Which Qantas Does Leigh Clifford Work For?
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Deaf Ears and Consequences
Early on I used to highlight problems and provide solutions.I was taken aside and informed that I was negative and definitely not on the same page as management.
Monitoring increased and KPI reviews extended into four hours duration.
I can do without the stress.Now I just keep quiet.
The bullying by management allows them to tell their superiors that everything is wonderful,which it isn't.No one dares speak out for fear of consequences
Monitoring increased and KPI reviews extended into four hours duration.
I can do without the stress.Now I just keep quiet.
The bullying by management allows them to tell their superiors that everything is wonderful,which it isn't.No one dares speak out for fear of consequences
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hi ken,
that would not work well with QF.
in cabin crew ranks with QCCA and Jet* crew low wages and eventual disengagement would probably see a turnover greater than 50% each year. just not workable from the company point of view, some manager would lose their bonus due to the blowout in the training budget.
i don't know who my manager is, i don't care.
less than 7000 days to go. i hope.
that would not work well with QF.
in cabin crew ranks with QCCA and Jet* crew low wages and eventual disengagement would probably see a turnover greater than 50% each year. just not workable from the company point of view, some manager would lose their bonus due to the blowout in the training budget.
i don't know who my manager is, i don't care.
less than 7000 days to go. i hope.
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Clifford, Dixon and Engagement Surveys
Clifford is just another Dixon only taller.
He has the same sense of entitlement and has even more contempt for subordinates.As a staff member you may as well be an ant in his presence.
Dont hold your breath waitng for staff engagemnt to occur.If Clifford had seen the last Pulse survey he would know things are not rosy.From what he said at the AGM he either hasnt seen them or has treated them with contempt.
Why do they even have these surveys if they are not going to act on them ?
I will not be completing any more surveys if nothing is going to come of them
He has the same sense of entitlement and has even more contempt for subordinates.As a staff member you may as well be an ant in his presence.
Dont hold your breath waitng for staff engagemnt to occur.If Clifford had seen the last Pulse survey he would know things are not rosy.From what he said at the AGM he either hasnt seen them or has treated them with contempt.
Why do they even have these surveys if they are not going to act on them ?
I will not be completing any more surveys if nothing is going to come of them
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I Don't Give A ****e
Like other posters I was keen and would do whatever was asked of me.Those days are over.Sick leave is used to deal with stress.Company transport is used wherever possible.Drycleaning allowance is always maxed out.It never used to be this way but I get no recognition and lots of intimidation.So I do as management does: get in for my chop.Resistance is futile
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Thou shall load pockets
I agree with Firecat. If and where possible, do not work for Qantas but make Qantas work for you ! If you can squeeze, extract, milk, fiddle, rort or bleed anything extra out of the place go for it. In the very least if that doesn't make you rich it will at least make you feel satisfied. Every move or action you take should be aimed at feathering your own good and the good of the company comes last.
Management are leading by example - lining their own pockets at every corner so staff should do the same. And if you aren't in a position to do so then do everything you can to make sure management's pockets are hit hard. OTP bans should be implemented, no shift or roster extensions, do not try to minimise fuel burn or wear the same shirt twice or do a call-in, extra sickies and so the list goes. Do nothing above the absolute bare minimun... i'll drink to that !
Management are leading by example - lining their own pockets at every corner so staff should do the same. And if you aren't in a position to do so then do everything you can to make sure management's pockets are hit hard. OTP bans should be implemented, no shift or roster extensions, do not try to minimise fuel burn or wear the same shirt twice or do a call-in, extra sickies and so the list goes. Do nothing above the absolute bare minimun... i'll drink to that !
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Things cant be too bad at QF cause everyone is still going to work and there are people lined up to have a crack at working there.
The fact is that it doesn't matter if you work for a big company like QF or a small family owned company, there is always some fat cat boss that wants to bleed the staff dry and get the absoloute most out of them for every cent they pay you and they also want to give the customers the absoloute minimum they will tolerate to come back and use/buy the product on offer. I have worked in both scenarios and I have seen it happen.
I think some people posting on here about how bad things are at QF need to take a holiday and either relax and get over it or maybe even spend a couple of weeks working for someone else to realise that things are screwed no matter who you work for.
