Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Perhaps CN wanted PC to go because he knew it would create a division in debate amongst the members. It's an old tried and tested method.
If PC gets a jolly mid term of an EA who cares, most of us wouldn't have known or cared given a one-off event.
However given we are in a PIA standoff and QF willing to use any weapon it can to crack our solidarity, it would appear from these posts their attempt has worked.
Steve I hear you but any position in the union executive needs to have the 'appearance' of independence as well as the conduct. Unfortunately that means foregoing a few opportunities in my opinion.
**Looks like CC and I were on the the same page
If PC gets a jolly mid term of an EA who cares, most of us wouldn't have known or cared given a one-off event.
However given we are in a PIA standoff and QF willing to use any weapon it can to crack our solidarity, it would appear from these posts their attempt has worked.
Steve I hear you but any position in the union executive needs to have the 'appearance' of independence as well as the conduct. Unfortunately that means foregoing a few opportunities in my opinion.
**Looks like CC and I were on the the same page
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CN has had nothing to do with this and most likely doesn't even know about it. Paul was requested by his local manager to go as is the normal way for any other employee. Paul is beyond reproach in everything he does, his travel for work now makes no difference to your EA matters.
If you want to attack, have a crack at me. I'm required to go to Madrid for a 3 day union planning meeting on 20th June. In my defence, I love Sangria.
If you want to attack, have a crack at me. I'm required to go to Madrid for a 3 day union planning meeting on 20th June. In my defence, I love Sangria.
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What will Joe Sixpack out there percieve when the PR spinners from Qantas drop the story of how the union that is fighting offshoring on the premise that Australians do it better send their Federal President 'offshore' with an aircraft to get it fixed cause the Aussies couldnt do it?
Forget if it is based on fact or not the average guy on $50,000 a year out there will see it only one way when GT and Kockie tell it to them on Sunrise.
Disclaimer - No dispute of the individuals tireless efforts or deservedness of the trip.
My tip is that CN does know all about it.
Timing is everything....what were you guys thinking? Potentially a few days in the land of soap dodgers could came back to bight you....I sincerely hope not.
GB
Forget if it is based on fact or not the average guy on $50,000 a year out there will see it only one way when GT and Kockie tell it to them on Sunrise.
Disclaimer - No dispute of the individuals tireless efforts or deservedness of the trip.
My tip is that CN does know all about it.
Timing is everything....what were you guys thinking? Potentially a few days in the land of soap dodgers could came back to bight you....I sincerely hope not.
GB
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Appearance Appearance Appearance.........absolutely no question of PC's ethical conduct.
Is QF paying for your trip? I think not....?
The previous ALAEA President made a bad call when he did overtime for a customer during an overtime ban. It remains a bad decision.
My personal opinion remains the same in the situation. We move on.
Is QF paying for your trip? I think not....?
The previous ALAEA President made a bad call when he did overtime for a customer during an overtime ban. It remains a bad decision.
My personal opinion remains the same in the situation. We move on.
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I don't think Qantas are about to advertise that another one of their Airbuses has gone back to the factory becasue it doesn't work properly. I would have a field day with it and most likely, lots of first hand information.
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At the end of it all you have every members respect and support. We are all aware of the time that goes into positions such as those, often with little thanks.
Enjoy your trip Wookie.
At the end of it all you have every members respect and support. We are all aware of the time that goes into positions such as those, often with little thanks.
Enjoy your trip Wookie.
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There's NO DOUBT in my mind that PC (and SP) behaviour in the "O/S Trip Affair" is totally above-board.
Unfortunately, I do have to agree with other posters that it "looks bad".
To think that CN was not aware that T.W was going on the trip beggars belief.
If nothing else it HAS stirred the LAME-Pot, and not in a good way.
We'd all like a "jolly" or whatever, but some of us haven't had a course since just-after the school re-opened, and don't we all remember that fiasco !
I think that if this had of happened at any other time there would not be an issue, BUT...If the company comes back with a mediocre offer, which the ALAEA Exec thinks is "the best we're going to get", their recommendation to accept it, no matter how "final" they think the offer to be, will, in some members minds, be "tainted". IMHO.
ST.
Unfortunately, I do have to agree with other posters that it "looks bad".
