Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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Our united front is the only reason any of us still have jobs today.
Keep your cool and put your trust in the association.
If we stick together and use our days off to recuperate away from what is increasingly becoming a toxic workplace the clowns that run the place will hopefully realise they can't possibly acquit the work with the number of redundancies they've got planned.
Even if only a few jobs are saved it will be worth it.
Keep your cool and put your trust in the association.
If we stick together and use our days off to recuperate away from what is increasingly becoming a toxic workplace the clowns that run the place will hopefully realise they can't possibly acquit the work with the number of redundancies they've got planned.
Even if only a few jobs are saved it will be worth it.
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Jethro I think the majority are talking about the Syd situation. Nothing is accelerating there in fact they are already that short staffed that they cannot cope with all the work.
The management strategy behind your current situation is one I think I am familiar with...
In an IT situation it goes like this:
1. We buy a brand new $50 million IT system that the consultants say is going to save us, say 200 jobs.
2. We install the system, get it working, and start looking for those 200 people to be made redundant because the IT system is now doing their work.
3. Guess what? We can't find anyone who isn't busy as a beaver! Worse still, people are crying out about all the extra work our new IT system has created and they want more, not less, staff!
4. So we go back to the consultants, ready to rip them a new arsehole, and this is what they tell us:
"Ah Mr. Sunfish, you have made a classic mistake in implementing the new system we recommended for you! "
"....... since implementing the new system, people have rearranged their workloads and deliberately created more unnecessary work to justify their continued employment!"
" What you should have done is sack 200 people Before the new system went live, then you tell the remainder that they have to make it work with what they have left! "
I kid you not. I've seen it done this way. To my shame I even participated in it.
Boeing and Airbus will have told Qantas management that their aircraft require on average X man hours per block hour to maintain. I would expect that the figure may also be backed up by ATA data.
The thinking of Qantas management will be the same as our IT example: "If we are to achieve the target labor costs, then we must cut staff NOW or otherwise they will have opportunities to continue or even increase the number of inefficient working practices that must be preventing us from achieving the Boeing and Airbus target manhour figures".
To put it another way:
Your management thinks you are lazy inefficient layabouts and that there is therefore a tonne of unused engineering capacity just laying about in bad working practices, over manning, etc. The thinking goes that if there are less of you, the remainder will have to work smarter, not harder, the inefficient working practices will disappear and therby the Boeing and AIrbus targets will be achieved.
Anyone who thinks different is obviously a trouble maker or a saboteur. no consideration is given to the possibility that Australian Geography, sector lengths, fleet size, maintenance philosophy, depreciation rates, proximity to manufacturers and suppliers of LRU's, engines and a host of other gear has anything to do with it, let alone the difference between CASA and the FAA. and a host of other factors.
They wont realise they have cut too deep until its too late, but the experiment must continue....
In an IT situation it goes like this:
1. We buy a brand new $50 million IT system that the consultants say is going to save us, say 200 jobs.
2. We install the system, get it working, and start looking for those 200 people to be made redundant because the IT system is now doing their work.
3. Guess what? We can't find anyone who isn't busy as a beaver! Worse still, people are crying out about all the extra work our new IT system has created and they want more, not less, staff!
4. So we go back to the consultants, ready to rip them a new arsehole, and this is what they tell us:
"Ah Mr. Sunfish, you have made a classic mistake in implementing the new system we recommended for you! "
"....... since implementing the new system, people have rearranged their workloads and deliberately created more unnecessary work to justify their continued employment!"
" What you should have done is sack 200 people Before the new system went live, then you tell the remainder that they have to make it work with what they have left! "
I kid you not. I've seen it done this way. To my shame I even participated in it.
Boeing and Airbus will have told Qantas management that their aircraft require on average X man hours per block hour to maintain. I would expect that the figure may also be backed up by ATA data.
The thinking of Qantas management will be the same as our IT example: "If we are to achieve the target labor costs, then we must cut staff NOW or otherwise they will have opportunities to continue or even increase the number of inefficient working practices that must be preventing us from achieving the Boeing and Airbus target manhour figures".
