Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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The biggest challenge.
No, they don't do that.
Their biggest challenge is to justify their own job. The yardstick that is used to measure performance above others is the savings in their department. The easiest way to get under budget is to reduce staff. The remaining staff soldier on under duress believing that any one of them could be NEXT.
Meanwhile, management meetings become mutual admiration societies soaking in their self belief and bonuses before planning the next staff reduction.
Upper management KPI's are similar except there's fewer staff from which to choose, so the KPI's are set lower e.g turn up for work, attend the minimum number of meetings, ensure lunches include 1986 Grange, tick off the monthly meeting location from the international sites ensuring that the same location isn't used twice in a year. Whew..!, the pressure is amazing.
Their biggest challenge is to justify their own job. The yardstick that is used to measure performance above others is the savings in their department. The easiest way to get under budget is to reduce staff. The remaining staff soldier on under duress believing that any one of them could be NEXT.
Meanwhile, management meetings become mutual admiration societies soaking in their self belief and bonuses before planning the next staff reduction.
Upper management KPI's are similar except there's fewer staff from which to choose, so the KPI's are set lower e.g turn up for work, attend the minimum number of meetings, ensure lunches include 1986 Grange, tick off the monthly meeting location from the international sites ensuring that the same location isn't used twice in a year. Whew..!, the pressure is amazing.
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It's always the case.
They just don't have the ability to see what staff numbers in all categories are required to effectively complete the maintenance plan.
That's why there may be surprises during the progress of the redundancy. But that's not saying there will be.....just the reason if there is.
Avalon is different in that the vast majority are Forstaff contractors and the place will close down Qantas numbers are minimal to be affected and it's my understanding VR and transfers will take care of that.
They just don't have the ability to see what staff numbers in all categories are required to effectively complete the maintenance plan.
That's why there may be surprises during the progress of the redundancy. But that's not saying there will be.....just the reason if there is.
Avalon is different in that the vast majority are Forstaff contractors and the place will close down Qantas numbers are minimal to be affected and it's my understanding VR and transfers will take care of that.
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Forstaff employees are not contractors they are fulltime employees of Forstaff and Forstaff is a contractor to Qantas there one and only customer ever so when Qantas goes Forstaff have no Business and there only facility on site is a rented office they do not own any tooling or equipment apart for some computers a couple of pens and a paper clips .
AS for the Talk of so called Re Training this is nothing more than seeing a Centrelink Job search contractor most of who which won the contract because they bid the lowest price to the Government and are next to Useless .
AS for the Talk of so called Re Training this is nothing more than seeing a Centrelink Job search contractor most of who which won the contract because they bid the lowest price to the Government and are next to Useless .
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You can add Singapore to that list, and SIAEC, SASCO, and ST Aerospace are always looking for good people.
Its true a full B1 on 777, 330 and 320 would help, especially for line.
But SIAEC and the others would possibly accept a single type rating for heavy maintenance, and you dont need B1 to work in the shed.
If anybody is interested email [email protected] they are recruiting for line and heavy in Singapore and Heavy in Shanghai.
For general info your welcome to email me at [email protected]
Cheers !
You can add Singapore to that list, and SIAEC, SASCO, and ST Aerospace are always looking for good people.
Its true a full B1 on 777, 330 and 320 would help, especially for line.
But SIAEC and the others would possibly accept a single type rating for heavy maintenance, and you dont need B1 to work in the shed.
If anybody is interested email [email protected] they are recruiting for line and heavy in Singapore and Heavy in Shanghai.
For general info your welcome to email me at [email protected]
Cheers !
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Jethro,
Yes, you are right in describing the Forstaff people as full time employees of Forstaff.
I did mean to say that Forstaff Aviation was the contractor to Qantas rather than describing the staff as contractors.
My apologies on that. As I was typing it just came out differently to what I was intending to say.
Yes, you are right in describing the Forstaff people as full time employees of Forstaff.
I did mean to say that Forstaff Aviation was the contractor to Qantas rather than describing the staff as contractors.
My apologies on that. As I was typing it just came out differently to what I was intending to say.
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To really assist people continue their career and improve their re-employment chances they should have run A380 / A330 courses at no cost for the guys stuck with less desirable licences.