To think that CN was not aware that T.W was going on the trip beggars belief.
If nothing else it HAS stirred the LAME-Pot, and not in a good way.
We'd all like a "jolly" or whatever, but some of us haven't had a course since just-after the school re-opened, and don't we all remember that fiasco !
I think that if this had of happened at any other time there would not be an issue, BUT...If the company comes back with a mediocre offer, which the ALAEA Exec thinks is "the best we're going to get", their recommendation to accept it, no matter how "final" they think the offer to be, will, in some members minds, be "tainted". IMHO.
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I think its great that PC got the trip its shows good faith between management and the union, would you prefer if it went to a non union assclown, PC is beyond reproach and I hope this dispute is resolved so we can get on with fixing aircraft
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If the company comes back with a mediocre offer, which the ALAEA Exec thinks is "the best we're going to get", their recommendation to accept it, no matter how "final" they think the offer to be, will, in some members minds, be "tainted". IMHO.
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Hey AJ and your bogus greedy board, more and more reporters are waking up to your BS! Aussies love their Qantas & don't want an outsourced foreign operated Qantas. Nor do they want a Qantasia or whatever other dodgy crap you come up with.
Pilots, engineers, cabin crew, cargo loaders, all QF employees are prepared to bring AUSTRALIAS Icon to the brink if thats what its gonna take to save it from you bumbling fools!! If you don't like it, please get on one of your LCC's you love and p**s off back home!
The real Qantas kamikaze - to be sure to be sure
Miranda Devine – Sunday, May 29, 11 (08:43 am)
Qantas’ current industrial strife is a worry to fans of the national carrier. Why is a newly arrived Irish CEO with an incomprehensible accent attacking the pilots, of all people, and calling them “rogues” and “kamikazes”.
Clearly Alan Joyce, 44, doesn’t understand Australians’ attachment to Qantas.
As far as passengers are concerned the pilots are royalty.
If they want a couple of free premium economy seats, they should be at the head of the queue.
Business class seems to be full of Qantas employees, anyway, so why shouldn’t the people who actually fly the plane get the odd freebie.
And if unionist Paul Howes gets membership of the exclusive Chairman’s Lounge, then soshould the pilots.
In any case, what the pilots really want is job security and a guarantee they won’t be replaced by cheap contract pilots from Asia.
That’s what the passengers want, too. Without its superbly skilled pilots, Qantas’ edge over its competitors vanishes. Its fares are more expensive but people have been willing to pay for safety, and the familiar Aussie friendliness of the flight attendants.
What Qantas has that no other airline has is what Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man famously said: “Qantas never crashed.” Although that’s not strictly true, Qantas has not had a fatality in 50 years.
We can attribute its safety record to the quality of its pilots, not to mention its engineers, also striking over job security—pilots such as 25-year Qantas veteran Richard de Crespigny who managed to land QF32 safely last year after an engine blew up mid-air, saving the lives of 466 passengers.
Qantas is not just another airline. It’s a national treasure. Australians feel ownership of the flying kangaroo. It’s certainly not like the gimcrack airline Ryanair from Joyce’s homeland, which is so cheap it plans to make passengers stand during flights so it can squeeze in more people, and to make them carry their own luggage to the plane.
Joyce should remember that without passengers he doesn’t have a business.
And while we’re at it, at the risk of appearing xenophobic, why is American amateur pilot John Travolta the face of Qantas? It makes no sense, and Americans, more than anyone, must be scratching their heads.
Bravo Miranda Devine
Pilots, engineers, cabin crew, cargo loaders, all QF employees are prepared to bring AUSTRALIAS Icon to the brink if thats what its gonna take to save it from you bumbling fools!! If you don't like it, please get on one of your LCC's you love and p**s off back home!
The real Qantas kamikaze - to be sure to be sure
Miranda Devine – Sunday, May 29, 11 (08:43 am)
Qantas’ current industrial strife is a worry to fans of the national carrier. Why is a newly arrived Irish CEO with an incomprehensible accent attacking the pilots, of all people, and calling them “rogues” and “kamikazes”.
Clearly Alan Joyce, 44, doesn’t understand Australians’ attachment to Qantas.
As far as passengers are concerned the pilots are royalty.