To put it another way:
Your management thinks you are lazy inefficient layabouts and that there is therefore a tonne of unused engineering capacity just laying about in bad working practices, over manning, etc. The thinking goes that if there are less of you, the remainder will have to work smarter, not harder, the inefficient working practices will disappear and therby the Boeing and AIrbus targets will be achieved.
Anyone who thinks different is obviously a trouble maker or a saboteur. no consideration is given to the possibility that Australian Geography, sector lengths, fleet size, maintenance philosophy, depreciation rates, proximity to manufacturers and suppliers of LRU's, engines and a host of other gear has anything to do with it, let alone the difference between CASA and the FAA. and a host of other factors.
They wont realise they have cut too deep until its too late, but the experiment must continue....
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Sunfish,
Historically Qantas has been doing just that over the last 40years and had to re-employ some of those same engineers that they made redundant as soon as 12 months later.
Different managers over the years adopted the same practices in the way things are passed from father to son. Why? ..... "Because that's the way we've always done it".
Incredibly, it has been accepted time and time again as the "right" way.
There have been people to attempt to change things for the better but the "brick wall" is too strong and too high.
This time, I fear, there may be terminal damage done to the company under Joyce and Clifford that cannot be repaired and permanent outsourcing for heavy maintenance will take place due to lack of staff. Middle manager attitudes toward their staff in the past will result in reluctance by redundant staff to return when recruiting begins.
I hope I am wrong on this part, but in the equation this time around is Boeing's argument about less maintenance and Joyce's hatred of LAME's.
Historically Qantas has been doing just that over the last 40years and had to re-employ some of those same engineers that they made redundant as soon as 12 months later.
Different managers over the years adopted the same practices in the way things are passed from father to son. Why? ..... "Because that's the way we've always done it".
Incredibly, it has been accepted time and time again as the "right" way.
There have been people to attempt to change things for the better but the "brick wall" is too strong and too high.
This time, I fear, there may be terminal damage done to the company under Joyce and Clifford that cannot be repaired and permanent outsourcing for heavy maintenance will take place due to lack of staff. Middle manager attitudes toward their staff in the past will result in reluctance by redundant staff to return when recruiting begins.
I hope I am wrong on this part, but in the equation this time around is Boeing's argument about less maintenance and Joyce's hatred of LAME's.
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Boeing hired more MBA qualified guys to cut cost so CEO like AJ need not spent money on maintenance,guess what it backfired,if they hired more engineers 787 would not been in so much trouble
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Hey Paul, does Olivia know about this?
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The site has now been updated with the correct number.
And the poor AMEs have these idiots to represent them in EBA and redundancy negotiations.
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In Qantas Engineering, we call it Maintenix. Instead, it has cost OVER a quarter of a billion dollars, yes BILLION $$$$, and delivers HALF it's features.
Again, Qantas management have been taken for a ride and the only thing they can now deliver on, are redundancies.
In an IT situation it goes like this:
1. We buy a brand new $50 million IT system that the consultants say is going to save us, say 200 jobs.
1. We buy a brand new $50 million IT system that the consultants say is going to save us, say 200 jobs.
Again, Qantas management have been taken for a ride and the only thing they can now deliver on, are redundancies.
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Greater team,
In sydney maybe you need to get someone like me to run your port like i do here in Cairns. I have managed to pull the wool over G.H's eyes for years.
As our work keeps reducing (some nights we don't even have an aircraft for the whole shift) i have managed to keep my station manpower the same,even more importantly i have kept my dmm's position along with my subordinate notseW.
G.H has assured my employment no matter what happens.
Most weeks we manage to invent an article for the engineering weekly to illustrate how busy we are ,but i usually delegate the sending of emails because that task is well below me.
