Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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What is the problem with PCs trip? If I didn't know better it would seem that there are a lot of jealous people out there who think it should have been themselves going to France.
Get a grip and move on. I am sure with the current means of global communications, he has the ability to input into the EBA if he needs to. Pack of old women, not happy unless there is something to whinge about.
Get a grip and move on. I am sure with the current means of global communications, he has the ability to input into the EBA if he needs to. Pack of old women, not happy unless there is something to whinge about.
PC going to TLS
Disappointing to see PC will be absent from negotiations which he has been involved with for the last few months. Seems very poor timing and an errror of judgement... Being at work yesterday, general member sentiment is negative. At a time where members will be expected to strike / implement overtime bans PC could be in TLS...
Disappointing to see PC will be absent from negotiations which he has been involved with for the last few months. Seems very poor timing and an errror of judgement... Being at work yesterday, general member sentiment is negative. At a time where members will be expected to strike / implement overtime bans PC could be in TLS...
Re PC going to TLS with NWS defect
I understand that CN requested PC go with A/C to TLS. Appears to be a conflict of interest in my book. I'm sure there are many more QF LAME's that have a lot more exposure to this A/C and it's ongoing issue. If I were PC I would have turned it down to show my union that I wasn't open for being sidetracked by a jolly.
I understand that CN requested PC go with A/C to TLS. Appears to be a conflict of interest in my book. I'm sure there are many more QF LAME's that have a lot more exposure to this A/C and it's ongoing issue. If I were PC I would have turned it down to show my union that I wasn't open for being sidetracked by a jolly.
Send a union exec member on a 'jolly' and attack his credibility on a forum?
If it weren't so obvious that this were the same poster, the same ways of referencing,ie TLS, PC and the tone of both posts by 2 'people' who felt so strongly about this issue they made an account on PPrune just to have a whinge about it, maybe it would be believable. But probably not.
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Considering the stage we are at in negotiations, with the upcoming ballot and the fact that PC can easily return if required I cant see a problem. At this stage I wouldn't have knocked it back if offered. I doubt I would be the only one to only too happy to pack my bags.We all know you end up doing more work than play but the experience would still be worth it.
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Enjoy the trip PC, nice to see one of the good guys getting one instead of the usual stream of a-licks and 'club' members!
Good to see QF starting to slip a bit in their hold of the media!
Good to see QF starting to slip a bit in their hold of the media!
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Just a loyal ALAEA member who felt it necessary to voice the opinion that this is poor timing. I was present at the ALAEA feedback meetings where there was no mention of this trip. Why? Would have been interesting to see feedback and response.
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What is the problem with PCs trip? If I didn't know better it would seem that there are a lot of jealous people out there who think it should have been themselves going to France.
Get a grip and move on. I am sure with the current means of global communications, he has the ability to input into the EBA if he needs to. Pack of old women, not happy unless there is something to whinge about.
Get a grip and move on. I am sure with the current means of global communications, he has the ability to input into the EBA if he needs to. Pack of old women, not happy unless there is something to whinge about.
Agreed, it doesnt look good. But make no mistake, management will do whatever it takes to divide and conquer by manufacturing dissent. All negative comments here regarding PC in TLS are further reinforcement to management stooges & trolls that it was "Mission Accomplished."
Get over it. See the big picture. Have some faith.
Can we now move on please?
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Disappointing to see PC will be absent from negotiations which he has been involved with for the last few months.
Chances are he will be back when the fun begins in four weeks time.
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Good to see Paul heading on the trip, his integrity can't be questioned. It gives other employees faith that people can be picked for these trips on their ability.
Unfortunately one of the last 738 delivery flights was done by geoff higgins (cns dmm) who has no integrity, while in the states he took part in some scab training as well
If the company has sent P.C to create a divide, it's a poor effort and won't work.
The members have faith in the union exec
Unfortunately one of the last 738 delivery flights was done by geoff higgins (cns dmm) who has no integrity, while in the states he took part in some scab training as well
If the company has sent P.C to create a divide, it's a poor effort and won't work.
The members have faith in the union exec
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The usual “brown nose yes men” will be wondering why they are not going to TLS and he is.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head aveng.
They have actually sent someone with the ability to take on a task, and succeed.
As regards the feedback meetings, so far the vast majority of members I have spoken to are fully behind the ALAEA. The others are just a little confused!
What is also evident is the fact that the disengagement the current situation is causing is having a negative effect on morale. BUT, it is also making everyone see how much better, and more productive, we can be as a team.
If QF cannot see this, they, and they alone, will be responsible for any loss incurred by this situation.
If, as I suspect is the case, they are playing a 'game', of which both the Pilots and ourselves, are just a part, they will not resolve both our EA's until that 'game' reaches a certain point.
They have actually sent someone with the ability to take on a task, and succeed.
As regards the feedback meetings, so far the vast majority of members I have spoken to are fully behind the ALAEA. The others are just a little confused!
What is also evident is the fact that the disengagement the current situation is causing is having a negative effect on morale. BUT, it is also making everyone see how much better, and more productive, we can be as a team.