I understand that if all you have ever done is worked for QF and you have watched the place go south due to management greed and incompetence, that it a can be very upsetting, however you need to come back to reality and realise that it is no different anywhere else so make the most of what you have and save your energy for something else cause it isnt going to change no matter how much you and many others wish it would.
It is however nice to see that people do care enough about the company to be passionate enough to get the ****s about the way management ar running the place down.
The fact is that it doesn't matter if you work for a big company like QF or a small family owned company, there is always some fat cat boss that wants to bleed the staff dry and get the absoloute most out of them for every cent they pay you and they also want to give the customers the absoloute minimum they will tolerate to come back and use/buy the product on offer. I have worked in both scenarios and I have seen it happen.
I think some people posting on here about how bad things are at QF need to take a holiday and either relax and get over it or maybe even spend a couple of weeks working for someone else to realise that things are screwed no matter who you work for.
I understand that if all you have ever done is worked for QF and you have watched the place go south due to management greed and incompetence, that it a can be very upsetting, however you need to come back to reality and realise that it is no different anywhere else so make the most of what you have and save your energy for something else cause it isnt going to change no matter how much you and many others wish it would.
It is however nice to see that people do care enough about the company to be passionate enough to get the ****s about the way management ar running the place down.
Spoke to my neighbour yesterday about this topic and he said that the propblem he sees is the 'new management' the young ones with the big ego's who know everything (laugh) and have a great sense of entitlement.
He said that whilst it doesn't effect him as he has over 25 years of service now, he hates these new 'managers' who have the new management level staff travel priority when plenty of them don't even see out 5 years.
He asked me did I have any LSL trips remaining when I left QF and raised a very valid point and that was, why is it that when you are made redundant and have unused LSL trips, the associated priority goes to the bottom of the list when you have earned that entitlement. As he said, these young blow ins receive highter priority than say someone who was made redundant and put in for say 20 years of service. That certainly sounds very wrong to me and no doubt that was bought in by the likes of Dixon.
As he said, people who have been around for a while hate what the 'new management' are doing.
Is Qantas a good place to work? well it's only a survey but ! Great Place to Work® Institute
Do people want to work for Qantas? yet another survey shows:
"The survey of over 2,900 workers places Google in the top spot, with Virgin coming in second. Apple took fourth place, followed by Qantas, The Walt Disney Company, OMD, Sydney Water, Getaway and Coca-Cola." Survey reveals 73% of workers want to work somewhere else - Business news, business advice and information for Australian SMEs | SmartCompany
He said that whilst it doesn't effect him as he has over 25 years of service now, he hates these new 'managers' who have the new management level staff travel priority when plenty of them don't even see out 5 years.
He asked me did I have any LSL trips remaining when I left QF and raised a very valid point and that was, why is it that when you are made redundant and have unused LSL trips, the associated priority goes to the bottom of the list when you have earned that entitlement. As he said, these young blow ins receive highter priority than say someone who was made redundant and put in for say 20 years of service. That certainly sounds very wrong to me and no doubt that was bought in by the likes of Dixon.
As he said, people who have been around for a while hate what the 'new management' are doing.
Is Qantas a good place to work? well it's only a survey but ! Great Place to Work® Institute
Do people want to work for Qantas? yet another survey shows:
"The survey of over 2,900 workers places Google in the top spot, with Virgin coming in second. Apple took fourth place, followed by Qantas, The Walt Disney Company, OMD, Sydney Water, Getaway and Coca-Cola." Survey reveals 73% of workers want to work somewhere else - Business news, business advice and information for Australian SMEs | SmartCompany
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Perception
Wanting to work for Qantas and Working for Qantas represent two differing realities.
Airlines have always had a certain allure.Thats why there are always large numbers of potential recruits.The allure has nothing to do with Qantas.It just happens to be an airline
Two years ago a mate spoke to me about his son wanting to become a flight attendant.This kid like so many was starry eyed.I tried to talk him out of it.He would not be persuaded.Any way he got the job and lasted six months.Poor salary,sickness, fatigue and a broken romance finished it for him.His wage was so poor he couldnt meet his rent.He was home less than 7 days a month and could hardly drag himself out of bed when he was home.