Company picks up the tab for the course, attendees cover their costs, now that's releasing people with best intent.
MP.
Company picks up the tab for the course, attendees cover their costs, now that's releasing people with best intent.
MP.
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Just emailed AJI. No positions unless you have A320/A330 or B777. I do not know if you know that MAS have shed all the contractors and expats. Singapore only want you with A330/B777 or A380. They have no more B744. Massive volume of guys in Asia with lots of types and no jobs.......
Like I said previously, I would seriously look at a new career depending on how deep in you are. The industry world wide has been crippled.
Just emailed AJI. No positions unless you have A320/A330 or B777. I do not know if you know that MAS have shed all the contractors and expats. Singapore only want you with A330/B777 or A380. They have no more B744. Massive volume of guys in Asia with lots of types and no jobs.......
Like I said previously, I would seriously look at a new career depending on how deep in you are. The industry world wide has been crippled.
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I will check with AJI.
They did have B744 positions in SIAEC and Shanghai Heavy Maint.
Yes you will need a B1 on 320,330 or 777 for line.
There are still expats working at MAS, and AJI do still have contacts in KL.
HAECO were also advertising for B1s recently on Aviation Job Search | jobs | Choose from 1,340 live vacancies and flightglobaljobs.com
The only other options would be EK,EY and QR, but they generally want an A330 or B777 also.
GLTA !
I will check with AJI.
They did have B744 positions in SIAEC and Shanghai Heavy Maint.
Yes you will need a B1 on 320,330 or 777 for line.
There are still expats working at MAS, and AJI do still have contacts in KL.
HAECO were also advertising for B1s recently on Aviation Job Search | jobs | Choose from 1,340 live vacancies and flightglobaljobs.com
The only other options would be EK,EY and QR, but they generally want an A330 or B777 also.
GLTA !
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At a guess i would say this is HAECO, you can check there website direct also.
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Main Duties:
Plan, lead and supervise aircraft maintenance checks;
Identify and rectify problems and defect;
Coordinate and interact with various departments to accomplish maintenance work;
Establish and maintain good business relationship with customers; and
Any other duties as assigned
The successful candidates will have a valid JAR-66 B1 or ICAO Type II Licence with type ratings on 3 or more of the following aircraft types:
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B1 Licensed Engineers - Hong Kong
We are currently recruiting a number of B1 Licensed Engineers for one of our clients in Hong Kong on an initial two year contract which could be extended. This is an ongoing recruitment effort and we will be looking for staff up until Mid 2013. Get your application started now so you don't miss out later!
Main Duties:
Plan, lead and supervise aircraft maintenance checks;
Identify and rectify problems and defect;
Coordinate and interact with various departments to accomplish maintenance work;
Establish and maintain good business relationship with customers; and
Any other duties as assigned
The successful candidates will have a valid JAR-66 B1 or ICAO Type II Licence with type ratings on 3 or more of the following aircraft types:
B747-400 with RB211/PW4000/CF6
B777 with Trent/GE90
B747-200/300 with RB211/JT9/CF6
A330 with Trent
A340 with CFM56
A320 with V2500
Candidates must have a minimum of 8 years experience in all aspects of aircraft maintenance including servicing, inspections, defect troubleshooting, repair and rectification, and maintenance certification; and willingness to attend shift duties as assigned to meet operational requirements.
In return, our client offers the following:
Very competitive Salary
28 Days annual leave
Insurances
Education Subsidies
Medical and Dental Health Scheme
Bonuses
If you are interested, then please apply by sending the following documentation to Sam Rice ([email protected]) ASAP:
Licence
Passport
EWIS
HF
FTS
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Recruiter Gulf Aviation Technology [995635] Posted11 November 2012 Ref GATCO AD 002 Location Middle East Sector Aircraft, Airport, Maintenance, Licensed Maintenance - Base, Licensed Maintenance - Line Job Role Engineers, Avionics Engineer, Mechanic, B1 Licensed Engineer, B2 Licensed Engineer Contract Type Permanent Hours Full Time Aircraft Type Airbus, A300 - 600 (GE CF6), A300 - 600ST, A318 / A319 / A320 / A321, A330, A340, A380, Boeing, DC-8, DC-9, MD-80, DC-10 / MD-10, MD-11, 737-100 / 0200, 737-300 / 400 / 500, 737-600 / 700 / 800 / 900, 747-100, 747-200/300, 747-400, 757-200 / 300, 767-200 / 300, 777-200 / 300, Embraer, 170, 175, 190 Salary Up to USD 70,000 per annum plus benefits
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He will be responsible to carry out the following duties:
• Maintain the aircraft in accordance with an approved Maintenance Schedule.
