Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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ALAEA is undoubtedly the best union for us ame's. Unfortunately the company won't have a bar of it.
It's no secret that the alliance unions (cepu etc) are as spineless as bat sh*t (excluding our delegates on the floor), which is reflected in their lack of communication during this whole process (and the bargaining processes). They (the alliance unions) talk the talk, but don't walk the walk as Steve and his delegates do.
What the company want, is what the alliance gives, but not before sending out a couple of emails voicing their supposed 'opposition'.
Ame's shouldn't be expecting much defence/protection from the alliance as we cop the biggest hiding of 'em all in this round.
Given the company's emphasis on eQ quals, I'd say that this would hold significant weighting in the determination of who to make CR. I'd also say that years of service/time in section would have less significance, if any at all. Of course it's guess work
It's no secret that the alliance unions (cepu etc) are as spineless as bat sh*t (excluding our delegates on the floor), which is reflected in their lack of communication during this whole process (and the bargaining processes). They (the alliance unions) talk the talk, but don't walk the walk as Steve and his delegates do.
What the company want, is what the alliance gives, but not before sending out a couple of emails voicing their supposed 'opposition'.
Ame's shouldn't be expecting much defence/protection from the alliance as we cop the biggest hiding of 'em all in this round.
Given the company's emphasis on eQ quals, I'd say that this would hold significant weighting in the determination of who to make CR. I'd also say that years of service/time in section would have less significance, if any at all. Of course it's guess work
It is clear that the ALAEA is certainly the appropriate union to cover A License and could also be argued that AME coverage is appropriate too.
If you feel you are not getting value from your membership to AWU/AMWU/CEPU you can resign.
I was under the impression that freedom of association laws allowed you to join any union or association that you like.
It astounds me that the AME unions think it is in their members best interest to fight for coverage of the A License. Surely anyone can see that splitting the certifying staff across multiple unions is a sure fire plan for industrial impotence for all.
Their claim that 'the A License AME is not a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, they are an AME with a License' is laughable and defies reasonable thinking.
Seems to be more about the irresistible effect of ego at the higher levels rather than good strategy.
Regardless of what you think about the ALAEA, history shows that they are one of the most industrially strong unions/associations in aviation. This strength has translated to EB outcomes that have subsequently been piggybacked on by other unions in their agreements.
If the ALAEA loses its industrial strength by the AME unions wresting A License coverage from them, every union, and therefore every member, loses. Simple as that.
The Sydney Redundancies are a stark example of what an industrially weak future holds.
IMHO.
If you feel you are not getting value from your membership to AWU/AMWU/CEPU you can resign.
I was under the impression that freedom of association laws allowed you to join any union or association that you like.
It astounds me that the AME unions think it is in their members best interest to fight for coverage of the A License. Surely anyone can see that splitting the certifying staff across multiple unions is a sure fire plan for industrial impotence for all.
Their claim that 'the A License AME is not a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, they are an AME with a License' is laughable and defies reasonable thinking.
Seems to be more about the irresistible effect of ego at the higher levels rather than good strategy.
Regardless of what you think about the ALAEA, history shows that they are one of the most industrially strong unions/associations in aviation. This strength has translated to EB outcomes that have subsequently been piggybacked on by other unions in their agreements.
If the ALAEA loses its industrial strength by the AME unions wresting A License coverage from them, every union, and therefore every member, loses. Simple as that.
The Sydney Redundancies are a stark example of what an industrially weak future holds.
IMHO.
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Spot on, Talkwrench!
I would be surprised if AMEs hold any more than 10% of the A Licenses handed out. Be sure Qantas will want to divide so as to conquer, but when the spoils are handed out AMEs will be few and far between. Watch to see what the baggage chuckers will get. (The non TWU ones, that is).
You want proof, have a look at what is happening in PER. LAME / AME, almost the same thing through management's eyes. AMEs weren't spared in the current SYD round of CRs either.
It's not about cheap labour, it's about non unionised labour that is not on Qantas' books - fixed term labour hire contracts or casual.
But there is hope. Years of distain by Qantas Group management is starting to bear fruit. Disengagement numbers are up, goodwill is dropping (even from the more "company orientated" employees). Pressure is coming from above, QE management numbers are starting to be culled - watch this space!!!!
You want proof, have a look at what is happening in PER. LAME / AME, almost the same thing through management's eyes. AMEs weren't spared in the current SYD round of CRs either.
