AUGUST 24th - QANTAS
Just a thought on Longreach: if it's all above board and a genuine attempt to create a business and 'help' the displaced, why isn't there any transparency with respect to 'who we are'? If the principals are really 'good guys' as suggested, surely they should not have any problems with disclosure etc?
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Fair enough, couple of highly respected posters giving Longreach a wrap is good enough for me.
I'm going to make contact and see how it goes.
Ladies and Gents I ask you indulge me in a minor vent.
I think I'm beat. I"'m tired of feeling anxious all the time, bought my first home and settled on August 24, can you believe it. It is bloody stressful just not knowing what my future holds, I'm sick of it. I'm sure I don't have a long term future here at Qantas. Luckily I'm single no kids (just a whingeing girlfriend who complains I'm away to much having a good time and boring when I get home). Morally I want to do the right thing by my pilot brothers and sisters . I want to maintain and grow my career, don't want to screw anybody just want to finish what I started and have worked bloody hard for. Neither do I want to sound like a sook but deadset I am mentally drained by all this ****. I know this has happened to plenty before me and will surely happen again, but it sucks thats for sure.
Bloody hell I do sound like a cry baby, didn't mean to just wanted to vent a bit. I have to toughen up. I have had a dream ride and I am gonna refocus and move onwards and upwards.
Mohican and Keg thanks for the intel re Longreach.
Fark I'm almost embarrassed with what I wrote above, I know blokes who are gonna be worse off than me due to family kids etc, but this has been on my mind and I wanted to get it out. No disrepect to anybody else, hopefully everybody gets a good outcome.
Couple of spoons of harden up coming my way.
Cheers and thanks for listening.
I'm going to make contact and see how it goes.
Ladies and Gents I ask you indulge me in a minor vent.
I think I'm beat. I"'m tired of feeling anxious all the time, bought my first home and settled on August 24, can you believe it. It is bloody stressful just not knowing what my future holds, I'm sick of it. I'm sure I don't have a long term future here at Qantas. Luckily I'm single no kids (just a whingeing girlfriend who complains I'm away to much having a good time and boring when I get home). Morally I want to do the right thing by my pilot brothers and sisters . I want to maintain and grow my career, don't want to screw anybody just want to finish what I started and have worked bloody hard for. Neither do I want to sound like a sook but deadset I am mentally drained by all this ****. I know this has happened to plenty before me and will surely happen again, but it sucks thats for sure.
Bloody hell I do sound like a cry baby, didn't mean to just wanted to vent a bit. I have to toughen up. I have had a dream ride and I am gonna refocus and move onwards and upwards.
Mohican and Keg thanks for the intel re Longreach.
Fark I'm almost embarrassed with what I wrote above, I know blokes who are gonna be worse off than me due to family kids etc, but this has been on my mind and I wanted to get it out. No disrepect to anybody else, hopefully everybody gets a good outcome.
Couple of spoons of harden up coming my way.
Cheers and thanks for listening.
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As you have said adsyj you have had a 'dream run'.
If you had not have you would realize that stringing things out and also creating uncertainty for future promotion etc etc is all standard playbook management tactics.
I think you are better to focus on your new home and your girl. I'm all for checking out options mate, but don't stress out.
If management read posts like yours they would be happy to see that their crap is working. It's not the end of the world, just chill out.
If you had not have you would realize that stringing things out and also creating uncertainty for future promotion etc etc is all standard playbook management tactics.
I think you are better to focus on your new home and your girl. I'm all for checking out options mate, but don't stress out.
If management read posts like yours they would be happy to see that their crap is working. It's not the end of the world, just chill out.
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I had dinner in a slip port a couple of nights ago with my crew and a 744 crew. Four of the six were actively looking for other jobs.
I wonder if anyone in senior management has bothered to total up the cost of training they have invested over the years in these guys... And how much of a free kick they are about to give their competitors?
How many tens of millions will be wasted.....??
If the costs could be quantified.... as a shareholder I'd join a class action in a nano second....
Alan, you and your sorry excuse for a Board have got to go.....
I wonder if anyone in senior management has bothered to total up the cost of training they have invested over the years in these guys... And how much of a free kick they are about to give their competitors?
How many tens of millions will be wasted.....??
If the costs could be quantified.... as a shareholder I'd join a class action in a nano second....
Alan, you and your sorry excuse for a Board have got to go.....
