Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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8 months since start of EA negotiations began and nothing from QF except lies, bullying, deceit and mind-boggling BS in the media.
As part of Fair Work Australia's annual wage review, they have been handed a modest wage increase of $19.40 a week, 3.4 per cent increase to the minimum wage.
Qantas Engineere are branded greedy asking for 3%
Time for a new PIA vote.
As part of Fair Work Australia's annual wage review, they have been handed a modest wage increase of $19.40 a week, 3.4 per cent increase to the minimum wage.
Qantas Engineere are branded greedy asking for 3%
Time for a new PIA vote.
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What is the outcome when QE announce redundancies iaw our current EA?
I would guess there would be 300 Australia wide who are preservation age minus 18 months and may elect to take the money.
ALAEA revenue reduced
Less strength (numbers etc)
Are we fighting a losing battle due to the lack of training over the last 10 years?
Just a scenario? Any thoughts?
I would guess there would be 300 Australia wide who are preservation age minus 18 months and may elect to take the money.
ALAEA revenue reduced
Less strength (numbers etc)
Are we fighting a losing battle due to the lack of training over the last 10 years?
Just a scenario? Any thoughts?
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Title of this thread is Qf Lame Eba Negotiations Begin ! begin nothings happening given the news today nothing will any workforce left will be casual very casual but be available any time 7 days a week to do a max of 20 hours a in a week one question is do Qantas have enough cash to pay out everyone's entitlements.
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Ongoing battle at QLink brisbane
What only 8 months and not much buggery there yet.
Try 2 years - buggery didn't work.
Now just ignoring us - virtually no communication with company.
FedSec doing heaps in background but obviously getting no where.
Upper echelon aren't even coming up here to offer the pittance any more.
Probably just hoping we all just give up and leave like 11 already have - see if you wait long enough problem goes away !!!!
Try 2 years - buggery didn't work.
Now just ignoring us - virtually no communication with company.
FedSec doing heaps in background but obviously getting no where.
Upper echelon aren't even coming up here to offer the pittance any more.
Probably just hoping we all just give up and leave like 11 already have - see if you wait long enough problem goes away !!!!
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AJ is going to drive this bus off the cliff suggest all passengers get out and leave him to it.
More like jump out with a golden parachute
More like jump out with a golden parachute
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Jethro Gibbs says....
Get out of the bus now, hit the ground moving and hope for the best......
Stay on board, grit your teeth for the faked crash and claim your redundancy pay out.....
Or stay on board and hope that the driver and conductor are overpowered by persons more competent who will take control and drive us safely into the future.
AJ is going to drive this bus off the cliff suggest all passengers get out and leave him to it.
Stay on board, grit your teeth for the faked crash and claim your redundancy pay out.....
Or stay on board and hope that the driver and conductor are overpowered by persons more competent who will take control and drive us safely into the future.
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Stakeholders: Call to arms
When things get tough perhaps we could take the fight to the public and engage the stakeholders of HM to contribute to place full page adverts in national newspapers about the off-shoring Qantas is planning and the revenue being removed from communities.
The Australian public buy Qantas tickets only to see the expenses to maintain the aircraft go to overseas pay packets and foreign suppliers (That will be the scenario with the A380 & B787). Sure you know when you buy and Apple iphone it's a foreign based company. But surely buying a Qantas ticket means supporting Australia.
When is Ausbuy not AusBuy - when you buy a Qantas ticket. No exaggeration if AJ could off-shore all wages he would. He'd have all cabin crew from any country whose wages costs in real terms are less than Australia. Now we see his business acumen it's not exactly clever or unique. I recall Al Dunlop (The Chainsaw in the 80's) had similar talents, he ended up on the same heap he created just like this turd will. Think outside the square and engage your employees, extract the value we can all add to this company, sustaining profits does not need to be growth based, moving into someone else s' backyard thinking you can do it better is fraught with danger. You can jiggle the intragroup transfers for so long and then the pack of cards fall down.
The Australian public buy Qantas tickets only to see the expenses to maintain the aircraft go to overseas pay packets and foreign suppliers (That will be the scenario with the A380 & B787). Sure you know when you buy and Apple iphone it's a foreign based company. But surely buying a Qantas ticket means supporting Australia.
