Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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What's it all mean !
What's it all mean !
What's it all mean !
Whatever it means is probably not what management think.
Although most of them sound like they are spooling up faster than a Missouri tornado.
What's it all mean !
What's it all mean !
Whatever it means is probably not what management think.
Although most of them sound like they are spooling up faster than a Missouri tornado.
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This just in from the AGE.
AJ crying poor again. "QF international in jeopardy"
Yes, its all part of the grand plan. He runs the brand into the ground, allows JQ to feed of Qantas (just like they did when allowing ANZ to suck the blood out of ANSETT), creates maximum employee discontent and disengagement until there is a company wide revolt, place blame on the employees and the unions and shut the airline down and move it overseas.
Then he collects his coins from the hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. To be sure to be sure.
Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce
The future of Qantas as an international carrier is in jeopardy, the airline's CEO Alan Joyce says.
Fair Work Australia on Thursday approved a ballot allowing long-haul pilots to vote on taking industrial action for the first time in 45 years.
"The continued claim that they are going to take industrial action ... is an attempt at further damaging the brand," Mr Joyce told the ABC's 7.30 program on Thursday.
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"Unfortunately, this is the way some of these rogue union leaders think."
The pilot's demands, which include wage increases - with the Australia and International Pilots Association (AIPA) pushing for a rise of two-and-a-half per cent over three years - would result in job cuts, Mr Joyce said.
"They are demands the company cannot agree to and they are demands that will result in job losses in this company," he said.
Mr Joyce labelled both the engineers' and pilots' union leaders as "rogues" who the company was "going to have to stand up to".
Qantas puts the cost of the demands at more than $300,000 million but the pilots' association says the figure is more like $90 million.
"There are certain demands I cannot concede to because it will endanger the survival of the company," Mr Joyce said.
"Our international business is losing money, our international business, if these demands are met, will go back even further."
AJ crying poor again. "QF international in jeopardy"
Yes, its all part of the grand plan. He runs the brand into the ground, allows JQ to feed of Qantas (just like they did when allowing ANZ to suck the blood out of ANSETT), creates maximum employee discontent and disengagement until there is a company wide revolt, place blame on the employees and the unions and shut the airline down and move it overseas.
Then he collects his coins from the hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. To be sure to be sure.
Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce
The future of Qantas as an international carrier is in jeopardy, the airline's CEO Alan Joyce says.
Fair Work Australia on Thursday approved a ballot allowing long-haul pilots to vote on taking industrial action for the first time in 45 years.
"The continued claim that they are going to take industrial action ... is an attempt at further damaging the brand," Mr Joyce told the ABC's 7.30 program on Thursday.
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"Unfortunately, this is the way some of these rogue union leaders think."
The pilot's demands, which include wage increases - with the Australia and International Pilots Association (AIPA) pushing for a rise of two-and-a-half per cent over three years - would result in job cuts, Mr Joyce said.
"They are demands the company cannot agree to and they are demands that will result in job losses in this company," he said.
Mr Joyce labelled both the engineers' and pilots' union leaders as "rogues" who the company was "going to have to stand up to".
Qantas puts the cost of the demands at more than $300,000 million but the pilots' association says the figure is more like $90 million.
"There are certain demands I cannot concede to because it will endanger the survival of the company," Mr Joyce said.
"Our international business is losing money, our international business, if these demands are met, will go back even further."
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Reduced to name calling already? Didn't expect it so soon.
"rouge" thought we might get a more intelligent debate from AJ instead of a personal attack on union leadership. They must be getting under his skin. Perhaps the rouges are QF leadership intent on ripping the heart and soul out of QANTAS.!
"rouge" thought we might get a more intelligent debate from AJ instead of a personal attack on union leadership. They must be getting under his skin. Perhaps the rouges are QF leadership intent on ripping the heart and soul out of QANTAS.!
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Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce
It appears AJ is getting down to heads-up and his 3 8 off suit is about to be exposed. The ALAEA and Pilots are All In.
Rouge Unions leaders - Not quiet when you have 80% support from 80% of the membership. Pilots figures TBA. Julia is a rouge PM if that's the case.
International market share declining - But that was intentional, we see QF routes now flown by JetStar and JetConnect ("Jetstar will never fly legacy routes"- What Bul$$it !)
Commercial support - I saw my first QF International TV add last week possibly the first occasion in six months. It is blatantly obvious QF Management have totally focused on the LCC models, why is the decline of QF Int such a surprise? Ignorant or stupid
Franchising of mainline - What do you say. It's obvious they can't run an airline from Australia and would prefer to have a $2 shelf company in Melbourne and wholly owned subsidiaries throughout the low cost labor neighbor nations with inferior industrial relation policies, utilise foreign MRO's but still charge a punter a FULL SERVICE PRICED TICKET that would normally come with an unsurpassed safety record, knowing their dollar pays Australians staff and goes toward training and skill improvement.
Staff engagement - Email your manager today and see if your reply is the same as mine. Survey results have been delayed indefinitely. When will they realise the implicit value of a positive staff relationship?
Sorry AJ employees seeking job security isn't responsible for the carnage and fallout we see behind us. The media are on to the inflated figures and lies your spin doctors are flouting.
Change direction or be responsible........ - All In- your call -
Rouge Unions leaders - Not quiet when you have 80% support from 80% of the membership. Pilots figures TBA. Julia is a rouge PM if that's the case.