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ADSJY
NEVER apologise for what is a stressful and difficult situation.
Given the strong feeling and mounting evidence that Qantas is NOt going down the gurgler and instead propping up its LCC, you are justified in feeling the way you do.
NEVER apologise for what is a stressful and difficult situation.
Given the strong feeling and mounting evidence that Qantas is NOt going down the gurgler and instead propping up its LCC, you are justified in feeling the way you do.
adsyj,
Don't apologise, most of us are just totally over it. For what seems like years we have been at war with a self-serving board who spend more time and effort attacking their workforce than running the principle airline. Their pathetic attempt to try and force us all into Jetstar, on lesser conditions, continues to fail as they have underestimated what, above pay and promotion, it means to most of us to work in Qantas. They don’t get it and never will but will destroy the airline trying.
So few have actually gone to Jetstar it must be really frustrating their master plan, fact is most would prefer to leave and work for anyone else rather than yield assist in the destruction of our airline by these parasites who sit at their desks plotting whilst we are out flying, engineers fixing and FA’s serving. That the majority of politicians sit by and watch this all unfold is sadly hardly surprising.
Take to girlfriend out for a walk, it costs nothing, don’t talk about Qantas etc, just give yourselves a chance to relax.
Hopefully AIPA is up to the task otherwise the world doesn’t end we just will find ourselves working overseas. It will be sad to see Qantas go the way of Ansett but it looks like a 50-50 ATM, stuffed if I understand what world the major shareholders live in, Cloud Fairyland I think.
Think I’ll go and get me an A380 endorsement before I leave! (Fm)
Don't apologise, most of us are just totally over it. For what seems like years we have been at war with a self-serving board who spend more time and effort attacking their workforce than running the principle airline. Their pathetic attempt to try and force us all into Jetstar, on lesser conditions, continues to fail as they have underestimated what, above pay and promotion, it means to most of us to work in Qantas. They don’t get it and never will but will destroy the airline trying.
So few have actually gone to Jetstar it must be really frustrating their master plan, fact is most would prefer to leave and work for anyone else rather than yield assist in the destruction of our airline by these parasites who sit at their desks plotting whilst we are out flying, engineers fixing and FA’s serving. That the majority of politicians sit by and watch this all unfold is sadly hardly surprising.
Take to girlfriend out for a walk, it costs nothing, don’t talk about Qantas etc, just give yourselves a chance to relax.
Hopefully AIPA is up to the task otherwise the world doesn’t end we just will find ourselves working overseas. It will be sad to see Qantas go the way of Ansett but it looks like a 50-50 ATM, stuffed if I understand what world the major shareholders live in, Cloud Fairyland I think.
Think I’ll go and get me an A380 endorsement before I leave! (Fm)
as a shareholder I'd join a class action in a nano second
- FF's being shunted onto JQ - when they only wanted and booked (so they thought) QF
- Having to then pay for meals when placed on these flights?
- Having no response from QF when complaining about the above practices
I would have thought a number of high profile FF's would have had enough and directed questions to the ACCC perhaps?
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Mr Chow, Bucko and Mudskipper
Thanks for the supportive words and sage advice. I do feel a bit silly about my post and contemplated pulling it but I realise there are probably plenty of us feeling the same way and maybe others that are feeling stressed will also benefit from the support you blokes have shown.
Foolishly I have felt uncomfortable about raising this at work and I probably should have said something to a Skipper or Senior FO and I might not of ended up so bloody tense and out of sorts.
My girl is not really a whinger and I haven't been myself so it has been a bit rocky on that front, and that is my fault. The mortgage isn't that huge and I have saved hard but suddenly one day you look and the Bank Account is empty, replaced by a nice Unit with a mortgage attached and a message from QF that I can expect to lose my job. Blah. I admit it scared me.
Anyway I have had a swim and cleared my head a bit, going to take my lovely girl for dinner tonight and apologise for being a turd and just bloody well get on with it. There are plenty of people worse of than me.
Cheers again and it really does feel better just to get it out.
Thanks for the supportive words and sage advice. I do feel a bit silly about my post and contemplated pulling it but I realise there are probably plenty of us feeling the same way and maybe others that are feeling stressed will also benefit from the support you blokes have shown.
Foolishly I have felt uncomfortable about raising this at work and I probably should have said something to a Skipper or Senior FO and I might not of ended up so bloody tense and out of sorts.