If QF cannot see this, they, and they alone, will be responsible for any loss incurred by this situation.
If, as I suspect is the case, they are playing a 'game', of which both the Pilots and ourselves, are just a part, they will not resolve both our EA's until that 'game' reaches a certain point.
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For Qantas chiefs, life in the pressure cooker will get hotter
Ben Sandilands, aviation reporter and Plane Talking blogger, writes:
ALAN JOYCE, CATHAY PACIFIC, JETSTAR, LEIGH CLIFFORD, QANTAS
The pressure for change at the top of the Qantas group is building to levels where the chairman Leigh Clifford and the CEO Alan Joyce will be either be quickly removed or embroiled in a bitter struggle to retain control.
The pressure has little to do with union strike action, there hasn’t been any, nor the constant Qantas whingeing about competitors. These are just diversionary sideshows.
It is about two years without shareholder dividends, the bad mouthing of Qantas full-service, long-haul flights by the management team responsible for them, doubts about the real viability of Jetstar, and amateur hour stunts such as supposedly convenient flights to Dallas-Fort Worth that stuff business travellers into a second-rate cabin, leave them without luggage and clean clothes because of payload restrictions, and add hours to flights that could have been done via Los Angeles.
Qantas oneworld partner Cathay Pacific had a very quietly spoken message for Clifford and Joyce yesterday when its new CEO John Slosar was in town.
And that was, work in your space, not ours. Asked about Qantas’s get-out-of-jail plans to miraculously solve its inadequacies and the burden of being an Australian icon by setting up off-shore entities in Asia, Slosar referred to the issues with government and authority relationships and the need, in the obvious context of its own success in China, to nurture generations of relationship building to get where it wanted to be.
The Dallas debacle has made Qantas an object of mirth among other long-haul carriers because it involved using a jet that is patently incapable of flying the distance reliably non-stop in both directions from Australia with everyone’s luggage on board.
It is this contempt in Qantas for technical advice and customer expectations that has led it into errors in fleet and route planning from which there is no quick escape, as well as more fundamental safety-related errors. This was apparent in Alan Joyce’s time as the founding CEO of Jetstar when he was responsible for a decision to change the A320 approved flight manual procedure for a go-around, a mistake that saw one of its jets carrying about 140 people come close to crashing in fog at Melbourne airport in 2007, after which the carrier was found by the ATSB to have failed to keep traceable records or to have conducted a mandatory safety management system analysis before making changes it has not to this day explained to anyone.
Safety, however, may not be front of mind in investor perceptions. Declining market share, lack of dividends, and an inability to manage labour relations before they result in court approval of protected industrial action at a time chosen by the unions are all hallmarks of management failure.
Telling Australians that Qantas needs to be less Australian to be successful is not a winning message. Every Qantas management since the company was listed on the stock exchange in 1995 has emphasised the value of it brand, which is inextricably bound up with being Australian.
But the only new guidance for a market looking for prompt remedial action at Qantas has been a vague concession that a study into a new Asia-based carrier is under consideration with no further details to be announced before the end of the year.
Joyce and Clifford have weeks if not days to come up with answers, rather than year’s end.
Ben Sandilands, aviation reporter and Plane Talking blogger, writes:
ALAN JOYCE, CATHAY PACIFIC, JETSTAR, LEIGH CLIFFORD, QANTAS
The pressure for change at the top of the Qantas group is building to levels where the chairman Leigh Clifford and the CEO Alan Joyce will be either be quickly removed or embroiled in a bitter struggle to retain control.
The pressure has little to do with union strike action, there hasn’t been any, nor the constant Qantas whingeing about competitors. These are just diversionary sideshows.
It is about two years without shareholder dividends, the bad mouthing of Qantas full-service, long-haul flights by the management team responsible for them, doubts about the real viability of Jetstar, and amateur hour stunts such as supposedly convenient flights to Dallas-Fort Worth that stuff business travellers into a second-rate cabin, leave them without luggage and clean clothes because of payload restrictions, and add hours to flights that could have been done via Los Angeles.
Qantas oneworld partner Cathay Pacific had a very quietly spoken message for Clifford and Joyce yesterday when its new CEO John Slosar was in town.
And that was, work in your space, not ours. Asked about Qantas’s get-out-of-jail plans to miraculously solve its inadequacies and the burden of being an Australian icon by setting up off-shore entities in Asia, Slosar referred to the issues with government and authority relationships and the need, in the obvious context of its own success in China, to nurture generations of relationship building to get where it wanted to be.
The Dallas debacle has made Qantas an object of mirth among other long-haul carriers because it involved using a jet that is patently incapable of flying the distance reliably non-stop in both directions from Australia with everyone’s luggage on board.
It is this contempt in Qantas for technical advice and customer expectations that has led it into errors in fleet and route planning from which there is no quick escape, as well as more fundamental safety-related errors. This was apparent in Alan Joyce’s time as the founding CEO of Jetstar when he was responsible for a decision to change the A320 approved flight manual procedure for a go-around, a mistake that saw one of its jets carrying about 140 people come close to crashing in fog at Melbourne airport in 2007, after which the carrier was found by the ATSB to have failed to keep traceable records or to have conducted a mandatory safety management system analysis before making changes it has not to this day explained to anyone.
