Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Just listened to O on the 3AW link and I have to give credit to the lady in identifying a very serious safety issue. when she stated that the company needed to ensure that using tools with the non preferred hand was not a safety issue I was wondering what steps they had taken
now I am left handed,( as a higher than normal percentage of people in QE
Are,) and there are times in the course of my job that I have to use tools with my right hand and I would not want to work unsafe or breech any of the qantas safety beliefs !
1/ does O want me to only use my right hand as I am not as good as I am with my left
2/ Is there an EQ competency that I need to compete to allow me to use my non preferred hand?
3/ As O said they needed to ensure it was not a safety issue and O has therefore identified a potential problem should the company not issue a notice stating that all qantas engineering staff should not use there non preferred hand until assessments can be carried out on all staff
4/ Will this be included in the cardinal rules?
5/ We should all have our tow safe cards notated as to which hand we use .
As this is a very serious issue I firmly believe that the ALAEA should direct that until further notice a left and right handed person should be allocated to each task.
Finally i commend O and i will be nominating her for an award for excellance.
Remember safety is everyones responsibility
now I am left handed,( as a higher than normal percentage of people in QE
Are,) and there are times in the course of my job that I have to use tools with my right hand and I would not want to work unsafe or breech any of the qantas safety beliefs !
1/ does O want me to only use my right hand as I am not as good as I am with my left
2/ Is there an EQ competency that I need to compete to allow me to use my non preferred hand?
3/ As O said they needed to ensure it was not a safety issue and O has therefore identified a potential problem should the company not issue a notice stating that all qantas engineering staff should not use there non preferred hand until assessments can be carried out on all staff
4/ Will this be included in the cardinal rules?
5/ We should all have our tow safe cards notated as to which hand we use .
As this is a very serious issue I firmly believe that the ALAEA should direct that until further notice a left and right handed person should be allocated to each task.
Finally i commend O and i will be nominating her for an award for excellance.
Remember safety is everyones responsibility
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Steve,
You know my background and I support you 100%.
First I heard of this was just now when a Relative of mine phoned me from Melbourne, she had heard of this new tactic (I had not), and as I was an LAME all my working Life she asked me about it. As she and her Family travel with QF all the time Worldwide she was concerned, I told her I did not know of it, however after visiting PPrUNe now I will have to call her back.
From what she said these new tactics are NOT going down very well with the travelling Public.
You know my background and I support you 100%.
First I heard of this was just now when a Relative of mine phoned me from Melbourne, she had heard of this new tactic (I had not), and as I was an LAME all my working Life she asked me about it. As she and her Family travel with QF all the time Worldwide she was concerned, I told her I did not know of it, however after visiting PPrUNe now I will have to call her back.
From what she said these new tactics are NOT going down very well with the travelling Public.
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I don't know about anyone else but this sh1t is really getting old for me.
If they refuse to ngotiate, lets stop playing games and start some real PIA. Overtime and higher duties bans and a strict work to rule would be a good start. If it's not school holidays or Tiger it'll be something else. Let's get into it!
Fu(k the media and public perception. We'll never win against the QF PR spin.
These pr1cks won't listen untill you've got them by the balls and start to twist!
If they refuse to ngotiate, lets stop playing games and start some real PIA. Overtime and higher duties bans and a strict work to rule would be a good start. If it's not school holidays or Tiger it'll be something else. Let's get into it!
Fu(k the media and public perception. We'll never win against the QF PR spin.
These pr1cks won't listen untill you've got them by the balls and start to twist!
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Olivia Wirth and Left Handed Screw Drivers
Will someone please tell the pr!cks at the ALAEA that April Fools' Day was three and a half months ago and that the citizenry will not be buying their nonsense? 
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This latest proposed action does NOT need much spin put on it.
As my Sister-in-law said to me, you mean the Engineer responsible for the safety of the aircraft I am flying in is purposely misusing his tools.
Try to imagine that you are NOT an LAME, someone who did NOT know what was happening, what would you think?
OR, imagine you had to go to hospital tomorrow for an operation, and you found out today that the Surgeons were in dispute with the Hospitals and are going to use their scalpels and other tools in their wrong hands on purpose, would YOU be happy about that?
As my Sister-in-law said to me, you mean the Engineer responsible for the safety of the aircraft I am flying in is purposely misusing his tools.
Try to imagine that you are NOT an LAME, someone who did NOT know what was happening, what would you think?
OR, imagine you had to go to hospital tomorrow for an operation, and you found out today that the Surgeons were in dispute with the Hospitals and are going to use their scalpels and other tools in their wrong hands on purpose, would YOU be happy about that?
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Actually there is NO comparison of course.
While the work of an LAME and that of a Surgeon are similar in many ways, and can be life threatening if mistakes are made, as I always tell my Doctor when he says, how are you today, and what is wrong with you, and what do you think we should do about it etc etc.............. IF ONLY AIRCRAFT COULD TALK AND ANSWER TROUBLE SHOOTING QUESTIONS.
While the work of an LAME and that of a Surgeon are similar in many ways, and can be life threatening if mistakes are made, as I always tell my Doctor when he says, how are you today, and what is wrong with you, and what do you think we should do about it etc etc.............. IF ONLY AIRCRAFT COULD TALK AND ANSWER TROUBLE SHOOTING QUESTIONS.
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When professionalism died
I read with total dismay the current tactic of the ALAEA and its executive. As a current LAME of 28 years the proposed action just makes the association and you the members look like an unorganised rabble. I remember when the ALAEA and it's members were seen as professionals and thus treated so (not acting in a professional manner on both sides, is perhaps that's why you have not moved forward in the the recent EBA's).
