Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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The engineers union are falling into a trap. They are digging their own graves. Telling pax to NOT fly QF is not a good tactic, its essentially vandalising the Company brand (recoverable from QF's perspective), and cannot be good for ALL engineers. It also increases the likelihood of more redundancies within their ranks and SOONER because the Qantas business will inevitably drop off as a result of their action leaving Qantas an awesome excuse to downsize or reduce growth/restructure (short term) and get rid of more menacing staff. Also, the sooner they shut down mainline LH (a possibility and then re-start later in the future) the better off shareholders will be, which whether you like it or not is the end game. If this happens, the share price would actually rise sharply. Although its a radical step, Qantas knows this and everything the Unions are currently doing just makes this scenario a better chance. There might be 6,7,8 thousand staff willing to strike, but there is still many thousands more apparently happy, but at real risk of seeing some of their jobs go down the drain. Its hard to swallow I know, but todays Qantas in todays tough business world doesn't owe anyone a job or career. That’s my 2c worth so you can all start shooting me down now! I would not neccesarily trust everything your union leaders tell you, and that is not to say you should trust QF either. In reality, neither party should be trusted!
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I think you will find that most people are now aware of what is going on, and put the blame for all their inconvenience where it belongs, with Qantas management.
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NewPiper, you can sit back and watch management let the company "bleed out", or you can grow a spine, stand up and be counted.
Ask any ex-Ansett employee what they should have done as they observed management stuff up there?
It's a funny (sic) thing! Those that get paid the big bucks are either blind, stupid, or have another agenda. Those working at the "coalface" can see exactly what's happening.
Ask any ex-Ansett employee what they should have done as they observed management stuff up there?
It's a funny (sic) thing! Those that get paid the big bucks are either blind, stupid, or have another agenda. Those working at the "coalface" can see exactly what's happening.
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SP - WTF are u doing???
SP - you're comments today telling the public NOT to fly with Qantas were outrageous! You have jumped too far over the line!
You seem to have a complete hatred for Qantas that is clouding you better judgement! They pay my bills, and the bills of thousands of other employees! Be sensible in you statements to the media!
If the company are "threatening" to dock 7 hours wage for a 4 hour stoppage - LET THEM! If it's unlawful, then pursue the legal options. We're all willing to sacrifice a bit for the bigger cause, but to openly discourage our customers NOT to fly with Qantas means they won't be flying with us for a long time into the future. Loss of market share takes a long time to recover from. Delaying a passenger is a short term pain that many of them understand and sympathise.
Can we please be sensible, and above all - PROFESSIONAL when talking to the media!
You seem to have a complete hatred for Qantas that is clouding you better judgement! They pay my bills, and the bills of thousands of other employees! Be sensible in you statements to the media!
If the company are "threatening" to dock 7 hours wage for a 4 hour stoppage - LET THEM! If it's unlawful, then pursue the legal options. We're all willing to sacrifice a bit for the bigger cause, but to openly discourage our customers NOT to fly with Qantas means they won't be flying with us for a long time into the future. Loss of market share takes a long time to recover from. Delaying a passenger is a short term pain that many of them understand and sympathise.
Can we please be sensible, and above all - PROFESSIONAL when talking to the media!
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The decision made this morning is in response to notices distributed by management, illegally threatening to withhold up to 7 hours pay for the time not worked.
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That’s my 2c worth so you can all start shooting me down now!
Now when we take action, there is no point if Qantas are still collecting the money but planes are just going out late. That just upsets customers. Isn't it better to pre-advise customers that the product that they are buying is not going to be available?
At the end of the day, every bit of profit right now is being used in a campaign against Qantas staff. That is every red cent is being invested in airlines that are competing directly with Qantas for air services. Why would we want to feed a parent company so they can destroy the core business through competition.
When all is said and done Qantas will be damaged. But it will not be destroyed. Joyce and his mates stripped all the assets out of Ansett before its demise. If you open your eyes you will note that they are doing it again, it's just that some of us can see it before all is lost.
That's all for now.
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You said "Ask any ex-Ansett employee what they should have done as they observed management stuff up there"
Are you suggesting that perhaps this new QF Asian strategy will result in a Company failure?? If so, that is just speculation at this stage and to be fair, no one will really know for a few years yet. But if you want me to speculate, I think the starategy will be a Company maker because the Qantas group will become for shareholders (via Jetstar) the Ryanair of Asia.
Are you suggesting that perhaps this new QF Asian strategy will result in a Company failure?? If so, that is just speculation at this stage and to be fair, no one will really know for a few years yet. But if you want me to speculate, I think the starategy will be a Company maker because the Qantas group will become for shareholders (via Jetstar) the Ryanair of Asia.
