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Old 3rd Jun 2022, 13:04
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this isn’t fair
Life wasn't meant to be easy.

You're talking what's not fair when you're jumping in a car under the influence? Maybe should have thought about the consequences of driving under the influence?
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Old 3rd Jun 2022, 13:10
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My insignificant vote says you'll be fine in your job hunt. Kenny is right about withholding info. You don't want to spend one second looking over your shoulder to see if they will find out; computer government records are ubiquitous so you never know how interrelated they are. The saying goes that it's not the crime but the coverup...

[anecdotal info reports that some legacies have hired pilots with a DUI]

25 years ago is a long time and I'd guess it's easy to come up with a plausible explanation that you're no longer the knuckle-headed kid who made that mistake. Maybe an interview prep/app review company could advise you ?

Apply to all the regionals, have your explanation ready and press on. Good luck.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 03:18
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
ppp,


My insignificant vote says you'll be fine in your job hunt. Kenny is right about withholding info. You don't want to spend one second looking over your shoulder to see if they will find out; computer government records are ubiquitous so you never know how interrelated they are. The saying goes that it's not the crime but the coverup...

[anecdotal info reports that some legacies have hired pilots with a DUI]

25 years ago is a long time and I'd guess it's easy to come up with a plausible explanation that you're no longer the knuckle-headed kid who made that mistake. Maybe an interview prep/app review company could advise you ?

Apply to all the regionals, have your explanation ready and press on. Good luck.
thanks for the reply I well put it on and see what happens other then that I suppose I weíll just retire from flying and fly privately itís a pity but I never knew how this would effect me 25yrs later
Itís not all bad I guess I can just retire all together
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 04:00
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Originally Posted by peterpicklepeper
thanks for the reply I well put it on and see what happens other then that I suppose I weíll just retire from flying and fly privately itís a pity but I never knew how this would effect me 25yrs later
Itís not all bad I guess I can just retire all together
Bafan is right about getting the input of an interview service like cage or emerald coast. Google them. You may get an interview and if you do, you canít afford to wing it and waste the chance. Youíre not going to get many chances, so you need to know exactly how to answer the inevitable questions that are asked about the DUI.
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whilst on the topic of DUI, anyone know how Aussie airlines like QF treat them? especially if it was somewhat recent
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:27
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Originally Posted by peterpicklepeper
just to ask advice
I have interviews with some regionals and there asking if I have a record I got caught dui 25 yrs ago it doesnít show on my record itís gone but the job offer says I must list all crimes
plus my driving record is not to good either speeding but no tickets for 10 yrs should I tell them and possibly get no job or not tell them with chance of being found out and sacked
this isnít fair Iím paying twice for my mistakes
Any suggestions
regards
A very old DUI will not immediately disqualify you from working for a regional, or even a low cost like Spirit.
You will struggle to move on to a major with something like that on record, although that would only be an opportunity if a green card was available.
You will be required to list it anyway on the DS-160 form for your E3 visa application. It will come up in your visa interview.
The US is very very anti-drink driving, even more so then Australia. But it does not make you inadmissible. Like everything regarding US immigration it is up to the consular officer on the day to approve the visa.
It will also come up in your FAA medical, so be prepared for that as well.

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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:56
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I must ask. If a DUI that occured 25 years ago doesn't turn up on any background check, why would you tell anyone who doesn't know about it?

Airlines and the US embassy don't have any magic powers to see 25 year old convictions that don't appear on criminal history checks.

​​​​I had a DUI in 1992 and I have not mentioned it to anyone. I personally wouldn't say a thing.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 21:07
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Driving history

Originally Posted by Climb150
I must ask. If a DUI that occured 25 years ago doesn't turn up on any background check, why would you tell anyone who doesn't know about it?

Airlines and the US embassy don't have any magic powers to see 25 year old convictions that don't appear on criminal history checks.

​​​​I had a DUI in 1992 and I have not mentioned it to anyone. I personally wouldn't say a thing.
yes thatís what I thought climb
anyway I must mention to everyone that anyone who has a speeding ticket of any sort or dui it well be looked upon badly and could stop you from being employed
thanks everyone for the advice
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 02:14
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Originally Posted by Climb150
I must ask. If a DUI that occured 25 years ago doesn't turn up on any background check, why would you tell anyone who doesn't know about it?

Airlines and the US embassy don't have any magic powers to see 25 year old convictions that don't appear on criminal history checks.

​​​​I had a DUI in 1992 and I have not mentioned it to anyone. I personally wouldn't say a thing.
I probably wouldn’t be so proud of myself in public, for that. If you check the FAA website, you’ll find it should have been reported and you’ve been falsifying your medical. Congrats.

The cut off date is Nov 29th, 1990.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 02:35
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Mistakes are made, no one is immune. Owning those mistakes and proving that it was a learnt experience is different to the 'life is not fair' bullshit coming from someone whinging about not being able to secure a flying position. Life ain't fair when an innocent life is taken due to the actions of a drink driver.

From what I've observed and experienced the US takes a very dim view of lying about these types of things, rightly so.

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Old 5th Jun 2022, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Climb150
I must ask. If a DUI that occured 25 years ago doesn't turn up on any background check, why would you tell anyone who doesn't know about it?

Airlines and the US embassy don't have any magic powers to see 25 year old convictions that don't appear on criminal history checks.

​​​​I had a DUI in 1992 and I have not mentioned it to anyone. I personally wouldn't say a thing.
I agree. There is no way they will find out about that unless you tell them. I’m not advocating lying etc but in this particular instance it was a quarter of a century ago, nobody will ever find out and telling them would only harm your chances in this scenario.