It's not about cheap labour, it's about non unionised labour that is not on Qantas' books - fixed term labour hire contracts or casual.
But there is hope. Years of distain by Qantas Group management is starting to bear fruit. Disengagement numbers are up, goodwill is dropping (even from the more "company orientated" employees). Pressure is coming from above, QE management numbers are starting to be culled - watch this space!!!!
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I heard the managers are now telling their ports not to upset any of the guys thinking of moving by talking about future redundancies at the LMO ports. What b*llsh*t are they feeding these poor guys.
I hear now that the manager of SAM is giving personal phone calls to his lads asking them to come in on their days off. Things must be really tightening up.
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Yes Cow17, Just got an SMS for overtime where the wording has changed from what was the standard request of:
""O/T is req'd for XXX shift"
To
"We have an operational need for O/T Day/night tomorrow. Your roster indicates that you are able to work an O/T shift at that time."
Things must be starting to hurt. Don't forget, if we can show them the system is bad enough now, it will be total chaos when they get rid of 30% of us. Don't bend over and make their system work. When they line up the final redudancies and they're gone it will be too late.
Apparently the wording alteration was requested by SAM Manager
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
""O/T is req'd for XXX shift"
To
"We have an operational need for O/T Day/night tomorrow. Your roster indicates that you are able to work an O/T shift at that time."
Things must be starting to hurt. Don't forget, if we can show them the system is bad enough now, it will be total chaos when they get rid of 30% of us. Don't bend over and make their system work. When they line up the final redudancies and they're gone it will be too late.
Apparently the wording alteration was requested by SAM Manager
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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Things must be very bad. I received the same text, and they haven't "invited" me to come in and "assist" for about 4 months. The ban on inviting me in, by certain planners, must be all forgotten now.
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ALG group,Chand McLeod,QF ,all advertising for AME contractors in BNe for the disaster decision that they have made and thanks to AWU for allowing this to happen,get rid of perm and rehire them as contractors or casual.
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Just a few things about the ALAEA and those of you who rightfully want us all in one union.
Fully agree.
Not stone but some interim Federal court orders. Its just means we can't represent right now even though we do have many AME members. We can however give as much advice as any AME needs and essentially tell them to say exactly what we would have as union Reps.
ALAEA also has an application in with FWA to have our rules changed to cover all Aircraft Engineers without restrictions.
Every AME should be in the LAME union,as these AWU is never interested in aircraft worker.one aircraft engineering union.
Where is it written in stone that AMEs cannot be represented by the union of "their" choice?
ALAEA also has an application in with FWA to have our rules changed to cover all Aircraft Engineers without restrictions.
"operational need"? Hmmmmmm, that sounds like legalese
all ports doing max o/t ,so where is the saving
You don't have to give them what they want on a platter and in the end, you may be successful. Best of luck and be smart about it all.
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This is AWU alliance charter
1) Genuine engagement on fleet and maintenance planning
2) A commitment to maintaining aircraft in Australia
3) On going skills Training and Quality jobs
4) infrastructure investment
5) a plan to take maintenance advantage in Asia pacific
The alliance is calling on qantas
1. Guarantee heavy maintenance of the A380 and B787 fleet will be carried out in Australia.
2. Establish a working group with the airline and unions, with both parties engaging with government for Australia to become a maintenance hub.
3. Ensure the continuation of heavy maintenance facilities and commit to capital expenditure and infrastructure spending.
THE ALLIANCE IS DEAD AND GONE
1) Genuine engagement on fleet and maintenance planning
2) A commitment to maintaining aircraft in Australia
3) On going skills Training and Quality jobs
4) infrastructure investment
5) a plan to take maintenance advantage in Asia pacific
The alliance is calling on qantas
1. Guarantee heavy maintenance of the A380 and B787 fleet will be carried out in Australia.
2. Establish a working group with the airline and unions, with both parties engaging with government for Australia to become a maintenance hub.
3. Ensure the continuation of heavy maintenance facilities and commit to capital expenditure and infrastructure spending.
THE ALLIANCE IS DEAD AND GONE
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Paul Howes is the leader of the other maintenance unions. While holidaying earlier this month in France with Olivia it is rumoured that he said to her - You better save all the Engineering jobs baby or I will leave you
Surely she wouldn't want to risk losing him. That's why the alliance unions have been so successful.
Surely she wouldn't want to risk losing him. That's why the alliance unions have been so successful.
