Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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I am just dumbfounded by what seems to be a perpetual situation at Qantas between its managemant and staff. The same scenarios seem to play out each EBA negotiation and at the end of the day nobody wins. Not the management, not the staff, and most importantly not the travelling public.
I do not and have not worked for Qantas, but one thing I can guarantee you is that Qantas is not the employer of choice in this country. There are a number of reasons on top of the debacle mentioned above which I and others I have spoken with see from the outside looking in.
1. Low pay.
2. Low staff moral.
3. Lack of training.
4. Lack of career progression.
5. THE BOYS CLUB.
These are but to name a few.
When will Qantas management begin to understand that a well paid, well trained, happy workforce causes everyone to be a winner. Them included.
I feel for you guys as it looks like you are heading down the same road as 2008....And I dont blame you one bit. The fact that the board is obviously endorsing this direction is food for thought.
GB
I do not and have not worked for Qantas, but one thing I can guarantee you is that Qantas is not the employer of choice in this country. There are a number of reasons on top of the debacle mentioned above which I and others I have spoken with see from the outside looking in.
1. Low pay.
2. Low staff moral.
3. Lack of training.
4. Lack of career progression.
5. THE BOYS CLUB.
These are but to name a few.
When will Qantas management begin to understand that a well paid, well trained, happy workforce causes everyone to be a winner. Them included.
I feel for you guys as it looks like you are heading down the same road as 2008....And I dont blame you one bit. The fact that the board is obviously endorsing this direction is food for thought.
GB
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divi 1 I ment the thread back on track...fed sec great news that the date has been set and yes if they dont know this well something is wrong in the upper levels of QF IR ...having just done the "service quality" briefing I am glad to say it was uplifiting in words but as I said we have heard it all before ...its time to follow it up with some actions..show us it in the EBA
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RIM,you know as well as I do they'll do everything they can to engage the staff as long as it costs next to nothing.The service quality nonsense is probably a training write off and nothing will follow.It allows staff to get the $#!T off their livers and hopefully pacified.
It is 90 % lip service only imho.C N may mean well and truly want things to change but he needs resources to do it and be able to show tangible change is taking place.
The board set the agenda the ceo ex com et al set policy and strategy around that agenda , the minions set it in motion.They then tick boxes bonuses achieved or otherwise.When the boxes are ticked the job is presumably done.So they measure again with another survey and it too disappears into the bureaucracy of IR and mid management. Ground hog day!!
The pure hatred & vitriol that was there between the staff and the managers/IR last time around is no where near as bad this time which must help.
Why an agreement cannot be reached more easily is beyond me.The alaea is not and has never been over the top with claims, in fact they have bent over too easily in times gone by.
In fact, the inability of qantas to see how much this policy costs them is astounding.
The best thing they could would be to be generous and non confrontational so as to cut out or limit the union influence.The reason for the recent strength of the alaea is a backlash at the tough guy tactics employed by the firm.The dog is tired of rolling over.
If the workforce is happy and looked after why would they need to lean on a union? Doh!! It ain't rocket surgery, surely?
It is 90 % lip service only imho.C N may mean well and truly want things to change but he needs resources to do it and be able to show tangible change is taking place.
The board set the agenda the ceo ex com et al set policy and strategy around that agenda , the minions set it in motion.They then tick boxes bonuses achieved or otherwise.When the boxes are ticked the job is presumably done.So they measure again with another survey and it too disappears into the bureaucracy of IR and mid management. Ground hog day!!
The pure hatred & vitriol that was there between the staff and the managers/IR last time around is no where near as bad this time which must help.
Why an agreement cannot be reached more easily is beyond me.The alaea is not and has never been over the top with claims, in fact they have bent over too easily in times gone by.
In fact, the inability of qantas to see how much this policy costs them is astounding.
The best thing they could would be to be generous and non confrontational so as to cut out or limit the union influence.The reason for the recent strength of the alaea is a backlash at the tough guy tactics employed by the firm.The dog is tired of rolling over.
If the workforce is happy and looked after why would they need to lean on a union? Doh!! It ain't rocket surgery, surely?
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It looks like another exodus is about to plague Base Maint Syd with guys taking postings and positions at outstations and others leaving the company.
One would question the state of mind guys must be in to pick up and leave.
The pride and personal satisfaction is a long lost memory.
One would question the state of mind guys must be in to pick up and leave.