You learned your lesson, kept your nose clean and I don’t see why you should keep paying for that all this time later. Let it go and just forget it now…
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 08:12
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Treat it as an exercise in risk management.
The way I would look at something relatively trivial (in the grand scheme of criminality) that I did 25 years ago is this:
If I declare it, there is a more than 90% chance my application would be rejected by some holier-than-thou asshole with God on his side (in case you didn’t already know, the Americans really do believe in God). It will show his masters how diligent he is in weeding out closet alcoholics.
If I say nothing, there is probably a less than 10% chance that some over zealous 18 year old sleuth in human remains will find out anyway, and will also be keen to show how diligent she is in weeding out chronic liars, so my application will be rejected.

Which odds are better?
Back at the time of the Vietnam War we could be called up for national service at age 19, but the drinking age was 21. At age 18 I got ‘done’ for under-age drinking at a farewell party for some guys who had been drafted. Not only convicted, but my name made it to page three of the State’s major newspaper (a pathetic rag that had nothing better to report than pending divorces, minor misdemeanours and traffic offences). Did I ever admit my criminal tendencies to any employer ? F..k no - the info was there if they really wanted to find out, but either they did not, or did not give a sh!t.

But if I can offer some other advice to Peter Pickled : FFS work on your punctuation and spelling! The way your posts read, you are still under the influence of something. If your resume’ is anything like that, you won’t get a look in.

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Old 5th Jun 2022, 09:39
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Worth remembering that in the USA DUI is different. There is no RBT, and the police have to have a reason to pull you over. Then if they do you have to blow .08 so very different than here.

The former administrator of the FAA had a DUI charged dismissed because the Police had no reason to pull him over. Very different to here where the Police can just pull you over and breathalyze you for no reason.

I would suggest you seek US Legal advice and maybe discuss it with the airline.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Kenny
I probably wouldnít be so proud of myself in public, for that. If you check the FAA website, youíll find it should have been reported and youíve been falsifying your medical. Congrats.

The cut off date is Nov 29th, 1990.
Oh Kenny I wish I was such an upstanding and truthful member of the community as you seem to be.

I once worked at Military recruiting and we were told to inform applicants that if it won't turn up on a background check, it did not happen. That's why most things don't turn up on a background check after x amount of years. It's the lawmakers giving you chance not be defined by something that happened in the past. To disclose everything you have done ever isn't realistic and probably challengeable in court.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 13:52
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Oh Kenny I wish I was such an upstanding and truthful member of the community as you seem to be.
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Oh don’t be such a child. You admitted on a public forum that you have a DUI that you’ve never admitted to while exercising the rights of an FAA medical, when it should have been reported. I couldn’t care less whether you report it or not but have some balls and own the fact you don’t think you’ve done anything wrong.

There’s no other nation that does passive-aggressive, self righteous indignation, quite like Australia.
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Wow Kenny you get triggered easily.

I may have broken a rule, but as I have stated there is no possible way anyone would know as it was so long ago and in a foreign country. I wasn't blind drunk I blew .05. For those that don't know .05 is actually drink driving. The max you can be is actually.04 so live and learn.

Surprisingly CASA didn't care as when I got my class one it was 15 years ago back then.

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Old 5th Jun 2022, 22:12
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Correct punctuation

Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
Treat it as an exercise in risk management.
The way I would look at something relatively trivial (in the grand scheme of criminality) that I did 25 years ago is this:
If I declare it, there is a more than 90% chance my application would be rejected by some holier-than-thou asshole with God on his side (in case you didnít already know, the Americans really do believe in God). It will show his masters how diligent he is in weeding out closet alcoholics.
If I say nothing, there is probably a less than 10% chance that some over zealous 18 year old sleuth in human remains will find out anyway, and will also be keen to show how diligent she is in weeding out chronic liars, so my application will be rejected.

Which odds are better?
Back at the time of the Vietnam War we could be called up for national service at age 19, but the drinking age was 21. At age 18 I got Ďdoneí for under-age drinking at a farewell party for some guys who had been drafted. Not only convicted, but my name made it to page three of the Stateís major newspaper (a pathetic rag that had nothing better to report than pending divorces, minor misdemeanours and traffic offences). Did I ever admit my criminal tendencies to any employer ? F..k no - the info was there if they really wanted to find out, but either they did not, or did not give a sh!t.

But if I can offer some other advice to Peter Pickled : FFS work on your punctuation and spelling! The way your posts read, you are still under the influence of something. If your resumeí is anything like that, you wonít get a look in.
Hahaha you are right on my spelling ability lol
one of my downfalls.
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 17:10
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aseries,

Try this. Lots of reading but it'll probably answer your questions. They used to have a section called "Airline Profiles" that gave pay and details but I don't see it now. Maybe you have to register at APC to see the profiles (I'm not registered):

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/atlas-polar/
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 18:26
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
aseries,

Try this. Lots of reading but it'll probably answer your questions. They used to have a section called "Airline Profiles" that gave pay and details but I don't see it now. Maybe you have to register at APC to see the profiles (I'm not registered):

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/atlas-polar/

I donít think you have to register, the profiles section is hidden in a different menu. That website is a wealth of information for all US airlines and helps you make an informed decision.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...argo/atlas_air
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 19:58
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Much is said about everyone jumping ship, but any insight into what Atlas are hiring onto, opportunities and payscale off the bat? Thanks in advance guys.
$92/ hour first year B744 FO, becoming $129/ hour second year & $170/ hour at year 5, minimum guarantee 64 hours/ month. Anchorage B744 FO is the most common start point. CBA is a 382 page document.
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