Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

The Melbourne Terminal managers are trying to change the rosters.

[Arnold E]

The Melbourne Terminal managers are trying to change the rosters.

I am an outsider, but a supporter, what does this mean?

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Our roster agreement essentially says that any rosters must only be implemented after a bollot of those employees who may work the roster has passed. The managers down there have been pulling individuals aside and trying to slip them on to a new roster without having the ballot. Some guys may want the new roster but most don't. For each one of the individuals who arranges his own personal roster, those on the approved roster suffer. It is a long running struggle down there and has been going on for years.

A lot of it is about lies and mistrust. The International boys were moved to domestic and ultimately went without a battle after they were told they could keep their roster. Low and behold, two years later management want to get rid of their roster. Members should not make their own arrangements. Stick together for god sake.

[Arnold E]

Stick together for god's sake.

I'm with you Fed Sec

[blubak]

question for fedsec

steve,
there is now almost 2 weeks gone of the 4 week 'grace' period we gave the company to commence more negotiation-how much negotiation has been happening & have we moved forward at all?

[PIOT Bord]

blubak

3 meetings on Monday at Airport Club (1300, 1530 and 1900) turn up and you can ask Steve, Paul, etc all the questions you want.

[Dunnocks]

You'll have to speak really loudly, if you want an answer from Paul ....

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Yes Paul has to work and for him it means a gig travelling back to France with an A330 that is having some steering problems. He should be well and truly back by the time any crap may hit the fan.

[BaronB]

For each one of the individuals who arranges his own personal roster ...

golly, you wouldn't want someone to sort something out that might work for them and their family, would you? bl**dy hell, we're not all sheep.

[Righty Tighty]

Frustrating Working with narcissist,
A few years ago QF upper Management decided that no longer should a person be rewarded or promoted due to ability,you now had to conform to a certain criteria
NARCISSIST was the new buzz word around QF.
So just a few hints your boss maybe a Narcissist
:They say hello how are you?but they really don't care
:They delegate work projects,if they succeed they take the glory,if they fail they blame who they delegated the project to.
:They don't feel that the rules applied to the workers apply to them
:They cheat and scam when they know they can get away with it
:They take your ideas and sell them as there own
:They feel that the day to day tasks should be done by others as they feel above these duties
They always use I,me and my when they talk
:They should be given an acadamy award for the show they put on around there boss
Just a few signs guys
Promotion at QF

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

golly, you wouldn't want someone to sort something out that might work for them and their family, would you?

No you wouldn't if it impacts others. How would it impact your family if a dozen blokes in your section moved to a straight day shift. The boss then tapped you on the shoulder and said we are overstaffed on days, we are moving you to an 8 hour permanent night roster?

[600ft-lb]

golly, you wouldn't want someone to sort something out that might work for them and their family, would you? bl**dy hell, we're not all sheep.

There is a reason for everything mate. If you think for one second that if management were able to change rosters at will that it wouldn't be exploited ?

Besides, you work for an airline, you made the sacrifice years ago that you wouldn't get nights/weekends/public holidays/easter/xmas off. It's bad enough that we will never have a normal work/life balance, to have no provision for majority rule in the **** hours we have to work then you're dreaming if you think management would hesitate to make your life worse.

Think back to Perth a few years ago.

[Delay 421]

Re PC going to TLS with NWS defect

I understand that CN requested PC go with A/C to TLS. Appears to be a conflict of interest in my book. I'm sure there are many more QF LAME's that have a lot more exposure to this A/C and it's ongoing issue. If I were PC I would have turned it down to show my union that I wasn't open for being sidetracked by a jolly.

[altocu]

Re PC going to TLS with NWS defect

I'd be a bit concerned about this as well. Perception is everything!

[division1]

Luckily PC can get some first hand experience of these
new generation aircraft that don't require maintenance.

Sounds ridiculous to me sending an aircraft back to the
factory for a steering defect anyway, only so many parts
to go wrong. Hope Airbus is covering all the costs of this
jolly. Enjoy their wine.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by D421

I understand that CN requested PC go with A/C to TLS. Appears to be a conflict of interest in my book. I'm sure there are many more QF LAME's that have a lot more exposure to this A/C and it's ongoing issue. If I were PC I would have turned it down to show my union that I wasn't open for being sidetracked by a jolly.

Bear in mind that, as an employee, PC cannot refuse any legal request so there's a bit of a catch 22 in there. That's one of the key issues the ALAEA has, not being big enough to pay their entire leadership team means they need to work in the industry and no matter where they do that there will be some degree of conflict.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

It's a bit crook having a crack at PC for going away. He hasn't had a course in 8 years, didn't get an "extras" from the last EBA and I can't even remember the last time he went for an aircraft recovery or relief job. If ever he was to go anywhere the next few weeks would be the best as we will mainly be waiting for the second ballot to take place.

[Longbow25]

Interesting how anything can be justified if you have a need to.

A case of do as I say and not as I do, or is it, hook, line and sinker!

Or does he have a legitimate link to the aircraft defect?

The explanation will be interesting if it ever comes?

Whatever it is the PERCEPTION is horrendous.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Imagine the Quality of applicant you would receive if the Job Advert for the ALAEA Federal President read something like this -


Position Available ALAEA Federal President

Must -

• Be a Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer Currently Working for an Australian employer.
• Spend countless hours post duty addressing members interests and enquiries without compensation.
• Defer any opportunity for aircraft Type training whilst in the position.
• Not apply for any promotion whilst in the position.
• Reject any offer or demand of your employer to travel outside Australia for aircraft rectification.
• Watch as younger LAMEs enjoy the above benefits and overtake your status within the company without complaint.

I'm thinking that we would most likely end up with a pretty ordinary President, if any at all. I want to be the first to wish Paul enjoy his break away, if possible, after all the effort he has put in lately working in his own time for our union.

[chockchucker]

I can understand where you're coming from Steve however, the federal president should always remain above reproach.



Nobody doubts that holding any position within the federal executive isn't an easy gig but, anybody who puts themselves forward for such positions would surely realise that it does involve sacrifice. Hence, the character of the people who seek out this sort of service is usually beyond question.



I think however, given the current climate, it was unwise for anybody from the federal executive to accept an invitation for a jolly to France. If, as has been suggested here, it was at the invitation of CN, it raises fears (justly or unjustly) that it could be used to compromise a persons negotiating position.



And raises some question as to whether or not you may have allowed CN to deliberately create some disenchantment between the members and its executive (The old divide and conquer routine).



It also raises concerns as to where the executive's priorities lie at a time when we appear to be in a fight for our very survival.





Just a thought.