• Ensure due maintenance is performed on all aircraft in a timely manner in order to meet the Flight Schedule.
• Maintain Continued Airworthiness across the fleet.
• Ensure proper troubleshooting is carried out to justify all parts replacements.
• Be proactive in working closely with the other employees to ensure smooth and safe operation of the Airline.
• Ensure all mandatory occurrence, accident, incident and delay reports are filed as required.
• Lead by example, provide motivation and support your team.
• Provide technical guidance and assistance to subordinates.
• Provide floor level training and support to juniors.
• Ensure a high level of safety standards are maintained within the immediate working area and within the organization.
• Ensure proper tooling, calibrated equipment and work stands are used at all times without any mishandling.
• Return all removed and unused parts, tools and equipment to stores with proper labeling and report any malfunctioning equipment.
• Ensure all maintenance work carried out under his supervision is certified and recorded in accordance with the regulations.
In order to be shortlisted for this position you must meet the following requirements:
Valid Licences: EASA, FAA, GACA, RP-ATO or ICAO type licences
Type rating required on Embraer 170/190, DC 10, MD 10, MD 80, B757, B767, B737 NG & Classic,Boeing 777, B747-100/200/300/400, A320, A330, A340, and Airbus 300 – 600. (must have 2 type ratings)
Minimum 5 years’ experience in Aircraft Line Maintenance.
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B1 & B2 Aircraft Licensed Engineer
Recruiter Gulf Aviation Technology [995635] Posted11 November 2012 Ref GATCO AD 002 Location Middle East Sector Aircraft, Airport, Maintenance, Licensed Maintenance - Base, Licensed Maintenance - Line Job Role Engineers, Avionics Engineer, Mechanic, B1 Licensed Engineer, B2 Licensed Engineer Contract Type Permanent Hours Full Time Aircraft Type Airbus, A300 - 600 (GE CF6), A300 - 600ST, A318 / A319 / A320 / A321, A330, A340, A380, Boeing, DC-8, DC-9, MD-80, DC-10 / MD-10, MD-11, 737-100 / 0200, 737-300 / 400 / 500, 737-600 / 700 / 800 / 900, 747-100, 747-200/300, 747-400, 757-200 / 300, 767-200 / 300, 777-200 / 300, Embraer, 170, 175, 190 Salary Up to USD 70,000 per annum plus benefits
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Gulf Aviation Technology is currently looking for B1 & B2 Licensed Aircraft Engineer for Embraer 170/190, DC10, MD10, MD80, B757, B767, B737 NG & Classic, Boeing 777, B747-100/200/300/400, A320, A330, A340, and Airbus 300 – 600 for our bases in Middle East.
He will be responsible to carry out the following duties:
• Maintain the aircraft in accordance with an approved Maintenance Schedule.
• Ensure due maintenance is performed on all aircraft in a timely manner in order to meet the Flight Schedule.
• Maintain Continued Airworthiness across the fleet.
• Ensure proper troubleshooting is carried out to justify all parts replacements.
• Be proactive in working closely with the other employees to ensure smooth and safe operation of the Airline.
• Ensure all mandatory occurrence, accident, incident and delay reports are filed as required.
• Lead by example, provide motivation and support your team.
• Provide technical guidance and assistance to subordinates.
• Provide floor level training and support to juniors.
• Ensure a high level of safety standards are maintained within the immediate working area and within the organization.
• Ensure proper tooling, calibrated equipment and work stands are used at all times without any mishandling.
• Return all removed and unused parts, tools and equipment to stores with proper labeling and report any malfunctioning equipment.
• Ensure all maintenance work carried out under his supervision is certified and recorded in accordance with the regulations.