Safety, however, may not be front of mind in investor perceptions. Declining market share, lack of dividends, and an inability to manage labour relations before they result in court approval of protected industrial action at a time chosen by the unions are all hallmarks of management failure.
Telling Australians that Qantas needs to be less Australian to be successful is not a winning message. Every Qantas management since the company was listed on the stock exchange in 1995 has emphasised the value of it brand, which is inextricably bound up with being Australian.
But the only new guidance for a market looking for prompt remedial action at Qantas has been a vague concession that a study into a new Asia-based carrier is under consideration with no further details to be announced before the end of the year.
Joyce and Clifford have weeks if not days to come up with answers, rather than year’s end.
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Fed Sec,
How about a change of tack, we don't want a payrise, all we want is the current board to resign, [also get rid of all the deadwood, ie. ops managers and their equivalent], and lets get people in the job that want to make Qantas a great AUSTRALIAN icon that it once was, i know it's only a pipe dream, but the public would surely be on our side.
Well Bugger me
How about a change of tack, we don't want a payrise, all we want is the current board to resign, [also get rid of all the deadwood, ie. ops managers and their equivalent], and lets get people in the job that want to make Qantas a great AUSTRALIAN icon that it once was, i know it's only a pipe dream, but the public would surely be on our side.
Well Bugger me
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How about a change of tack, we don't want a payrise, all we want is the current board to resign
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apparently this is just a preview of the rumored qantasia's new international premium service carrier that will be launched early next year to prop up the qantas group. the current board are just full of great ideas.
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Another patch up after overseas MRO C check
Seems our brothers in the north are doing some work on an aircraft just returned from an overseas MRO. While the defects are not 'a/c grounding' its another example of an unreasonable standard of service that QE are prepared to accept at the demise of our HM industry in Australia.
Middle management apparently sort the names of all engineers working on the aircraft and read the riot act regard company privacy and leaks to the media. It is just embarrassing that our iconic national airline prevents transparency of it's business for fear of questioning by the media or the public. QE are at a terrible position and middle management should be ashamed they partner this disgusting path the Qantas board is directing. Sure it's a minor percentage of our HM work in Australia but the wedge is getting bigger and senior management will continue to drive the wedge to the legal limit in accordance with the Qantas Sale Act.
Of course the planned service keeps getting put back until it's clean and tidy. The defects appeared minor in nature apart from a two which were related to an auxiliary power unit not starting and a degraded engine that occurred en route.
All this is rumour of course, I can't confirm if it is true. Perhaps a journo might want to ask a question of Olivia?
Middle management apparently sort the names of all engineers working on the aircraft and read the riot act regard company privacy and leaks to the media. It is just embarrassing that our iconic national airline prevents transparency of it's business for fear of questioning by the media or the public. QE are at a terrible position and middle management should be ashamed they partner this disgusting path the Qantas board is directing. Sure it's a minor percentage of our HM work in Australia but the wedge is getting bigger and senior management will continue to drive the wedge to the legal limit in accordance with the Qantas Sale Act.
Of course the planned service keeps getting put back until it's clean and tidy. The defects appeared minor in nature apart from a two which were related to an auxiliary power unit not starting and a degraded engine that occurred en route.
All this is rumour of course, I can't confirm if it is true. Perhaps a journo might want to ask a question of Olivia?
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the END
dont want to get morbid.....but I have joined in on the banter and humor we all have posted on here,but the time has come to sit back and see what happens in the comming weeks.The Qantas that I have have seen and it has been a long time ...some 4 decades so I know what I am talking about the old Qantas will never and I mean never be again.....
... and I can understand that things must change so we can compete on an international market but when we are told that heavy maint in this country only chargers 2.5% more than asia and aircraft come back with heaps of defects that must be fixed before further flights then the costs must be equal or better if the work was done here.The humor has gone from me I am totally degusted at whats happening with that little irish ar$ehole at the helm. Let the ALAEA bring on another ballot and let us show Qf and AJ we mean what we say......WE WANT QANTAS TO BE A PROUD AIRLINE AGAIN....the rim
... and I can understand that things must change so we can compete on an international market but when we are told that heavy maint in this country only chargers 2.5% more than asia and aircraft come back with heaps of defects that must be fixed before further flights then the costs must be equal or better if the work was done here.The humor has gone from me I am totally degusted at whats happening with that little irish ar$ehole at the helm. Let the ALAEA bring on another ballot and let us show Qf and AJ we mean what we say......WE WANT QANTAS TO BE A PROUD AIRLINE AGAIN....the rim
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Middle management apparently sort the names of all engineers working on the aircraft and read the riot act regard company privacy and leaks to the media.
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Qantas VRD
Report on nine msn this morning - 7000 cabin crew offered VRD packages.
All permanents ?
Leaving only part time, casuals.
We have a new slogan -
"The Spirit of Part Time Australia"
All permanents ?
Leaving only part time, casuals.
We have a new slogan -
"The Spirit of Part Time Australia"