AUGUST 24th - QANTAS
Qantas has begun a $250 million project to bring its older Boeing 747 jumbo jets' interiors up to the standards of its Airbus A380 superjumbos.
The airline will upgrade the interiors of nine of its 747-400 aircraft, installing A380-style seats and improving in-flight entertainment.
“The new interiors will vastly improve the flying experience for tens of thousands of Qantas passengers every year,” CEO Alan Joyce said in a statement.
The airline will upgrade the interiors of nine of its 747-400 aircraft, installing A380-style seats and improving in-flight entertainment.
“The new interiors will vastly improve the flying experience for tens of thousands of Qantas passengers every year,” CEO Alan Joyce said in a statement.
And ... you can get a lie flat bed on Air Asia for a pittance of what QANTAS asks for.
Remember its already been stated that no B787's will be coming to Qantas.
Don't get me wrong, I can see the writing on the wall and I'm as cynical of Qantas management as the next guy but I have never seen that intention stated formally.
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Statement from FltOps briefings is that no 787's are slated for Mainline.
Of course, there will never be a Carbon Tax under this Government, either - so who knows?
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Statement from FltOps briefings is that no 787's are slated for Mainline.
Of course, there will never be a Carbon Tax under this Government, either - so who knows?
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Rumour has it-
The business plan of flying for the group is about to be released for the next five years and it will show NO 787s coming to mainline in that period. Infact it will show a net contraction of mainline with the already announced deferral (believe unofficially cancelled) A380 orders, the 747 fleet being reduced to 9, A330s returning from Jetstar to mainline, down side being the retirements of the 767 which will outweigh the gain from the Jetstar hand me downs. No net gain for 737 fleet either.
Massive expansion for you know who though!!!
The business plan of flying for the group is about to be released for the next five years and it will show NO 787s coming to mainline in that period. Infact it will show a net contraction of mainline with the already announced deferral (believe unofficially cancelled) A380 orders, the 747 fleet being reduced to 9, A330s returning from Jetstar to mainline, down side being the retirements of the 767 which will outweigh the gain from the Jetstar hand me downs. No net gain for 737 fleet either.
Massive expansion for you know who though!!!
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From reports
Growing Footprint in Asia
Jetstar Asia rapidly growing, S$6.9m EBIT
45% growth since FY09
Singapore base providing strong capability for future growth in Asia
Significant growth in China – now serving Haikou, Shantou, Macau, Hong Kong and
Taipei
Entry into Japan
Jetstar Pacific
Significant improvement in results – close to break even
Fleet transition commencing October 2010 – to common Jetstar A320 fleet
Market continues to grow rapidly
Above quotes from annual reports says it all really, its going to be massive !!!
Red bits highlighted to show return of capital LOL
http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...plementary.pdf
Page 61
Its there in 09/10 annual report for all to see
Jetstar Asia rapidly growing, S$6.9m EBIT
45% growth since FY09
Singapore base providing strong capability for future growth in Asia
Significant growth in China – now serving Haikou, Shantou, Macau, Hong Kong and
Taipei
Entry into Japan
Jetstar Pacific
Significant improvement in results – close to break even
Fleet transition commencing October 2010 – to common Jetstar A320 fleet
Market continues to grow rapidly
Above quotes from annual reports says it all really, its going to be massive !!!
Red bits highlighted to show return of capital LOL
http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...plementary.pdf
Page 61
B787 deliveries from mid-2012, with Jetstar
receiving the Group’s first 15 B787s to
support international growth
receiving the Group’s first 15 B787s to
support international growth
Its there in 09/10 annual report for all to see
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...down side being the retirements of the 767 which will outweigh the gain from the Jetstar hand me downs. No net gain for 737 fleet either.
Statements like that are just a smokescreen. Management are rolling the dice on Asian expansion. This is a massive gamble - it will either be a masterstroke or destroy Qantas.
To me, it looks like they can hide behind the massive growth for several years without being profitable, take out billions between senior managers and ride off into the sunset, leaving a the shareholder with a disaster. This is all about short term growth rates to justify huge bonuses.
Nunc est bibendum
Note too the age of the A330s returning to QF. Starting to reach the age where they become more maintenance intensive and thus require more $$$ to upkeep and less efficient to operate.
Note too that the original plan was the same for the 787s. J* operate them from new and then we start getting them (although that may be now the never never) when they're a few years old and again, closer to needing major maintenance.
Sacrificing the mainline carrier on the altar of the LCC.
Note too that the original plan was the same for the 787s. J* operate them from new and then we start getting them (although that may be now the never never) when they're a few years old and again, closer to needing major maintenance.
Sacrificing the mainline carrier on the altar of the LCC.
And ... you can get a lie flat bed on Air Asia for a pittance of what QANTAS asks for.
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Originally Posted by kellykelpie
Gee - so Air Asia can offer a better product for less money. Let's see, how do we compete with that?
/Sarcasm
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Gee - so Air Asia can offer a better product for less money. Let's see, how do we compete with that?
I picked random days in November (out 5th, back 23rd) ex Melbourne
Air Asia - Premium with lie flat seat, a dodgy meal and the one airline all the way to London and back ... $4700
Qantas - Business Promo with a lie flat seat (I assume), a premium meal and a change of airlines in Singers .... $12500
That $7000 can buy a lot of travel insurance and warm beer in London.