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I'll bite, ellie1.
I don't have much confidence in what Mr Joyce says, I don't think Qantas pilots are kamikazes, and I don't think the majority of Qantas staff are rogue. However, Mr Joyce has also said that Qantas is the only "investment grade" airline in the world, it is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and it has amoung the best punctuality of airlines in the world.
Fact: Qantas has not lost one passenger due to an aviation incident.
Maybe having whatever ratio of licenced engineers that Qantas has is not such a bad thing!!!!
I don't have much confidence in what Mr Joyce says, I don't think Qantas pilots are kamikazes, and I don't think the majority of Qantas staff are rogue. However, Mr Joyce has also said that Qantas is the only "investment grade" airline in the world, it is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and it has amoung the best punctuality of airlines in the world.
Fact: Qantas has not lost one passenger due to an aviation incident.
Maybe having whatever ratio of licenced engineers that Qantas has is not such a bad thing!!!!
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ALAEA Fed Sec,
When profits fall, management shoot first, then ask questions.
Hurting profits will hurt QF but more so your members. No single employee group is irreplaceable. The entrepreneurs will always find another solution.
When profits fall, management shoot first, then ask questions.
Hurting profits will hurt QF but more so your members. No single employee group is irreplaceable. The entrepreneurs will always find another solution.
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Originally Posted by Millet Fanger
Fact: Qantas has not lost one passenger due to an aviation incident.
I would've thought that people would have learnt by now not to believe the PR spin, lol.
If it was Illegal then why call it off at some stage did not the ALAEA used to have a lawyer as part of there staff ?
members, would it not??
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Re No other airline does it," Mr Joyce said. "We have the equivalent of 14 licensed engineers per aircraft - our competitors average two."
Comments?
Yes ellie 1 I have a comment. Allan Joyce the self professed mathemetician can't add up.
152 Qantas aircraft divided by 1600 LAME's does not equal 14. Are these the same accountants who calculated International losses.
Fed Sec I see no difference in advising passengers not to fly QF than Allan Joyce telling the WORLD Qantas international is dead. Any bad press against these morons will get them in the end. If they want it to stop then they need to sort the EBA out. Easy.
One thing boils in my brain everyday and thats Olivia's comments on tv the other day when asked what is Qantas' counter offer. Her reply "thats not how we do our business".
Isn't that how negotiations are supposed to work. Both sides giving and taking. No wonder 12 months later we have no agreement.
Qantas says
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
Keep up the good work Steve. The guys are 100% behind you. Better to have died trying than to sit idley by and await the slaughter from these corporate thieves.
Remember brothers these fools ran Ansett.
Joyce 71% increase in renumeration.
No new aircraft to Qantas International.
G Dixon 28 million from QF since 2008.
Qantas hates its employees.
AND WE ARE THE BAD GUYS......yeah right.
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Yes ellie 1 I have a comment. Allan Joyce the self professed mathemetician can't add up.
152 Qantas aircraft divided by 1600 LAME's does not equal 14. Are these the same accountants who calculated International losses.
Fed Sec I see no difference in advising passengers not to fly QF than Allan Joyce telling the WORLD Qantas international is dead. Any bad press against these morons will get them in the end. If they want it to stop then they need to sort the EBA out. Easy.
One thing boils in my brain everyday and thats Olivia's comments on tv the other day when asked what is Qantas' counter offer. Her reply "thats not how we do our business".
Isn't that how negotiations are supposed to work. Both sides giving and taking. No wonder 12 months later we have no agreement.
Qantas says
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
Keep up the good work Steve. The guys are 100% behind you. Better to have died trying than to sit idley by and await the slaughter from these corporate thieves.
Remember brothers these fools ran Ansett.
Joyce 71% increase in renumeration.
No new aircraft to Qantas International.
G Dixon 28 million from QF since 2008.
Qantas hates its employees.
AND WE ARE THE BAD GUYS......yeah right.
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Well played today Steve and the ALAEA.
Keep up the good work.
Far safer for everyone’s pay to just have the meetings on Friday.
I agree, when we take action, there is no point if Qantas are still collecting the money but planes are just going out late. That just upsets customers. Definitely better to pre-advise customers that the product that they are buying is not going to be available?
Keep up the good work.
Far safer for everyone’s pay to just have the meetings on Friday.
I agree, when we take action, there is no point if Qantas are still collecting the money but planes are just going out late. That just upsets customers. Definitely better to pre-advise customers that the product that they are buying is not going to be available?