The latest action (under the excuse of keeping the action alive) just makes you all look vindictive. Whilst I acknowledge the action will have little impact on the operation and the travelling public, not everyone travels on Qantas and as such the public will look on this action by the ALAEA as a joke.
Lift yourselves out of the gutter and act in a professional manner even when the other side does not, this will win the support of the public.
The latest action (under the excuse of keeping the action alive) just makes you all look vindictive. Whilst I acknowledge the action will have little impact on the operation and the travelling public, not everyone travels on Qantas and as such the public will look on this action by the ALAEA as a joke.
Lift yourselves out of the gutter and act in a professional manner even when the other side does not, this will win the support of the public.
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Jet-A-One, I'm with you mate. I understand what The Fed Sec's trying to achieve by keeping the Transport Minister on side and maintaining the departure schedule, but all this dancing around is giving me the sh*ts.. Strict work to rule would have the company back to the table in a week.. Would also have Anthony Albanese's ear fairly quickly too I assume.
"No unprotected industrial action minister, the members are just being extremely vigilant in their interpretation of the QEPM and ensuring that all regulatory requirements are fulfilled. Safety before schedule".
We operate daily, understaffed, underequipped, minimal spares, minimal ground time for rectification and repair, inadequate IT, the list goes on and on..
We make it work every day. Fu*k 'em..
"No unprotected industrial action minister, the members are just being extremely vigilant in their interpretation of the QEPM and ensuring that all regulatory requirements are fulfilled. Safety before schedule".
We operate daily, understaffed, underequipped, minimal spares, minimal ground time for rectification and repair, inadequate IT, the list goes on and on..
We make it work every day. Fu*k 'em..
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I agree... This type of action leaves us looking childish.
If we behave like professional adults, we might be taken seriously.
There are other avenues for keeping the PIA current without disrupting the travelling public.
I should point out that I am a supporter of the ALAEA and I thank the Exec for their work thus far this EBA.
If we behave like professional adults, we might be taken seriously.
There are other avenues for keeping the PIA current without disrupting the travelling public.
I should point out that I am a supporter of the ALAEA and I thank the Exec for their work thus far this EBA.
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Will someone please tell the pr!cks at the ALAEA...
you sound like a bit of a pr!ck yourself ken.
agree with ja1 and black hand, had a gutfull of this ****e,
hit 'em with the o/t and hduty but await the execs orders
to time it right. there are interesting synergies right now.
when we do strike, let's go for a knock out blow.
you sound like a bit of a pr!ck yourself ken.
agree with ja1 and black hand, had a gutfull of this ****e,
hit 'em with the o/t and hduty but await the execs orders
to time it right. there are interesting synergies right now.
when we do strike, let's go for a knock out blow.
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The more I think about this the more I am sure it is CRAZY.
IF you have a dispute with your Employer and it is getting nowhere, as this one is, most people/travelling Public/QF Customers will understand IF you eventually have stop work meetings and even strikes, especially IF notice is given and preferably NOT in the school holidays.
However NO sane person would be happy with the person/s certifying for the safety of their aircraft purposely misusing their tools.
IF you have a dispute with your Employer and it is getting nowhere, as this one is, most people/travelling Public/QF Customers will understand IF you eventually have stop work meetings and even strikes, especially IF notice is given and preferably NOT in the school holidays.
However NO sane person would be happy with the person/s certifying for the safety of their aircraft purposely misusing their tools.
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Just proves how dextrous you have to be as a L.A.M.E, most guys I know could operate quite normally left or right handed - lets face it access with aeroplanes is not always perfect. Lots of exams, experience, regulations, procedures and deft hand skills - worth more money!!!!
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I'm sure that a surgeon would be thrilled to know that the work he or she does is comparative with that of a spanner-turner! Get real.
Hey Ken
A surgeon only gets to kill one person at a time if he stuffs it up. LOL.
Hey Ken
A surgeon only gets to kill one person at a time if he stuffs it up. LOL.
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I can't believe all the nancy boys posting here.
Some of you who purport to have been LAMEs should know better and that there is no misuse of tools by using your left hand.IF you were in fact a worker and not a pen pusher, you would realise that you need to use your non-dextrous hand occasionally,and that it in no way poses a safety threat.
OW has really got to be kidding if she & AJ really think that this is a safety issue,and yet have told the public that many of the other instances were not.Emergency lighting being stapled was not a safety issue,but using your non-dextrous hand is.
Geez Louise,get a grip on reality you bunch of tools,as this is just a legal technicality that needs to be overcome.
Bring on bans on higher duties, and overtime.Also the techlogs are looking very clean lately with all this extra OSIP work being cleared.Its time to be Green and to green up the place I think.
Some of you who purport to have been LAMEs should know better and that there is no misuse of tools by using your left hand.IF you were in fact a worker and not a pen pusher, you would realise that you need to use your non-dextrous hand occasionally,and that it in no way poses a safety threat.
OW has really got to be kidding if she & AJ really think that this is a safety issue,and yet have told the public that many of the other instances were not.Emergency lighting being stapled was not a safety issue,but using your non-dextrous hand is.
Geez Louise,get a grip on reality you bunch of tools,as this is just a legal technicality that needs to be overcome.
Bring on bans on higher duties, and overtime.Also the techlogs are looking very clean lately with all this extra OSIP work being cleared.Its time to be Green and to green up the place I think.