Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

[poacher2gamekeeper]

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[bandit2]

Cargo744,
Time to crawl back under your Boss's desk. You've said what he told you to say. Maybe this week you'll get 2 jellybeans.

[Cargo744]

Grow up Bandit. I work for a much bigger company than QF. The mirror is looking at you.

[33 Disengage]

Cargo - My point is that your original statement was false and misleading but you seem to have forgotten that. Maybe your bosses were attempting to negotiate in good faith for the last 13 months but, like you, are unable to hold a single discussion point for more than 5 mins.

[Cargo744]

Dissengage... Appropriate name. You don't know me and never will. When you do you can comment on my character.

[UPPERLOBE]

Cargo744 you seem to have no trouble commentating on your own character, so we'll leave it to you to run yourself down.

[Cargo744]

Upperlobe

In the words of Pauline "please explain". You Sir are a complete moron.

[UPPERLOBE]

Hahahahaha, the troll bites back.

[Millet Fanger]

Cargo

It appears to me that you are commenting on Upperlobe's character, yet you don't know Upperlobe. Looks like you have lost that train of thought again.

[Cargo744]

Upperlobe... Is that you Steve? Left hand again?

[Cargo744]

Millet... Looks like you are commenting on my character without knowing me.

[Millet Fanger]

Cargo

Are you on 4 times, or 5 times payment for working Sunday nights? Olivia always seemed unsure as to what the o/t payment was.

[Nassensteins Monster]

Cargo

Pilots holding the company to ransom with red ties and positive PAs?

Engineers holding the company to ransom with:
1. "Work to Rule" - rules the company wrote and expect us to comply with in totality (except when it doesn't suit and then they're happy to look the other way)
2. Overtime bans: are we that short staffed that an overtime ban lasting 8 weeks produces a supposed 60,000 manhour maintenance backlog? If so why is the company going to make 130 LAMEs redundant in April? They can't be too concerned about the maintenance backlog. Or mayhap it doth not exist?

Devastating stuff Cargo. Sure justified the companys response.

[bandit2]

Cargo744,
Time to grow up wouldn`t you say!

[aveng]

Cargo744

You are not employed by QF.

You know nothing about what is REALLY going on.

You have nothing to lose.

All you are interested in, is stirring the pot.

PLEASE crawl back under your rock!

[ACT Crusader]

Originally Posted by Nassensteins Monster

Pilots holding the company to ransom with red ties and positive PAs?

Engineers holding the company to ransom with:
1. "Work to Rule" - rules the company wrote and expect us to comply with in totality (except when it doesn't suit and then they're happy to look the other way)
2. Overtime bans: are we that short staffed that an overtime ban lasting 8 weeks produces a supposed 60,000 manhour maintenance backlog? If so why is the company going to make 130 LAMEs redundant in April? They can't be too concerned about the maintenance backlog. Or mayhap it doth not exist?

Devastating stuff Cargo. Sure justified the companys response.

I can understand the frustration of what appears to be an extraordinary step by QF - "over the top", "reckless" "irresponsible" "unwarranted". But from my point of view QF did nothing that was outside the FWA in notifying of a lockout in response to action that had occurred. The legislative test is if PIA had bee taken by employees.

Now trying to win the hearts and minds back is where the real test is for QF. Recovery from a position of lockout in my view is never easy. Who can forget the handful of workers locked out of Boeing for 200+ days. The public humiliation and name and shame they went through.

Nothing short of legislative change and removing that option will take away the possibility of this sort of action.

Given the positions of Government and opposition unless there are changes to the rules around both the ability of both employees and employers to take action then I can't see changes on this stuff.

Tweaks to the bargaining provisions might do something to curtail PIA but again any Government of any persuasion will want to appear to make changes that appear "balanced" based on their respective histories (Libs - "extreme Workchoices"; ALP - "bad old days of strikes")

[33 Disengage]

ACT - I think the jury is still out as to whether Qantas' actions and the resulting FWA decision are legal. Holding a nation to ransom because your pilots are wearing red ties is a bit extreme. These imported CEOs will do anything for a dollar, just ask Sol!

[ACT Crusader]

The Fed Court review will definitely be interesting and how that court views things.

There are definitely question marks around the evidence of the grounding of the fleet as a result of the notifying of the lockout. But the tomes of case law I've subjected myself to and the involvement in industrial disputes I would suggest that the decision to lockout would be fairly sound under the current guise of legislation. I don't think that can be disputed based on what actually transpired and how the FWA is worded.

As an old IR tragic, it does make things interesting nonetheless.

[neville_nobody]

I was of the understanding that the issue is that the QF industrial action was not in proportion to the industrial action by the staff.....or is that not an issue?

[ACT Crusader]

Originally Posted by neville_nobody

I was of the understanding that the issue is that the QF industrial action was not in proportion to the industrial action by the staff.....or is that not an issue?

Legislatively I don't think it's an issue. If a "proportionate" response was required by QF then I would think the unions would have been quick smart in FAir Work Aust arguing that the QF notification of lockout was 'threatened unprotected action" and sought a section 418 order against QF.

But in my view the union lawyers knew this was not an option and didnt pursue it in the Fair Work hearings on 29-31 Oct.

But if you're running a public campaign against QF then the disproportionate response card definitely comes into play to give weight to your argument that QF is being "unreasonable" "lacking good faith" "big bad management".