In order to be shortlisted for this position you must meet the following requirements:
Valid Licences: EASA, FAA, GACA, RP-ATO or ICAO type licences
Type rating required on Embraer 170/190, DC 10, MD 10, MD 80, B757, B767, B737 NG & Classic,Boeing 777, B747-100/200/300/400, A320, A330, A340, and Airbus 300 – 600. (must have 2 type ratings)
Minimum 5 years’ experience in Aircraft Line Maintenance.
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Empire 4
I checked with AJI the 744 Heavy Maint job in Singapore is for B2 only.
Also the jobs in Shanghai are for EASA and FAA.
Its a shame CASA never demanded reciprocal arrangements for Aussies to convert from CASA to EASA ! The FAA converion may be a bit easier?
Silkair will be getting 737-800 in 2014, but I have no idea of possible job vacancies if any at this stage.
GLTA !
Also the jobs in Shanghai are for EASA and FAA.
Its a shame CASA never demanded reciprocal arrangements for Aussies to convert from CASA to EASA ! The FAA converion may be a bit easier?
Silkair will be getting 737-800 in 2014, but I have no idea of possible job vacancies if any at this stage.
GLTA !
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I am an old bloke like you, there are plenty of older blokes who may find a job overseas to finish up their career.
My dad was a farmer, his advice was to go out and get a trade, glad I did.
Hopefully i can survive a few more years and then call it a day.
My advice to any young blokes out there would be to retrain if possible, but easier said then done !
If aviation is in your blood then good luck, keep training and upgrading your licences if and when possible.
There is a big aviation world out there, but sadly I think the good days are gone.
GLTA !
My dad was a farmer, his advice was to go out and get a trade, glad I did.
Hopefully i can survive a few more years and then call it a day.
My advice to any young blokes out there would be to retrain if possible, but easier said then done !
If aviation is in your blood then good luck, keep training and upgrading your licences if and when possible.
There is a big aviation world out there, but sadly I think the good days are gone.
GLTA !
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It's all going to happen again in March. Then we can start the thread all over again. Then there will probably be another round before next Christmas. Will it ever end. Probably not.
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exactly Arnold E, we all know you can pay $6000+ for the theory. Getting the PCT is a different story. Where are you going to get the certifying experience from?
These companies that you listed QF22, whilst I agree they are a job, want experience on the aircraft. GAT is in Saudi Arabia. Even I wouldn't go there. I sure as sh!t know not many Aussie wives would either.
These companies that you listed QF22, whilst I agree they are a job, want experience on the aircraft. GAT is in Saudi Arabia. Even I wouldn't go there. I sure as sh!t know not many Aussie wives would either.
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Nothing is impossible, i did the 737,738 and A320 myself and got the required SOE for the type rating. My 777 was a company approval that i eventually managed to add to my licence.
Agreed empire 4 there are jobs around, some better than others. If you want to stay in the industry you will chase the jobs, if not i guess its time for a new career.
At my age its too late for a change of career so hopefully i can stay in aviation for another 10 years and then retire.
Everybodys circumstances will be different, it is up to each individual to weigh it up and go whats best for themselves.
GLTA !
Agreed empire 4 there are jobs around, some better than others. If you want to stay in the industry you will chase the jobs, if not i guess its time for a new career.
At my age its too late for a change of career so hopefully i can stay in aviation for another 10 years and then retire.
Everybodys circumstances will be different, it is up to each individual to weigh it up and go whats best for themselves.
GLTA !
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I'm sure they would love to get rid of some dead wood and more costly employees without current types and other things that count as "redundant due to operational requirements" but not sure how they would go about it.
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Gday All,
It is will allot of sorrow that I read this thread, as I left the red rat 5 years ago after 18 years as a LAME in MEL and BNE HM. I chose to leave and to be honest I'm glad I did.
I spent several years working in the Middle East, Abu Dhabi was home. My wife found life there hard and was one of the reasons we left, money was another.
I have found work outside of the aviation world and would never go back, there is green grass on the other side of the fence, you just have to look for it, I ended up in the mining/gas/construction industry, it is allot of time away from home but the finances are good and the wife is happy. I'm still working on gas turbines CF6 derivatives to be exact and a whole lot of other machinery that I never dreamed I would work with.