International market share declining - But that was intentional, we see QF routes now flown by JetStar and JetConnect ("Jetstar will never fly legacy routes"- What Bul$$it !)
Commercial support - I saw my first QF International TV add last week possibly the first occasion in six months. It is blatantly obvious QF Management have totally focused on the LCC models, why is the decline of QF Int such a surprise? Ignorant or stupid
Franchising of mainline - What do you say. It's obvious they can't run an airline from Australia and would prefer to have a $2 shelf company in Melbourne and wholly owned subsidiaries throughout the low cost labor neighbor nations with inferior industrial relation policies, utilise foreign MRO's but still charge a punter a FULL SERVICE PRICED TICKET that would normally come with an unsurpassed safety record, knowing their dollar pays Australians staff and goes toward training and skill improvement.
Staff engagement - Email your manager today and see if your reply is the same as mine. Survey results have been delayed indefinitely. When will they realise the implicit value of a positive staff relationship?
Sorry AJ employees seeking job security isn't responsible for the carnage and fallout we see behind us. The media are on to the inflated figures and lies your spin doctors are flouting.
Change direction or be responsible........ - All In- your call -
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Wonder if captain AJ will go down with his ship? Probably more like a greek cruise ship captain, grab french poodle and take first priority onto own liferaft and paddle off into asian sunset. Leaving all to fend for themselves.
Maybe AJ should get that dodgy calculator of his out, probly bought at and asian market close to where plans to setup qantasia and work out how much its gonna cost to make redundant just a few thousand QF pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc: with an average of about 20 years service.
Looks like that 2 billion $$ they have in reserve is dissappearing before their eyes and no action has even started yet. Seems that AJ and the board have got abit of gamblin problem. Win at all costs.
I think all this money flooding the aussie economy would drive up intrest rates not job security clauses as reporters in qantas back pocket have been reporting
Maybe AJ should get that dodgy calculator of his out, probly bought at and asian market close to where plans to setup qantasia and work out how much its gonna cost to make redundant just a few thousand QF pilots, engineers, cabin crew etc: with an average of about 20 years service.
Looks like that 2 billion $$ they have in reserve is dissappearing before their eyes and no action has even started yet. Seems that AJ and the board have got abit of gamblin problem. Win at all costs.
I think all this money flooding the aussie economy would drive up intrest rates not job security clauses as reporters in qantas back pocket have been reporting
Into the Asian sunset ? Asian's aren't stupid enough to employ him. They probably value their staff quite a bit more then the current crop of Qantas management and don't want to alienate them by calling them names and spreading lies in the media.
Apparently a pair of premium economy tickets costs around $42500 EACH now, or so the argument against the pilots goes.
$145million / 1700 = $85294 each
If 2 premium economy tickets costs that much, I'm afraid Qantas, you're doing it wrong.
Makes you wonder how it is that every other full service, relatively high cost base competitor 'legacy' airlines in the region, SQ, CX etc, are managing almost record profits. Maybe it's something to do with not attacking their staff in public arenas and focusing on the product.
Apparently a pair of premium economy tickets costs around $42500 EACH now, or so the argument against the pilots goes.
Almost half of this - an estimated $145 million - would go towards pilots seeking two free premium economy seats to any overseas destination as a pay-off for Qantas being able to determine when they take their annual leave.
If 2 premium economy tickets costs that much, I'm afraid Qantas, you're doing it wrong.
Makes you wonder how it is that every other full service, relatively high cost base competitor 'legacy' airlines in the region, SQ, CX etc, are managing almost record profits. Maybe it's something to do with not attacking their staff in public arenas and focusing on the product.
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Well said Black Panther 
I'm ALL IN too brother! I'll bet my balls most of the 1600 Licenced Engineers and 1700 Pilots are ALL IN with us.
I'm prepared to fight until the current QF management are gone or I no longer have a job
Enough is enough.
SAY NO TO QANTASIA!
I'm ALL IN too brother! I'll bet my balls most of the 1600 Licenced Engineers and 1700 Pilots are ALL IN with us.
I'm prepared to fight until the current QF management are gone or I no longer have a job
Enough is enough.
SAY NO TO QANTASIA!
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lying irish ar$eho(e
come clean you irish boofhead no one is copping the crap you and OW are handing out to the press,the staff have been copping it for years,but now the flying and general public are awake to your lies......so QF cannot handle a pay increase to the pilots and engineers we will go broke,as others have said on here HOW MUCH DO YOU GET PAYED let the media know that and see how they react.....if you are going to start up another LLC well pay us out and do it let the Australian icon die.....then fu*k off back to your homeland as you wont be welcome here .....rant over but it just gives me the sh#ts to see what he is doing......the rim 
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From all the rubbish I have had to listen to in the press from the CEO to and questions that have been asked from the general public it is plain to see that AJ and Co are heading towards a train crash.
It is refreshing to hear support from the general public against QF and their lies.
Lets go SP I am ready.
PP
It is refreshing to hear support from the general public against QF and their lies.
Lets go SP I am ready.
PP
Look, to me it is fairly simple, AJ, you say that pilot and engineer claims are outrageous, fair enough, but answer me this, do you think that your claims on the company are outrageous? if you dont, fair enough, tell us why? Now I dont expect Alan to answer this, but maybe one of his flunckies will.
