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Old 5th Aug 2022, 22:07
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Hey bafanguy, all good, I wasn't directing that comment at you!
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 01:16
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Did those who signed up for the Spirit event know what terms & conditions Spirit was offering before they signed up ? If they decided not to go because of inadequate offerings, why did they sign up in the first place ?

True enough, the no-show is not the end of the world but it'll likely end Spirit's efforts to facilitate things for E3s by having a face-to-face event Down There...which is always better than the distance method.

If Spirit had set up these events and few, if any, people signed up then as dr dre said, the market would have spoken and that'd be Spirit's mistake to have offered the meetings.

And filling out an application before attending such a meet & greet is pretty standard from what I hear people talking about...and meet & greets are pretty common here and considered an important step in the process.

But there are paths available to Spirit absent the face-to-face Down There so the job will still be available from the sound of it.
Can we clear up that the Spirit event was a job interview, not road show. Those who turned up were invited and have put in applications and been accepted on merit. People should know the conditions prior to going as they held 2 video chats. If I was Spirit I wouldnít be taking any of the no shows in the future. Maybe a BN2 on Horn is more tempting?
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 01:45
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To be fair to those who assumed it was a roadshow, this was the digital flyer that was sent around:
Australia's no.1 interview-whisperer said it was a roadshow and their own post really didn't read like it was a hiring event..
And what exactly is the difference between an interview event and a roadshow? Perhaps the hardsell/pressure to sign?



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Old 6th Aug 2022, 01:54
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
To be fair to those who assumed it was a roadshow, this was the digital flyer that was sent around:
Australia's no.1 interview-whisperer said it was a roadshow and their own post really didn't read like it was a hiring event..
And what exactly is the difference between an interview event and a roadshow? Perhaps the hardsell/pressure to sign?


Well where I was only people who were invited to interview for a job offer. No presentations or slides etc. Maybe being called a roadshow doesnít mean any of that. It was a hiring event. Maybe the guy who turned up for his interview in jeans and a t shirt may have gotten the wrong flyer.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 02:28
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Are Spirit in a position to turn down a keen pilot who mistakenly wore a t shirt and jeans?
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 02:31
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
Are Spirit in a position to turn down a keen pilot who mistakenly wore a t shirt and jeans?
That reply says more about you than the guy with jeans on. I take it youíre a QF Captain? How do you mistakenly wear jeans to a job interview?
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 04:37
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That reply says more about you than the guy with jeans on. I take it youíre a QF Captain? How do you mistakenly wear jeans to a job interview?
Well, believing it is a roadshow for one
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 04:52
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
Well, believing it is a roadshow for one
Ok. So even then you would wear jeans to meet a potential employer? Iíll say it again, you had to put in an application, receive an email with your requested date out of 2, then you were given a date and time and place to go, told to bring resumes and log books and advised that if successful could be offered a job.

Didnt see any of that on the flyer? Iím sorry but it sounds like only you and Just Jeans man thought this was an open roadshow? And how did you know where to turn up to this roadshow? Oh yes, you read the email sent to you stating itís an interview for a job.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 05:17
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Mate, I didn't wear jeans to the interview because I wasn't there, simply sharing a screenshot I received from half my av mates.. - looks like a terrible gig given what's on the market
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 12:01
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Just as a bit of info to our E3 compatriots: any time (and under any circumstances) you get near US flt ops management and/or airline recruiters who are in the headhunting mode...it's an interview regardless of what it might be called in the literature !! And should be treated as such because you are being scrutinized, evaluated and judged on those aspects beyond the CV.

If coming here doesn't suit one's circumstances (and it won't for many), then feel free to pass up the event.

I feel no obligation to defend Spirit, but it's far from the worst job one can get Up Here. But if better is available elsewhere you should certainly take it.

Good luck to those who take a shot at Spirit. You can always treat it like a regional: a steppingstone.

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 15:43
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Just as a bit of info to our E3 compatriots: any time (and under any circumstances) you get near US flt ops management and/or airline recruiters who are in the headhunting mode...it's an interview regardless of what it might be called in the literature !! And should be treated as such because you are being scrutinized, evaluated and judged on those aspects beyond the CV.