If they want a couple of free premium economy seats, they should be at the head of the queue.
Business class seems to be full of Qantas employees, anyway, so why shouldn’t the people who actually fly the plane get the odd freebie.
And if unionist Paul Howes gets membership of the exclusive Chairman’s Lounge, then soshould the pilots.
In any case, what the pilots really want is job security and a guarantee they won’t be replaced by cheap contract pilots from Asia.
That’s what the passengers want, too. Without its superbly skilled pilots, Qantas’ edge over its competitors vanishes. Its fares are more expensive but people have been willing to pay for safety, and the familiar Aussie friendliness of the flight attendants.
What Qantas has that no other airline has is what Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man famously said: “Qantas never crashed.” Although that’s not strictly true, Qantas has not had a fatality in 50 years.
We can attribute its safety record to the quality of its pilots, not to mention its engineers, also striking over job security—pilots such as 25-year Qantas veteran Richard de Crespigny who managed to land QF32 safely last year after an engine blew up mid-air, saving the lives of 466 passengers.
Qantas is not just another airline. It’s a national treasure. Australians feel ownership of the flying kangaroo. It’s certainly not like the gimcrack airline Ryanair from Joyce’s homeland, which is so cheap it plans to make passengers stand during flights so it can squeeze in more people, and to make them carry their own luggage to the plane.
Joyce should remember that without passengers he doesn’t have a business.
And while we’re at it, at the risk of appearing xenophobic, why is American amateur pilot John Travolta the face of Qantas? It makes no sense, and Americans, more than anyone, must be scratching their heads.
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PC, go do what we all strive to do - fix planes.
SP, you and the team are doing a superb job - keep up the good work.
And well said Miranda.
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Not often do I have any common ground with Ms Devine. First time for everything.Probably the last but we'll see!
PCs trip is above board of that I have no doubt.Have some faith guys!He is no fool.
These trips are not the jollies they once were and in fact can be a pain in the arse.He's not on the riviera sipping cocktails having a bleeding holiday!
The bus in question has a very long standing serious defect.It is well that one of our top guys is there to keep an eye on it and procedures.
PCs trip is above board of that I have no doubt.Have some faith guys!He is no fool.
These trips are not the jollies they once were and in fact can be a pain in the arse.He's not on the riviera sipping cocktails having a bleeding holiday!
The bus in question has a very long standing serious defect.It is well that one of our top guys is there to keep an eye on it and procedures.
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AJ showing signs of desperation.
PC and SP have already shown more skill and courage when dealing with QF management then anyone else I know. I can’t think of anyone who has b@lls even half as big as theirs.
I think this is a win for the ALAEA.
The usual “brown nose yes men” will be wondering why they are not going to TLS and he is.
Now that the “brown nose yes men” are not being rewarded for being sc@bs, they will be pretty pissed off (and worried).
It now appears every time AJ calls people “rogues” and “kamikazes” he is looking more and more like a fool. Great. Keep up the good work AJ.
I think this is a win for the ALAEA.
The usual “brown nose yes men” will be wondering why they are not going to TLS and he is.
Now that the “brown nose yes men” are not being rewarded for being sc@bs, they will be pretty pissed off (and worried).
It now appears every time AJ calls people “rogues” and “kamikazes” he is looking more and more like a fool. Great. Keep up the good work AJ.
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AJ, May call our union officials `rogues`. but you have to wonder what his motive`s are. Considering these `rogues` put together would have hundred`s of years service with Qantas. How many has AJ got???
What`s AJ`s main incentive whilst at Qantas? Same as GD. Get as many millions as humanly possible out of the place, & into his pockets. Regardless of the current dedicated staff. Not to mention the share holder. What`s our share price today?? Well done AJ!
What`s AJ`s main incentive whilst at Qantas? Same as GD. Get as many millions as humanly possible out of the place, & into his pockets. Regardless of the current dedicated staff. Not to mention the share holder. What`s our share price today?? Well done AJ!
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PC going to TLS
Disappointing to see PC will be absent from negotiations which he has been involved with for the last few months. Seems very poor timing and an errror of judgement... Being at work yesterday, general member sentiment is negative. At a time where members will be expected to strike / implement overtime bans PC could be in TLS...