Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

[King William III]

Griffin One wrote:

actually i would give up any pay rise for at least three years if this company would commit to building hangers and bringing jobs back on shore, think of the future and the ame,s waiting to become lames.

I'd happily drop all wage claims off the table and just leave the job security there…….

If nothing else it would give their Industrial Warfare Department a headache figuring out how the heck to bad mouth us!!

However, I have placed my trust in the ALAEA Exec and they did OK last time!!!

[Bumpfoh]

Now evident that AJ has another previously unannounced qualification, ophthalmology!

[HF3000]

That confirms it... A letter to Ben. Desperate indeed.

I note he doesn't refute any of the many other allegations Ben has made over the past few weeks regarding poor management of Qantas.

[Nudlaug]

I suspect that most members would take a 12 month wage freeze if the board was replaced by a group of people who were actually interested in the future of Qantas.

It's the only thing that'll make me stay in this company. Cause this board will run it into the ground something fierce, they haven't got the faintest idea what they are doing, it's criminal really....

[tail wheel]

I received a few messages asking where this thread had gone. I took it out of public view for a few hours to do a little editing of the "needless and irrelevant stuff".

As Australians, we respect the right of free speech, which PPRuNe encourages, but that does not extend to defamatory and libellous posts or derogatory posts or naming individuals. Whilst this is an anonymous forum, there are those that have learnt the hard way that no internet forum is truly anonymous.

This thread is being widely read, by both sides in the negotiations. The QF LAME EBA negotiations are an emotive issue, likely to inflame passions. Your point of view or opinion will be better put and may influence the negotiations if posted in a calm, rational and professional manner.

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The Dunnunda Forum Mod Team.

[Silverado]

Just a reminder that the ballot result will be available on the Fair Work Australia website.

Ballot Results

One Question to the Fed Sec, the order PR509920 ballot close date, and the ballot paperwork provided closing date, don't match? is it 20 or 28 days after Order date.

[The Bungeyed Bandit]

Tail Wheel, your last message on other tread titled "? Missing Qantas engineers EBA thread" was one of true beauty.

[tail wheel]

That linked site should keep our friend busy for hours!!!

Didn't you notice his absence from this thread for some days? I fear his computer has a problem - it can't find this thread!

[Jethro Gibbs]

ALAEA Fed Sec you stated that The 738 jobs at Avalon are a contingiency for threatened pia.
How would that work is it not a fact that Forstaff employees cannot work without Qantas Lame supervision .

[Worrals in the wilds]

This thread is being widely read, by both sides in the negotiations.

That's nice to know. Maybe some information that isn't filtered by rank-hopping underlings into the standard 'it's all awesome, everyone loves Caesar' format will get through.

Or maybe not. I'm not a freediver so I'm not holding my breath. I've actually enjoyed a few of the offerings on the linked site myself ...

Good luck LAMEs. I believe that by and large the industry's workers (as opposed to the move and shake/where's my next executive gig brigade) support you all. At the core the aviation industry is about transport, and maintaining the safe operation of the machines that do the transport is more important than all the branding, muffins, it's-not-a-maggot and $2 fares combined. It's been said that QF management would accept a hull loss as the cost of doin' business, but I hope that's more than the Australian public will ever accept, particularly if the causes were preventable. Your management constantly demonstrate via their media offerings that they have no idea how said machines work, so it's best they keep offering reasonable pay/conditions to those of you that do...

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

One Question to the Fed Sec, the order PR509920 ballot close date, and the ballot paperwork provided closing date, don't match? is it 20 or 28 days after Order date.

I think the AEC can extend the time in the order. As I understand it closes on the 22nd. Cane someone please confirm that from the ballot letters?

ALAEA Fed Sec you stated that The 738 jobs at Avalon are a contingiency for threatened pia.
How would that work is it not a fact that Forstaff employees cannot work without Qantas Lame supervision .

I think the CASA rules require the Forstaff employees to report to a Qantas Supervisor. I could imagine a situation where all Avalon Qantas Supersisors stopped work, Qantas would roll out one of the managers who have the 738 ticket and designate her as the Supervisor for the day.

[Silverado]

Note in this order PR510262 how the AEC varied the close date. However I see no such order on the FWA website with regards to the ALAEA vs QANTAS ballot.

[ACT Crusader]

Silverado - The '20 days' in the FWA order as I understand is 20 working days ie 4 weeks, so the date Fed Sec said (22 June) sounds about right given the order was issued on 25 May.

[division1]

Exactly what mine says,
not later than 10:00 am on Wednesday, 22 June.

Well, another YES vote in the mail.
Hoping for 100% returns showing our support for the executives plans.
Just too bad we need to belt management in the head again, but WTF,
they just don't get it, is less about money than the principles involved.
Many people are comming to the conclusion arseclowns have none.

[Jet-A-One]

All those that voted NO in the last ballot should consider, what puts us in a better bargaining position? Another 80% YES votes OR something closer to 100% in support of PIA.

Showing a united front with faith in those that represent us in the association gives us maximum clout and makes it less likely we'll have to resort to another destructive PIA.

[Toolpants]

From AJ’s recent antics and signs of desperation, I think he can hear his own funeral march playing. Does he plan to write to all reporters that bag him?

I wonder at what share price the death bell will ring for him. We must be getting close.

[The Black Panther]

Contingency plans

More courses for the boys.
A 738 mechanical course position has recently been given to a DMM with a bully reputation. A second teir supervisor who understandably uses a pen instead of a spanner nowadays.

How will this be and economic benefit to the business. There were +5 other contenders who have worked well, have a high output are young and enthusiastic yet the contingency plans continue, it's basically a scab selection. You don't need to be type licensed to sign off a package.

The company will shout "we are entitled to have contingency plans" sure if you believe you will be having a fight. More waste, more inferior economic decisions to add to the list.

The buggery campaign continues.
Vote 'Yes'

[poison pen]

You are correct BP. This person should not be trusted with any information.

SP please take note.

The people this person surrounds himself with also cannot be trusted.

No goading here.

PP

[Jethro Gibbs]

Qantas jet refits secure 600 Avalon

Qantas jet refits secure 600 Avalon What a Load of tish this story is
Qantas jet refits secure 600 Avalon jobs | Geelong, VIC, Australia

[Short_Circuit]

And when the 9 off 744 are done, Geelong will loose 600 engineers & their families. That is a big financial loss to the region.