When is Ausbuy not AusBuy - when you buy a Qantas ticket. No exaggeration if AJ could off-shore all wages he would. He'd have all cabin crew from any country whose wages costs in real terms are less than Australia. Now we see his business acumen it's not exactly clever or unique. I recall Al Dunlop (The Chainsaw in the 80's) had similar talents, he ended up on the same heap he created just like this turd will. Think outside the square and engage your employees, extract the value we can all add to this company, sustaining profits does not need to be growth based, moving into someone else s' backyard thinking you can do it better is fraught with danger. You can jiggle the intragroup transfers for so long and then the pack of cards fall down.
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For a feel good story, our Cliffy has something to say. Hold on.
QANTAS chairman Leigh Clifford has slammed rumours of a rift with chief executive Alan Joyce as "absolute rubbish" and says there is no board dissension over the company's industrial strategy.
Rumours of a rift and reservations by some board members about the developing battle with the airline's pilots and engineers have been swirling around the industry along with speculation about changes at the top.
But in a forthright interview with The Weekend Australian, Mr Clifford moved to emphatically quash the rumours while emphasising the need for a major revamp of the carrier's beleaguered international operations.
He also attacked the leadership of the pilot and engineering unions for its failure to understand the competitive threats facing Qantas.
As Qantas shares yesterday slumped to $2.03, their lowest point in nearly two years, Mr Clifford said he had worked with Mr Joyce for three years, and as chief executive for two, and enjoyed working with him.
He said the board had discussed in detail the airline's industrial relations issues, particularly the nature of claims by the pilots and the engineers. He and Mr Joyce spoke regularly about the issue although he was "very conscious" the chief executive was running the business". He had also personally canvassed every board member as part of an annual review and given each an opportunity to raise concerns.
"The board is absolutely right behind Alan and very comfortable with how he's running the business," he said. "Now that doesn't mean we're happy with where the business is, but absolutely Alan and I are in lockstep."
Operations at Qantas international are under review as the long-haul airline continues to fail to make a return on capital in the face of increasing competition. At the same time, the airline is also facing industrial action by unions over job security issues.
Mr Clifford said the board was aware of the challenges facing the industry and the directors were "absolutely on the same page about the importance of making changes", including to the loss-making international airline.
"They understand the predicament of the international business and we are looking at alternatives," he said.
"And what I can assure you is it will be different going forward -- make no bones about it, it will be different going forward -- it cannot remain as it is."
Asked whether this included a full-service airline in Asia, Mr Clifford pointed to comments by Mr Joyce that alternatives were being considered.
"We're looking at a variety of alternatives and one of the discussions I've had with Alan is 'let's not constrain ourselves'," he said. "What we've got to do is have something which can ensure the viability of the business going forward and an adequate return on capital and that's not what we're getting at the moment. That's the best way to secure jobs. Writing pieces of paper is not the way to do it, whether you're in the auto industry or any other industry."
The Qantas chairman said he had briefed major shareholders on the airline's situation and they had rightly highlighted their concern about the airline's economic performance, particularly in the international business, as well as the lack of reality in union claims.
He said he was aware the union leadership was briefing analysts but "wise and experienced people" would know the union objective was to create concern and disharmony, and pressure management.
But management already had plenty of pressure from the share price, the profit performance and the encroachment of Emirates and AirAsia.
"We can handle the competitive environment, we can't do it sitting on our hands," he said "We've got to be creative, we've got to be thoughtful and we're willing to do that. That's how we'll respond to the share price and, frankly, I'd say every investor I've spoken to is right behind that."
Mr Clifford said he was also concerned that employees were being misinformed by their union leaders. He said anyone who understood what was going on in the aviation industry understood the magnitude of the challenges facing the company.
"Frankly, I've spent more time on some of those claims than the other board members in discussion with Alan," he said. "You have to say to yourself, 'What planet are these people on given the competitive environment?' Haven't they heard of AirAsia, haven't they heard of the challenges coming from Emirates, from Etihad, from Qatar.