If coming here doesn't suit one's circumstances (and it won't for many), then feel free to pass up the event.

I feel no obligation to defend Spirit, but it's far from the worst job one can get Up Here. But if better is available elsewhere you should certainly take it.

Good luck to those who take a shot at Spirit. You can always treat it like a regional: a steppingstone.
Couldn't agree more. It's true that your first 3 months pay wise at Spirit will be garbage, then mediocre for the rest of your first year. Also with the JB merger, commands are probably about to blow out too. But, after all that, you get a free faa atp, arguably the most valuable type rating in the world, and significantly more operational support than you'd get at a regional.

Also, while Spirit may not have the same quick upgrades and better pay initially as some regionals, it's a much better place to be if this recession sets in. 2nd year pay you're looking at $120k, and 3rd year $150k, plus 401k and all the rest. If I was coming over from Aus now and Spirit was on offer, it'd be foolish to pass it up.

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 18:56
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Couldn't agree more. It's true that your first 3 months pay wise at Spirit will be garbage, then mediocre for the rest of your first year. Also with the JB merger, commands are probably about to blow out too. But, after all that, you get a free faa atp, arguably the most valuable type rating in the world, and significantly more operational support than you'd get at a regional.

Also, while Spirit may not have the same quick upgrades and better pay initially as some regionals, it's a much better place to be if this recession sets in. 2nd year pay you're looking at $120k, and 3rd year $150k, plus 401k and all the rest. If I was coming over from Aus now and Spirit was on offer, it'd be foolish to pass it up.
FAA ATP isn't free at Spirit. You need to pay for your CTP which is a requisite to the written exam which is required for the ATP. They say "Free ATP" but it's a bit of a farce considering it's just a box to tick on the type ride form.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 21:06
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Just as a curiosity, does anyone know the general qualifications of those who got CJOs from Spirit. For example, were they people with air carrier experience, corporate only, GA only or a mix ?

Probably hard to get an accurate Big Picture but it'd be informative if someone who had knowledge of that could comment.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 21:28
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Just as a curiosity, does anyone know the general qualifications of those who got CJOs from Spirit. For example, were they people with air carrier experience, corporate only, GA only or a mix ?

Probably hard to get an accurate Big Picture but it'd be informative if someone who had knowledge of that could comment.
Being Australia it would probably be pretty much 100% GA or regional airline guys. Our corporate sector is tiny by comparision and not many people with an RPT gig would be leaving to fly with Spirit.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 07:26
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bafanguy, a good mate got a CJO, CFII MEI, about 3000 TT, no 121 or 135 time and no degree. But he's not a d!ckhead, wore a suit to the interview and is courteous and polite.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 08:04
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G'day folks,

I have recently had an interview with a regional airline which seemed to go well. I am a little worried about the E3 visa as that will be my biggest hurdle. I am aware of the requirements (I don't have a degree) and that people have gone overseas to acquire the visas. Any tips on where I should go and how long it would take? I am tempted to resign from my remote GA gig however I am worried that I may not successfully acquire the E3 visa to be able to take the regional position.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 10:59
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
looks like a terrible gig given what's on the market
Genuinely curious, what makes you say this? Spirit is on my list of potentials for when I've got the experience for it, just wondering what drawbacks you see with them or what better options are out there.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 11:18
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Don't listen to him mate, the training pay is average (2 to 3 months) and the first year pay is low but liveable (it is at every airline, even the highest paid airlines have low first year pay) but the pay and prospects are very good at Spirit and the QOL is amongst the better airlines.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 17:58
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Spirit past Year 1 and off reserve has one of the best QOL vs pay contracts an Aussie could get back home and around the world, even amongst legacies.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 20:39
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Mate if youíre young, can handle being away from home and have no commitments etc why wouldnít you? If this is one of your first major gigs well it beats going up north for a twin job. Donít listen to the other guys who constantly put it down. For the small amount of upfront costs ie ATP and MCC course, the type ratings are paid. Try getting that in oz. Live with a flat mate first year and do as much OT as you can. The money will come in the 2nd and 3rd years.
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