My girl is not really a whinger and I haven't been myself so it has been a bit rocky on that front, and that is my fault. The mortgage isn't that huge and I have saved hard but suddenly one day you look and the Bank Account is empty, replaced by a nice Unit with a mortgage attached and a message from QF that I can expect to lose my job. Blah. I admit it scared me.
Anyway I have had a swim and cleared my head a bit, going to take my lovely girl for dinner tonight and apologise for being a turd and just bloody well get on with it. There are plenty of people worse of than me.
Cheers again and it really does feel better just to get it out.
Hey adsyj, you sound like you need someone to vent to in real life.
All blokes are allowed one person to tell their worries and stresses to, thats your missus
No problem with posting it on here but it's not as effective as cracking a cold beer and mulling it over with her. If you can do that then you'l feel heaps better straight away and an added bonus, she won't think you're a moody w@nker
I had one marriage where I made the mistake of keeping what was bothering me to myself and I'm in another one where things like that are a sort of interesting intelectual topic of conversation. The latter is working much better for me.
Have a good night out.
All blokes are allowed one person to tell their worries and stresses to, thats your missus
No problem with posting it on here but it's not as effective as cracking a cold beer and mulling it over with her. If you can do that then you'l feel heaps better straight away and an added bonus, she won't think you're a moody w@nker
I had one marriage where I made the mistake of keeping what was bothering me to myself and I'm in another one where things like that are a sort of interesting intelectual topic of conversation. The latter is working much better for me. Have a good night out.
Maybe not too much though, my wife spends more time reading this forum than I do and it really doesn't help at all.
I'm surprised more pilots arn't feeling the need to be so open, there has been a dramatic destruction of a future here in Australia. Heck I'd suggest half the reason for the Drug and Alcohol (DAMPS) course is because they know the stress they intended to put us under and wanted to cover their asses.
I guess you're living on the eastern beaches if your'e swimming and feeling like a turd. Perhaps use a pool instead
I'm surprised more pilots arn't feeling the need to be so open, there has been a dramatic destruction of a future here in Australia. Heck I'd suggest half the reason for the Drug and Alcohol (DAMPS) course is because they know the stress they intended to put us under and wanted to cover their asses.
I guess you're living on the eastern beaches if your'e swimming and feeling like a turd. Perhaps use a pool instead
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Guys and Gals ,
The good fight is being fought , but I wonder who is really listening , the public have a very short attention span . Could the campaign is becoming a tad stale ? Time to ramp it up, go for the media grabbing headlines .
"Qantas passengers stranded overseas , due to Pilot strike " Then again perhaps not . Time to be sensible and negotiate a way out that allows Pilots to come back again . What do you think ?
The good fight is being fought , but I wonder who is really listening , the public have a very short attention span . Could the campaign is becoming a tad stale ? Time to ramp it up, go for the media grabbing headlines .
"Qantas passengers stranded overseas , due to Pilot strike " Then again perhaps not . Time to be sensible and negotiate a way out that allows Pilots to come back again . What do you think ?
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That is exactly what I have been doing, bottling it up. I reckon it is either ego or embarrasment that my career is in trouble and there is a very real chance I might have to head overseas to continue. You give good advice
Mud
Nah I'm in Gods Country on the peninsular. The only thing any state govt has done for us was build the ocean outflow. Still plenty of turds but most of them are on land now
Anyway have truly appreciated the feedback and support. I'm still a little embarrassed letting it all hang out but you blokes have been great. Thanks again
That is exactly what I have been doing, bottling it up. I reckon it is either ego or embarrasment that my career is in trouble and there is a very real chance I might have to head overseas to continue. You give good advice
Mud
Nah I'm in Gods Country on the peninsular. The only thing any state govt has done for us was build the ocean outflow. Still plenty of turds but most of them are on land now
Anyway have truly appreciated the feedback and support. I'm still a little embarrassed letting it all hang out but you blokes have been great. Thanks again
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I am sure the guys and girls at PAN would have an ear to listen to things, possibly good for a sounding board to bounce ideas off or even look for any suggestions or ideas not thought of.
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ADSYJ you are actually in an enviable position , no kids the worlds your oyster , there is plenty of jobs overseas so you will never lose you house. You just may have to live in another country , you have a choice, QF is starting a new airline im sure theyll employ you and youll get a command quicker. Pay off your house quicker while its rented.
Its all progress.....
Its all progress.....
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