Much of the advice on this thread is great, if you wish to stay in Aviation. I would like to offer mine in the hope that I may help one or a few of you guys back on your feet. For you guys as LAME's look outside the box, no one outside of aviation gives a rat’s toss about your LAME tickets, they count for naught, they do care about the responsibility you carried. They do care that you work in a highly skilled and technical position; lateral thinking is need when looking to get away. Think about all the skills that you have that are transferable to other fields, No one else works on Aircraft , they do work on control/instrumentation systems, gas turbines, hydraulics, pneumatics, supervision, planning, and your ability to carry out certifications, trouble shooting, just to name a few.
Get some help with your CV, pay someone to re-write it was worth the cash and time spent, more so if you want to get out.
Don't be afraid to use an employment agency they get paid to find people work by the employers; it’s in their best interest to get you a job.
Seek.com is your best friend, use the search functions. Once again think outside the box when using the key words function. DON’T USE LAME, use gas turbine, instrumentation technician if you’re a sparkie, outside of Aviation and engineer has a degree, some of you guys may but most don’t.
When I returned to Australia I was out of work for 3 months the first job I applied for outside of Aviation I got and I'm still here and very happy. Don't wait for VR/CR, if you want out; get out as soon as you can. Do your sums make some plans around your finances and run with it. There is so much work that you guys can be doing if you want to.
Finally Aviation is a small industry even on a global stage it is tiny, think outside the box, look over the fence. You have some very valuable skills that others will want to use. It’s just up to the individual.
If anyone wants to PM I will gladly speak, have a cold beer with, answer questions and offer any advice I can to help.
Best of luck to you all whatever you decide to do, look upon this as a chance to do something other than what you did yesterday, look to the positive as hard as it may be at times.
It is will allot of sorrow that I read this thread, as I left the red rat 5 years ago after 18 years as a LAME in MEL and BNE HM. I chose to leave and to be honest I'm glad I did.
I spent several years working in the Middle East, Abu Dhabi was home. My wife found life there hard and was one of the reasons we left, money was another.
I have found work outside of the aviation world and would never go back, there is green grass on the other side of the fence, you just have to look for it, I ended up in the mining/gas/construction industry, it is allot of time away from home but the finances are good and the wife is happy. I'm still working on gas turbines CF6 derivatives to be exact and a whole lot of other machinery that I never dreamed I would work with.
Much of the advice on this thread is great, if you wish to stay in Aviation. I would like to offer mine in the hope that I may help one or a few of you guys back on your feet. For you guys as LAME's look outside the box, no one outside of aviation gives a rat’s toss about your LAME tickets, they count for naught, they do care about the responsibility you carried. They do care that you work in a highly skilled and technical position; lateral thinking is need when looking to get away. Think about all the skills that you have that are transferable to other fields, No one else works on Aircraft , they do work on control/instrumentation systems, gas turbines, hydraulics, pneumatics, supervision, planning, and your ability to carry out certifications, trouble shooting, just to name a few.
Get some help with your CV, pay someone to re-write it was worth the cash and time spent, more so if you want to get out.
Don't be afraid to use an employment agency they get paid to find people work by the employers; it’s in their best interest to get you a job.
Seek.com is your best friend, use the search functions. Once again think outside the box when using the key words function. DON’T USE LAME, use gas turbine, instrumentation technician if you’re a sparkie, outside of Aviation and engineer has a degree, some of you guys may but most don’t.
When I returned to Australia I was out of work for 3 months the first job I applied for outside of Aviation I got and I'm still here and very happy. Don't wait for VR/CR, if you want out; get out as soon as you can. Do your sums make some plans around your finances and run with it. There is so much work that you guys can be doing if you want to.
Finally Aviation is a small industry even on a global stage it is tiny, think outside the box, look over the fence. You have some very valuable skills that others will want to use. It’s just up to the individual.
If anyone wants to PM I will gladly speak, have a cold beer with, answer questions and offer any advice I can to help.
Best of luck to you all whatever you decide to do, look upon this as a chance to do something other than what you did yesterday, look to the positive as hard as it may be at times.