I recently distributed an email boasting station OTP (on time performance) and the closure of Maintenix packages before departure. Perth have slipped and had a couple of aircraft depart with packages open
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Here in Cairns we are 100% no aircraft have departed without closing the maintenix package ,but it's all about how you sell it though because we don't do A330's so therefore have never opened any Maintenix packages.
Perth really need to pick their act up, maybe i could sort that station out too.
In sydney maybe you need to get someone like me to run your port like i do here in Cairns. I have managed to pull the wool over G.H's eyes for years.
As our work keeps reducing (some nights we don't even have an aircraft for the whole shift) i have managed to keep my station manpower the same,even more importantly i have kept my dmm's position along with my subordinate notseW.
G.H has assured my employment no matter what happens.Most weeks we manage to invent an article for the engineering weekly to illustrate how busy we are ,but i usually delegate the sending of emails because that task is well below me.
I recently distributed an email boasting station OTP (on time performance) and the closure of Maintenix packages before departure. Perth have slipped and had a couple of aircraft depart with packages open
. Here in Cairns we are 100% no aircraft have departed without closing the maintenix package ,but it's all about how you sell it though because we don't do A330's so therefore have never opened any Maintenix packages.
Perth really need to pick their act up, maybe i could sort that station out too.
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Well Singgih,
You know how to sell a story,
Cover up a cargo door out of OOL one day and do a deal with Elma Fud,
Come to CNS,Get a Dmm's job and start creating storys with Notsew about all the good guys down to GH and bingo,CNS has all these bad bastards.
I would be watching out to make sure you are covered incase of a class action against you two
You know how to sell a story,
Cover up a cargo door out of OOL one day and do a deal with Elma Fud,
Come to CNS,Get a Dmm's job and start creating storys with Notsew about all the good guys down to GH and bingo,CNS has all these bad bastards.
I would be watching out to make sure you are covered incase of a class action against you two
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Hey Sngiggih,
I am sur Mr Nasti Team can use a calculator,
CNS 20 Staff,
Approx 3 mill a year in wages(maybe more)
Building Rent 100k
Income from contracts 400k
So Approx 2.7 M a year cost to QF to do 5 Transits a day.
Jetstar in CNS,
Fully Lic on all Qf types except A380.
Jetstar boys paid 5k per type,say B737.B767 already paid A330
So about an extra 200k a year in wages,add 1 mill customer charges from Jetstar to QF as a handling fee
that means a saving of big coin to the Qf group
And if JQ pick up CX and ANZ contract well it's even better.
You may have pulled the wool over GH eyes but for how long before someone higher unveils the scam
I am sur Mr Nasti Team can use a calculator,
CNS 20 Staff,
Approx 3 mill a year in wages(maybe more)
Building Rent 100k
Income from contracts 400k
So Approx 2.7 M a year cost to QF to do 5 Transits a day.
Jetstar in CNS,
Fully Lic on all Qf types except A380.
Jetstar boys paid 5k per type,say B737.B767 already paid A330
So about an extra 200k a year in wages,add 1 mill customer charges from Jetstar to QF as a handling fee
that means a saving of big coin to the Qf group
And if JQ pick up CX and ANZ contract well it's even better.
You may have pulled the wool over GH eyes but for how long before someone higher unveils the scam
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Righty Tighty
You have mentioned some things that have have been swept under the carpet for years.
By your name you are obviously someone on the tools and well below me and my exceptional management ability.
By your name you are obviously someone on the tools and well below me and my exceptional management ability.
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Yes we do residual sprays and wash aircraft with the staff we have. Other ports have specialised staff to do the same jobs. We won't talk about pay scales though.
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Hey Clipped,
I am sure you are the one in the office telling the workers that they need to wash aircraft to save your job,
Get a grip,nothing will save you in the end,and when you are out there in the world looking for work,every one knows who and what you have become,even your old Ansett mates don't like you!!!!
I am sure you are the one in the office telling the workers that they need to wash aircraft to save your job,
Get a grip,nothing will save you in the end,and when you are out there in the world looking for work,every one knows who and what you have become,even your old Ansett mates don't like you!!!!