The are two Qantas'.The Qantas before Dixon and the one after.The Qantas prior to Dixon was a family where everyone helped each other achieve the goal of being an excellent airline.The airline today is a fragmented mess with management pulling one way and staff another.I have come to the realization that it will never be fixed because management can't see that its broken.Employees have given up telling them that it is.
Whilever this situation exists Qantas will decline and will never be any better than an also ran outfit...if its not there already
Airlines have always had a certain allure.Thats why there are always large numbers of potential recruits.The allure has nothing to do with Qantas.It just happens to be an airline
Two years ago a mate spoke to me about his son wanting to become a flight attendant.This kid like so many was starry eyed.I tried to talk him out of it.He would not be persuaded.Any way he got the job and lasted six months.Poor salary,sickness, fatigue and a broken romance finished it for him.His wage was so poor he couldnt meet his rent.He was home less than 7 days a month and could hardly drag himself out of bed when he was home.
The are two Qantas'.The Qantas before Dixon and the one after.The Qantas prior to Dixon was a family where everyone helped each other achieve the goal of being an excellent airline.The airline today is a fragmented mess with management pulling one way and staff another.I have come to the realization that it will never be fixed because management can't see that its broken.Employees have given up telling them that it is.
Whilever this situation exists Qantas will decline and will never be any better than an also ran outfit...if its not there already
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I absolutely agree with the unfairness of accrued LSL trips having retired onload priority rather than the priority when the trip was earnt.
The problem of new hire lower management having higher priority than retirees is not new. The newest employee entitled to staff travel has always had a higher priority than the longest serving retiree. Unfair, but been around forever.
The problem of new hire lower management having higher priority than retirees is not new. The newest employee entitled to staff travel has always had a higher priority than the longest serving retiree. Unfair, but been around forever.
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Clifford is Another Visitor
Carried Clifford awhile ago.Unpleasant surly fellow who is obviously enjoying the benefits of being the chairman of an airline.
As far as staff travel is concerned forget it.A thirty year Captain got bumped by an IT newbie who had been with the company for 18 months.Apparently these new guys are employed on lower wages but are compensated by a higher stafftravel category.
Like other posters I dont give a toss but as has been pointed out most corporations are the same.
The glamour and benefits that outsiders see have long since disappeared.Like many i have enjoyed the good times and now simply tolerate the bad.
I thought Clifford and Joyce may provide a new level of staff engagement.After having met Clifford I realize that my hope was misplaced
As far as staff travel is concerned forget it.A thirty year Captain got bumped by an IT newbie who had been with the company for 18 months.Apparently these new guys are employed on lower wages but are compensated by a higher stafftravel category.
Like other posters I dont give a toss but as has been pointed out most corporations are the same.
The glamour and benefits that outsiders see have long since disappeared.Like many i have enjoyed the good times and now simply tolerate the bad.
I thought Clifford and Joyce may provide a new level of staff engagement.After having met Clifford I realize that my hope was misplaced
This doesn't help as well:
A punt on property offers rich rewards
"Following a strong ''no'' vote at last year's meeting, there was resounding support (about 99 per cent) for both Joyce's incentive plan and the remuneration report at Friday's meeting."
A punt on property offers rich rewards
"Following a strong ''no'' vote at last year's meeting, there was resounding support (about 99 per cent) for both Joyce's incentive plan and the remuneration report at Friday's meeting."
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ken,
even blind freddy can see from the above posts that the disengagment by staff would seem to be a problem caused by management. surely the managers responsible for this should be the people resigning/sacked and replaced with managers that can engage the staff and still be excellent managers.
then again maybe they don't exist, QF don't want them or can't afford them.
still waiting for the last pulse survey results to be published. maybe they couldn't find a pulse!!
even blind freddy can see from the above posts that the disengagment by staff would seem to be a problem caused by management. surely the managers responsible for this should be the people resigning/sacked and replaced with managers that can engage the staff and still be excellent managers.
then again maybe they don't exist, QF don't want them or can't afford them.
still waiting for the last pulse survey results to be published. maybe they couldn't find a pulse!!
