Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!

[Tidbinbilla]

EAP is indeed contracted out for QF. Davidson Trahaire Corpsych is most likely where you'll end up. Other airlines use it as well

TID

[Jethro Gibbs]

EAP is indeed contracted out for QF. Davidson Trahaire Corpsych is most likely where you'll end
up.

Any who the mob who want rid of you are paying someone else they still want rid of you .

[Sunfish]

Going anywhere near DTC or an EAP is a one way ticket out of any company.

These programs are put there so that senior management does NOT have to consider the consequences of its actions on employee well being and mental health.

To put that another way; even if a senior manager is a psycopath these clowns will sweep up the bodies of his victims and get rid of them. That is what they are paid for.

I'm annoyed that I even heard that name again.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Qantas is one of Australia’s most prominent brands and offers its employees
exciting and diverse opportunities. Take your career to new heights!

You Have To Laugh they really Believe This

[Bagus]

Qantas group has 205 no of aircraft,and jetstar group has 100 over a/c,there must be a lot of engineers required,Is there a ratio of engineers to aircraft.

[Millet Fanger]

Boardman - Wake Up

some are in positions where they have to roll the dice & take what is right in front of them due to their situation

There are 204 engineers who will be in a "position" called unemployment, this will be a "situation" not of their own making but the making of managers who want to meet their KPIs so as to get a bonus.

It's bad enough for the 204 families (engineers, their partners and their children) knowing the trauma about to hit them is due to some economic ideological edict, but to know that some of your workmates have been assisting - that hurts!!

[Jethro Gibbs]

Is there a ratio of engineers to aircraft.

Yes Qantas wants NONE

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Yes Qantas wants NONE

No that is too many.

We were notified today by Qantas that they will be removing Engineers from driving and PIC duties for aircraft tows in Perth. The jobs to go to baggage handlers. If you think this doesn't affect you please give me a call and I will explain how. You will hear the following words -

precedent, divide and conquer, lies, safety management system, stage 2, unity, receipt, stage 3, dispatch, stage 4, delays, hold items, stage 5, Cat A, AME unions, Fair Work Australia and you're f***en next.

Please don't go out of your way to help them sack you.

Email from management below.


DearPaul / Steve,

As you may be aware, Engineering employees in Perth Line Maintenance have raisedissues with local management in relation to the level of towing activity beingperformed in Perth airport, and the pressure this has been placing on ourEngineering employees’ ability to acquit maintenance work.


In order to alleviate these issues, some towing activities will be transitionedfrom Engineering to Ground Operations. The transition will occur over thecoming months and local management will engage with employees from today inrelation to the transition. Your local union representatives will also beadvised shortly, if they haven’t been already.



After the transition, the distribution of towing activities in Perth LMO will be asfollows:

- Alltowing driving to be performed by Ground Operations;

- Allwing walking and marshalling to be performed by Ground Operations;

- AllPerson in Charge (PIC) to be performed by Ground Operations;

- Thecoordination of towing resources to be managed by Ground Operations; and

- AllFlight Deck Operator (FDO) will remain in Qantas Engineering.

To be clear, this is not a matter which we consider invokes any obligation toconsult with the ALAEA or other relevant unions. This decision is confined toPerth LMO and is based on the unique operational environment facing Perth LMO.The transition of towing activities will not result in any job losses, or anyother impact on Engineering employees whatsoever, either in Perth LMO or anyother port. The purpose of this email is simply to advise you of this change asa matter of courtesy.



Kind regards,



Simon Brown | IndustrialRelations Manager
Qantas Airways Limited

[Jethro Gibbs]

Simon Brown should learn where the space bar is

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Simon Brown should learn where the space bar is

Just they way it cut and pasted from an email into Pprune.

[Jet-A-One]

I'm surprised that many in line ports seem to think CR isn't and won't be their problem. Keep giving work away (towing, arrive/dispatch) and keep smashing the OT (often to do extra maint that would normally be done in SYD Base) and the axe will drop on you guys next. It's only a matter of time, and all your volunteers will be gone and replaced with interstate transfers.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Nobody is deciding to give work away. That is the doing of management.

Smashing the OT is an individuals decision though and it is costing others their jobs.

[another superlame]

Steve, how long until Nassenstein's tenure is up? I have heard rumours that he hasn't got long to go and his contract wont be renewed, but we don't have our hopes up.

Is there any other news in the pipeline? Is the forstaff last on first off going to be applied to Sydney?

[Jethro Gibbs]

So BNE is being setup to fail am I right thinking this .

[Jet-A-One]

Almost every PER LAME that I've spoken to is glad to get rid of the towing. WTF?

[ampclamp]

Almost every PER LAME that I've spoken to is glad to get rid of the towing. WTF?

If so, that is short sighted imho.

Long, long ago I learned that you never ever while your ar$e points to the ground give away work or complain about it to your boss, no matter how tedious, laborious, outside your favoured skill-set or otherwise. WE WILL NOT GET IT BACK! The job losses that will inevitably follow no matter what the letter says will bite us.

Their foot is in the door.

[Bagus]

Qf is hiring fixed term contracts in Bne,this is going to be norm now but **** condition,

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Steve, how long until Nassenstein's tenure is up? I have heard rumours that he hasn't got long to go and his contract wont be renewed, but we don't have our hopes up.

I don't know how their contracts work. He will not be a long term employee. In my opinion he will have destroyed the entire airline within 5 years and I consider him one of the most dangerous Aviation employees I have ever met. He has lied to my face and appears to disregard the basic rules of aviation safety and human factors (my honestly held opinion based on facts I am aware of and can substantiate).

Is there any other news in the pipeline?

Not specifically. I am trying to get to other ports to run some meetings in Line stations. Some people out there think that changes won't effect them. They've even asked if we can stop transfers to their station of Sydney LAMEs who would otherwise be made redundant to "protect their own buffer zones". Same blokes are carving up the overtime of course.

Is the forstaff last on first off going to be applied to Sydney?

No the EBAs are different.

So BNE is being setup to fail am I right thinking this .

Correct you are. The first meeting we had after they announced Bne to be the one super maintenance facilty with mel closed I asked the following question to Tony Lowrey, head of Qantas HM.

So, 737 HM will be done in Bne now. How many LAMEs will you need for that?

His answer?

We're not sure

Almost every PER LAME that I've spoken to is glad to get rid of the towing. WTF?

Whoever said this is clearly not talking to Per LAMEs. If they were to implement it though it will be a circus.

Qf is hiring fixed term contracts in Bne,this is going to be norm now but **** condition,

It will be for AMEs. The LAME EBA offers protections to prevent the practice. Don't worry they will think of another way to bypass secure employment.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Is the Forstaff last on first off going to be applied to Sydney?

Fact is they are now trying to get out of this at Avalon now and cherry pick .

[aveng]

RE. towing in Perth,
The wedge is being driven by management, the AME's are doing most of the towing - and are frankly really cheesed off. The amount of towing truly is ridiculous. Management have told them there will be no career transition to LAME. So the local manager is really playing up to the AME's about giving up the towing, telling them they will be doing more maintenance work. Cough.....bullsh!t. There will be no more maintenance whilst a/c are being transport all over the airport.

Steve the key to this is the AME's.