be able to in a few more months.

Work/Life balance? Easy. You can get eye drops that fix the redness after a huge bender so the pax won't realize you're in the hurt locker.

Culture? Can you dodge a bullet, eat crappy bacon and plunge yourself into huge amounts of useless debt while paying an inflated lease on a Chevy Equinox? You'll fit right in. Oh and don't forget to pick a political side and not think for yourself ever again.

Ease of changing jobs in the future to other airlines offering E3? Yeah not hard but the chick at the visa counter usually needs a couple of buddy passes to smooth things through.
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 19:18
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Anyone who has also recently done all this what was the training process like? Achievable unless your sim partner constantly quotes Top Gun.

Moving process? Pretty much the same as moving anywhere else but you can only bring suitcases. If you wear all your clothes on the plane you have more space for appliances..

Living situations? You can usually afford a big ski in ski out house with at least 5 full time staff. Or at least you'll probably be able to in a few more months.

Work/Life balance? Easy. You can get eye drops that fix the redness after a huge bender so the pax won't realize you're in the hurt locker.

Culture? Can you dodge a bullet, eat crappy bacon and plunge yourself into huge amounts of useless debt while paying an inflated lease on a Chevy Equinox? You'll fit right in. Oh and don't forget to pick a political side and not think for yourself ever again.

Ease of changing jobs in the future to other airlines offering E3? Yeah not hard but the chick at the visa counter usually needs a couple of buddy passes to smooth things through.
Comedy gold, especially the last two responses 😂
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