"They only have to speak to Airbus so see what the order books look like to understand some of the challenges
There you are, feel better now?.
QANTAS chairman Leigh Clifford has slammed rumours of a rift with chief executive Alan Joyce as "absolute rubbish" and says there is no board dissension over the company's industrial strategy.
Rumours of a rift and reservations by some board members about the developing battle with the airline's pilots and engineers have been swirling around the industry along with speculation about changes at the top.
But in a forthright interview with The Weekend Australian, Mr Clifford moved to emphatically quash the rumours while emphasising the need for a major revamp of the carrier's beleaguered international operations.
He also attacked the leadership of the pilot and engineering unions for its failure to understand the competitive threats facing Qantas.
As Qantas shares yesterday slumped to $2.03, their lowest point in nearly two years, Mr Clifford said he had worked with Mr Joyce for three years, and as chief executive for two, and enjoyed working with him.
He said the board had discussed in detail the airline's industrial relations issues, particularly the nature of claims by the pilots and the engineers. He and Mr Joyce spoke regularly about the issue although he was "very conscious" the chief executive was running the business". He had also personally canvassed every board member as part of an annual review and given each an opportunity to raise concerns.
"The board is absolutely right behind Alan and very comfortable with how he's running the business," he said. "Now that doesn't mean we're happy with where the business is, but absolutely Alan and I are in lockstep."
Operations at Qantas international are under review as the long-haul airline continues to fail to make a return on capital in the face of increasing competition. At the same time, the airline is also facing industrial action by unions over job security issues.
Mr Clifford said the board was aware of the challenges facing the industry and the directors were "absolutely on the same page about the importance of making changes", including to the loss-making international airline.
"They understand the predicament of the international business and we are looking at alternatives," he said.
"And what I can assure you is it will be different going forward -- make no bones about it, it will be different going forward -- it cannot remain as it is."
Asked whether this included a full-service airline in Asia, Mr Clifford pointed to comments by Mr Joyce that alternatives were being considered.
"We're looking at a variety of alternatives and one of the discussions I've had with Alan is 'let's not constrain ourselves'," he said. "What we've got to do is have something which can ensure the viability of the business going forward and an adequate return on capital and that's not what we're getting at the moment. That's the best way to secure jobs. Writing pieces of paper is not the way to do it, whether you're in the auto industry or any other industry."
The Qantas chairman said he had briefed major shareholders on the airline's situation and they had rightly highlighted their concern about the airline's economic performance, particularly in the international business, as well as the lack of reality in union claims.
He said he was aware the union leadership was briefing analysts but "wise and experienced people" would know the union objective was to create concern and disharmony, and pressure management.
But management already had plenty of pressure from the share price, the profit performance and the encroachment of Emirates and AirAsia.
"We can handle the competitive environment, we can't do it sitting on our hands," he said "We've got to be creative, we've got to be thoughtful and we're willing to do that. That's how we'll respond to the share price and, frankly, I'd say every investor I've spoken to is right behind that."
Mr Clifford said he was also concerned that employees were being misinformed by their union leaders. He said anyone who understood what was going on in the aviation industry understood the magnitude of the challenges facing the company.
"Frankly, I've spent more time on some of those claims than the other board members in discussion with Alan," he said. "You have to say to yourself, 'What planet are these people on given the competitive environment?' Haven't they heard of AirAsia, haven't they heard of the challenges coming from Emirates, from Etihad, from Qatar.
"They only have to speak to Airbus so see what the order books look like to understand some of the challenges
There you are, feel better now?.
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Assclown. Now we can be sure where Qf management get their incompetence from, the very top, the chairman of the board.
I would like to see as a shareholder the return on investment I am gaining from Joyce, Clifford, with, Grant in fact the entire board and the toxic board and exco.
I would like to see as a shareholder the return on investment I am gaining from Joyce, Clifford, with, Grant in fact the entire board and the toxic board and exco.
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Does this sound familiar? A blast from the past, 6 years ago to be exact.
The song remains the same, like Medusa cut one head off and two grow in it's place.