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Newsflash!!
Qantas management do not,repeat do not,give a rats rissole about engagement or morale.They do these surveys just so they can say they have done them.Leigh Clifford is a bigger snouter than Dixon could ever be.Twenty Seven years of running Rio Tinto has taught him a lot about entitlement and the place of the little people(of which Joyce is one)
Thank you linesmen,thank you ball boys game over for Qantas and its staff
Thank you linesmen,thank you ball boys game over for Qantas and its staff
A lot of people in Qantas have never worked anywhere else, and so they always think they are getting a raw deal.
I agree that Clifford is just a new version of excrement, just when we thought the legacy of darth had ended along comes this idiot.
Have they not yet learned that if you treat your staff like crap, they in turn treat the companies customers like crap.
At least AJ has realised this very point and did seem to want to do something about it,but his new @rsehole sidekick is just kicking everyone on the guts again.
But back to my point at the beginning, the people who have never experienced anywhere else need to pull their heads out of the sand and look around, I agree QF is not the same company it used to be, but it still has its good points. And long after clifford the @rsehole has left we will still be here doing what we love to do.
If it is a bad as many staff say it is, move along because it is true that there are still more people who would love a chance to work at QF.
Just remember that the grass isn't always greener at Virgin or Emirates, QF may suck to you but I know DJ sucks even more
I agree that Clifford is just a new version of excrement, just when we thought the legacy of darth had ended along comes this idiot.
Have they not yet learned that if you treat your staff like crap, they in turn treat the companies customers like crap.
At least AJ has realised this very point and did seem to want to do something about it,but his new @rsehole sidekick is just kicking everyone on the guts again.
But back to my point at the beginning, the people who have never experienced anywhere else need to pull their heads out of the sand and look around, I agree QF is not the same company it used to be, but it still has its good points. And long after clifford the @rsehole has left we will still be here doing what we love to do.
If it is a bad as many staff say it is, move along because it is true that there are still more people who would love a chance to work at QF.
Just remember that the grass isn't always greener at Virgin or Emirates, QF may suck to you but I know DJ sucks even more
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Get Another Job
This term is now a management cliche.
Many stay in hope that the place will change or to simply to see off the arsehole who manages them.
Its always interesting to run into a former QF manager...they want to be your best mate...Guess what.....?they are always surprised when they find out that they were hated.......its our moral duty to point that out to them.
Jaimie Sinclair
Greg Balcombe
Dave Hinds have all been acquainted with the truth
Many stay in hope that the place will change or to simply to see off the arsehole who manages them.
Its always interesting to run into a former QF manager...they want to be your best mate...Guess what.....?they are always surprised when they find out that they were hated.......its our moral duty to point that out to them.
Jaimie Sinclair
Greg Balcombe
Dave Hinds have all been acquainted with the truth
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Just remember that the grass isn't always greener at Virgin or Emirates, QF may suck to you but I know DJ sucks even more
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It doesn't matter where you work, be it QF, JQ, DJ, EK, SQ, 3K, etc, there will be negatives and positives.
The hardest part of any longer term employment is to remain focused on the positives as opposed to the negatives.
I used to work at Ansett and recall when the AANZES inroads were underway and the negativity that came with it and went a long way to lowering morale. Not much fun!
Since those days if I start to feel I am being drawn into politics or start to focus too much on the negatives of whichever workplace I am at, I resign.
Health is far too important to spend your life immersed in negativity.
I am in no way suggesting that people at QF should resign if they are unhappy as that clearly does not suit the vast majority of people, however I am advocating the ideal of positive focusing.
It does work and the results will benefit you.
GB
The hardest part of any longer term employment is to remain focused on the positives as opposed to the negatives.
I used to work at Ansett and recall when the AANZES inroads were underway and the negativity that came with it and went a long way to lowering morale. Not much fun!
Since those days if I start to feel I am being drawn into politics or start to focus too much on the negatives of whichever workplace I am at, I resign.
Health is far too important to spend your life immersed in negativity.
I am in no way suggesting that people at QF should resign if they are unhappy as that clearly does not suit the vast majority of people, however I am advocating the ideal of positive focusing.
It does work and the results will benefit you.
GB