The pride and personal satisfaction is a long lost memory.
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This should be fun.
The LAME's and the Pilots possibly undertaking protected industrial action at the same time if my sources are correct.
Should do wonders for the share price.
The LAME's and the Pilots possibly undertaking protected industrial action at the same time if my sources are correct.
Should do wonders for the share price.
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We'll just pad the place out with dad's army of retired LAMEs and disinterested up-skill fossils
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I'm a young dude recently licenced (well the last five years) but I don't understande this divisive crap
"We'll just pad the place out with dad's army of retired LAMEs and disinterested up-skill fossils!"
Aren't we all out for what's best for all of us ?
Without the old guys some of the ignorants I work with would not know how to fix anything to busy facebooking each other
Mouth shut, ears open I got a lot to learn and during PIA if it wasn't for the 'fossils' I personally may have buckled I was threatened sveral times and the old guys were the ones who backed me, my contemporaries did not want to be associated with me
"We'll just pad the place out with dad's army of retired LAMEs and disinterested up-skill fossils!"
Aren't we all out for what's best for all of us ?
Without the old guys some of the ignorants I work with would not know how to fix anything to busy facebooking each other
Mouth shut, ears open I got a lot to learn and during PIA if it wasn't for the 'fossils' I personally may have buckled I was threatened sveral times and the old guys were the ones who backed me, my contemporaries did not want to be associated with me
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dad's army of retired LAMEs and disinterested up-skill fossils
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OMOM, You have been brainwashed by these old guys.
This statement proves the point. You have held a license for 5 years yet you still refer to yourself as newly licenced!
Have a read of Short Circuits post.....
I'm a young dude recently licenced (well the last five years) but I don't understande this divisive crap
Have a read of Short Circuits post.....
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5 years or 25 years as a LAME, its either you have it or you dont! I dont count years of experience, I rate guys on how they operate, the level of work they put out and passion and pride they have in their work as this is a true reflection of experience coming to play.
Does anyone have an understanding or knowledge of what the comany has put on the table??
Does anyone have an understanding or knowledge of what the comany has put on the table??
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Our average age is still around fifty. A whole generation is looking to retire in the next year. Sadly some are dying. They cannot get many good quality apprentices and the ones they do get are older than normal. Commonly in their late 20's, 30's or even 40's. They cannot retain AME's because they are starting to realise they can earn more elsewhere and have a limited future at Qantas. Even CN has stated that the future holds less, but more qualified LAME's. The industries future is bleak but the engineers future is looking assured. They cannot continue to stuff us around forever. Stick together and look to the future.
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forstaff is and always will be a half ass joke of an employer. I wonder why QF still associates with them still. When I spent my time there it was nothing but lies from the management. This coupled with the people they put into management and some of the QF 'snr' lames make it a sad place. unfortunately the 744 is dying and your best bet is to move on.
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mate i agree,if it was not for the old fellows we all would know nothing....and us old fellows are still learning stuff anyone who does not think they can learn new things is kidding them selves....and i mean learning things from young guys as well.....fed sec does the company look like comming to the party yet and have you had a heart to heart with Alan yet and indicated to him how the work force feel and i mean "force" ....I am sure you have...not much responce on your question about "no LAME preflt"
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In the time I have been in the Industry , it has changed beyond recognition to what it was , I agree that we no longer attract the cream of school leavers , but that has been happening for some time . And , in my opinion it is all about the asspirations of smart young people , they do not want to crawl around engines and aircraft ( at leaast the smart ones don't ) they want to learn , explore and try out the world before they decide on a career and then change their minds . They are looking to the future not the past , not interested in battles won or lost , more their own future and they will decide for themselves , they will not need so called "UNION LEADERS " to guide them . As Bob Dylan so famously said " the times they are a changing"
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So "union leaders" should just go away should they?
What about the majority of people who want to be a part of a union, recognise what a union achieves for them and the protection against exploitation that unions provide?
You are so far out of touch with reality, I wonder if you really were ever on a hangar floor.
What about the majority of people who want to be a part of a union, recognise what a union achieves for them and the protection against exploitation that unions provide?
You are so far out of touch with reality, I wonder if you really were ever on a hangar floor.
What about the majority of people who want to be a part of a union, recognise what a union achieves for them and the protection against exploitation that unions provide?
Most probably never worked outside of the sheltered workshop of QANTAS either....