Qantas move offshore might cost 2500 jobsBy Scott Rochfort and Nick O'Malley
October 22, 2005
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Email to a friend Printer formatQantas chief executive Geoff Dixon has put himself on a collision course with the unions, after confirming the airline was looking to move "significant parts" of its engineering operations overseas.
Such a move could result in the loss of up to 2500 maintenance jobs.
Citing the recent decisions by Air New Zealand and United Airlines to relocate their long-haul heavy maintenance work overseas, Mr Dixon said Qantas would have to follow suit if it could not make its Australian operations "globally competitive".
He said a final decision would be made by February.
Mr Dixon said, however, that the warning had nothing to do with upcoming enterprise bargaining talks between Qantas and the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, which represents around 1500 Qantas maintenance staff.
"The bigger issue here is that the industry's changing and it's not about Qantas saying, 'Well gee, I've got a negotiation coming up with the AMWU'," Mr Dixon said.
"It's got nothing at all to do with our EBA [Enterprise Bargaining Agreement]. This is much bigger."
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AdvertisementMr Dixon said the possible maintenance job cuts did "not necessarily" represent the largest component of the airline's plans to cut a further $1.5 billion off its cost base in the next two years. But he argued the airline had created 10,000 job in the past decade. "Not one of these have been created by a union," he said.
The national secretary of the AMWU, Doug Cameron, said: "We are going to fight this industrially, politically and publicly."
Relations between workers and the airline soured in the past year after what unions said had been deliberate intimidation.
"This constant campaign of fear and paranoia is diabolical," said the secretary of the Australian Workers Union, Bill Shorten.
"They have definitely pissed off a lot of people this time."
He said the airline's industrial relations managers were a "bunch of clowns running a media campaign rather than talking to their workforce".
Mr Shorten called on Qantas to stop negotiating through the media and put its cards on the table.
Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White said she was yet to get a clear guarantee Qantas would not sack any of its 2000 call centre staff.
"With Qantas, we'll have to wait until it reaches the front page of a newspaper. That's how they conduct their industrial relations," Ms White said.
Mr Dixon said: "We will not be making firm guarantees to the likes of the ASU."
Qantas also confirmed a further 70 engineering staff could go after it lost a technical handling contract with Singapore Airlines on Friday.
Singapore Air said Qantas had tried to lift the price of the $9 million a year contract by "at least" 30 per cent last week. It said the price hike was closer to 50 per cent, given Qantas had decided to stop providing "pushback, water and toilet" servicing to Singapore Air aircraft.
"We had every intention of recontracting Qantas to provide our Australian-based engineering services. We were surprised in the negotiations that Qantas lifted its rate well above market rates," Singapore Air spokeswoman Kate Pratley said.
She noted Qantas came through with the proposed price increase only a week ago.
Singapore Airlines declined to comment on suggestions Qantas no longer wanted the contract and had used it as a ploy to cut its maintenance workforce.
"It's a question you should ask Qantas," Singapore Air's head spokesman, Stephen Foreshaw, said.
Qantas spokeswoman Belinda de Rome said Qantas was "disappointed" it had lost the contract.
The move comes two months after Singapore Air said it would not renew its ground-handling contract with Qantas, which Qantas said would result in the loss of 200 jobs.
October 22, 2005
Page Tools
Email to a friend Printer formatQantas chief executive Geoff Dixon has put himself on a collision course with the unions, after confirming the airline was looking to move "significant parts" of its engineering operations overseas.
Such a move could result in the loss of up to 2500 maintenance jobs.
Citing the recent decisions by Air New Zealand and United Airlines to relocate their long-haul heavy maintenance work overseas, Mr Dixon said Qantas would have to follow suit if it could not make its Australian operations "globally competitive".
He said a final decision would be made by February.
Mr Dixon said, however, that the warning had nothing to do with upcoming enterprise bargaining talks between Qantas and the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, which represents around 1500 Qantas maintenance staff.
"The bigger issue here is that the industry's changing and it's not about Qantas saying, 'Well gee, I've got a negotiation coming up with the AMWU'," Mr Dixon said.
"It's got nothing at all to do with our EBA [Enterprise Bargaining Agreement]. This is much bigger."