Tell me why I should still choose Qantas ....
You know it's interesting, there are many people that tell me I am overpaid, but to date nobody that is prepared to tell me how much they think I should be paid.
I'l have a crack Arnold, and I don't even know where you work, I assume yr an engineer. I'l preface it by saying that your employer needs to train you to a minimum standard and provide conditions that enable you to meet all regulatory obligations without undue fatigue or difficulty.
I think you should be paid $1 more than the amount at which you will leave in search of work elsewhere. (ie what the market thinks you're worth)
So by my book the salary should change depending on the demand for your skills, if the outfit down the road is willing to pay more, then you should be paid $1 more than it takes to keep you in your current job. (that doesn't mean $1 more than they are offering).
So what is Arnold worth? That depends on the labour pool he is part of. If the companies that need his skils can only draw from an Australian labour pool he'd be worth quite a lot. If they could access a global pool then he'd be worth significantly less.
What is happening to the labour market this decade?
I think you should be paid $1 more than the amount at which you will leave in search of work elsewhere. (ie what the market thinks you're worth)
So by my book the salary should change depending on the demand for your skills, if the outfit down the road is willing to pay more, then you should be paid $1 more than it takes to keep you in your current job. (that doesn't mean $1 more than they are offering).
So what is Arnold worth? That depends on the labour pool he is part of. If the companies that need his skils can only draw from an Australian labour pool he'd be worth quite a lot. If they could access a global pool then he'd be worth significantly less.
What is happening to the labour market this decade?
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Looks like mainstream Australia have worked out the real announcement of Aug 24th. Double profit, sack 1000 employees.
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Yep, when you get angry there's always someone who'll point out to you: karma.
Geoff Dixon certainly hasn't tasted what's coming to him through Karma and I doubt Buchannan or Joyce will taste it. Being sacked won't hurt them, they'll have already stashed away millions.
Gerry Harvey is a real piece of work, if you think the filth that departs the mouths of the above is bad have a listen to the musings of Harvey.
He has said in public that one of the things that holds businesses back in Australia is that we don't have a ready supply of illegal labour that will work for virtually nothing (i.e. Mexicans in the USA). This from a multi billionaire.
I love going to Harvey Norman stores, he has a huge range of goods that I can compare alongside each other. I then go home, research on the net the product and make a decision where I will buy. It doesn't matter if Harvey Norman are cheaper, I will never spend my money there.
When people start making principled decisions about where they will spend their money, karma will start to bite a few of these arseholes. In my view, Qantas is going to be taken to the brink before we get our airline back. I'm not going to spend my money there anymore. I will when the pigs with their noses in the trough are ousted.
I like a lot of what Borghetti at Virgin is doing. From my limited understanding of the pay deal at VA, he had personal involvement and a reasonable deal was struck that bettered employment conditions. All without the 'continual ****!ng whinge' that comes from Qantas management about how the sky is going to fall while on the other hand announcing record profits.
Yep, principled, values driven management. Let's hope that there's enough money in the tin until things turn around there.
Geoff Dixon certainly hasn't tasted what's coming to him through Karma and I doubt Buchannan or Joyce will taste it. Being sacked won't hurt them, they'll have already stashed away millions.
Gerry Harvey is a real piece of work, if you think the filth that departs the mouths of the above is bad have a listen to the musings of Harvey.
He has said in public that one of the things that holds businesses back in Australia is that we don't have a ready supply of illegal labour that will work for virtually nothing (i.e. Mexicans in the USA). This from a multi billionaire.
I love going to Harvey Norman stores, he has a huge range of goods that I can compare alongside each other. I then go home, research on the net the product and make a decision where I will buy. It doesn't matter if Harvey Norman are cheaper, I will never spend my money there.
When people start making principled decisions about where they will spend their money, karma will start to bite a few of these arseholes. In my view, Qantas is going to be taken to the brink before we get our airline back. I'm not going to spend my money there anymore. I will when the pigs with their noses in the trough are ousted.
I like a lot of what Borghetti at Virgin is doing. From my limited understanding of the pay deal at VA, he had personal involvement and a reasonable deal was struck that bettered employment conditions. All without the 'continual ****!ng whinge' that comes from Qantas management about how the sky is going to fall while on the other hand announcing record profits.
Yep, principled, values driven management. Let's hope that there's enough money in the tin until things turn around there.
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Originally Posted by 600
You've never experienced a rockwell collins IFE system then romulus.
That system would be the single cause of the greatest amount of stress I could imagine cabin crew face on aircraft with that ground breaking system.
That system would be the single cause of the greatest amount of stress I could imagine cabin crew face on aircraft with that ground breaking system.
Originally Posted by FBF
Sorry I missed the point completely. I don't speak marketingwanque.
Revisionism is a very powerful emotion, very few people look backwards with a genuinely critical view, we all remember the "good old days" which, in general, were more "normal" than "good". That's what the advert plays on, the feel good factor of what now seem like carefree days as kids when we didn't have to worry about job security, mortgages etc.
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Avalon gets contract for the 747's -250 jobs to go to Manila
"This is all about big investment in Australia" AJ
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