Advertisement
AdvertisementMr Dixon said the possible maintenance job cuts did "not necessarily" represent the largest component of the airline's plans to cut a further $1.5 billion off its cost base in the next two years. But he argued the airline had created 10,000 job in the past decade. "Not one of these have been created by a union," he said.
The national secretary of the AMWU, Doug Cameron, said: "We are going to fight this industrially, politically and publicly."
Relations between workers and the airline soured in the past year after what unions said had been deliberate intimidation.
"This constant campaign of fear and paranoia is diabolical," said the secretary of the Australian Workers Union, Bill Shorten.
"They have definitely pissed off a lot of people this time."
He said the airline's industrial relations managers were a "bunch of clowns running a media campaign rather than talking to their workforce".
Mr Shorten called on Qantas to stop negotiating through the media and put its cards on the table.
Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White said she was yet to get a clear guarantee Qantas would not sack any of its 2000 call centre staff.
"With Qantas, we'll have to wait until it reaches the front page of a newspaper. That's how they conduct their industrial relations," Ms White said.
Mr Dixon said: "We will not be making firm guarantees to the likes of the ASU."
Qantas also confirmed a further 70 engineering staff could go after it lost a technical handling contract with Singapore Airlines on Friday.
Singapore Air said Qantas had tried to lift the price of the $9 million a year contract by "at least" 30 per cent last week. It said the price hike was closer to 50 per cent, given Qantas had decided to stop providing "pushback, water and toilet" servicing to Singapore Air aircraft.
"We had every intention of recontracting Qantas to provide our Australian-based engineering services. We were surprised in the negotiations that Qantas lifted its rate well above market rates," Singapore Air spokeswoman Kate Pratley said.
She noted Qantas came through with the proposed price increase only a week ago.
Singapore Airlines declined to comment on suggestions Qantas no longer wanted the contract and had used it as a ploy to cut its maintenance workforce.
"It's a question you should ask Qantas," Singapore Air's head spokesman, Stephen Foreshaw, said.
Qantas spokeswoman Belinda de Rome said Qantas was "disappointed" it had lost the contract.
The move comes two months after Singapore Air said it would not renew its ground-handling contract with Qantas, which Qantas said would result in the loss of 200 jobs.
The song remains the same, like Medusa cut one head off and two grow in it's place.
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Singapore Air said Qantas had tried to lift the price of the $9 million a year contract by "at least" 30 per cent last week. It said the price hike was closer to 50 per cent, given Qantas had decided to stop providing "pushback, water and toilet" servicing to Singapore Air aircraft.
October 22, 2005
http://www.alaea.asn.au/CMS/plainTex...horisation.pdf
This ALAEA notice is dated August 2007, the first to announce application for PIA.
Almost 2 whole years AFTER customer contracts began to be destroyed.
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So its all gone quiet from the ALAEA......is it true they got threatened with court action from QF and the legal advice they got was that they would loose loose loose with a BIG monetary penalty they couldnt afford?
Snakes and ladders, go back to square one gents...
Snakes and ladders, go back to square one gents...
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If you attended one of the meetings last week, you would know what's happening.
If you have yet to attend a meeting in your port, make sure you attend.
If you are not a member, nothing to see here.
If you have yet to attend a meeting in your port, make sure you attend.
If you are not a member, nothing to see here.
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Thanks for your attempt at FUD, but best leave future efforts to onionist, shareholder and co.
Things have gone quiet while more attempts are made at negotiating an agreement. Everything else in your post is total rubbish!
Things have gone quiet while more attempts are made at negotiating an agreement. Everything else in your post is total rubbish!
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Apparently ops manager MS was canvassing SYD Base LAMEs the other day proposing an extension of the company's current 3+3+3 offer to include an extra grade for everyone, not just those blocked by quotas.
Word is, he was getting plenty of good feedback from the troops too.
Has anyone else heard of a renewed company offer in the pipeline?
Word is, he was getting plenty of good feedback from the troops too.
Has anyone else heard of a renewed company offer in the pipeline?
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3+3+3 offer to include an extra grade for everyone PLUS job security will solve this mess tomorrow
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