Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

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Pilots challenge Fair Work Ruling

Pilots have lodged appeal in Federal Court. AJ's dummy spit being challenged. Might have to return bat and ball.

How is this going to affect negotiations for us?

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Hey all,

Legal options are always on the cards. Right now we are in a few days worth of intense negotiations and we want to see what sort of an offer we can secure. From there an assessment will be made on the best way forward based on any offer and the prospective outcome of any court action. I think that the sensible road to travel right now.

cheers

[Hugh Mungous]

G'day Steve, I couldn't find the relevant thread re the Sunstate boys' dispute and subsequent hearing, just curious if there had been any progress or an outcome... Cheers mate, keep punching...

[ampclamp]

no news posted of late.
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...-sabotage.html

[Nassensteins Monster]

Qantas chair wants peace with unions: report

Qantas Airways chief executive Alan Joyce received a boost from company chairman Leigh Clifford, who said Mr Joyce is the right person to lead the airliner through difficult industrial relations, according to a report by the Australian Financial Review.

Mr Clifford said that in addition to backing Mr Joyce, he has advised the company's chief executive to prioritise making peace with its workforce.

“I say to Alan, it's all very well to win the war. We've got to think about how we win the war – but also how we win the peace. And right now that's well beyond the shore break,” Mr Clifford said, according to the AFR.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Apparently Bill Shorten not so upset with Qantas as to stop using The QANTAS CHAIRMAN'S LOUNGE seen entering at Melbourne Airport .

[PIOT Bord]

It is obvious that Qantas management blind sided us by turning the airline "off" for 2 days with NO notice. (Something olivia was in the media saying could not be done).

Qantas stated repeatedly that they were grounding a/c due to a maintenance backlog as a result of overtime bans which has since turned out to be a yield management ploy because forward booking were collapsing. Removing all industrial action in the week prior to the grounding of the fleet to assist in "clearing" the maintenance backlog didn't stop AJ from implementing his lock-out plan.

Qantas corporate were rejecting any ground made during EBA negotiations for over the 12 month period.

As the Qantas action was extreme, they were the party causing economic damage, and they were failing to "negotiate in good faith", surely we should be challenging the FWA decision? If not for ourselves, for all employees who's management only think of enriching themselves at the expense of the worker and/or the public!

[BP2197]

Can you imagine what FWA would think if Pprune transcripts were presented. Others may view our actions as 'extreme' or extremely stupid. Left hand screwdriver use comes to mind - my neighbour won't ever let me forget that fiasco....

[PIOT Bord]

BP - I think I remember what you are referring to. Was that the statement by olivia that an engine "letting go" (with a known but unactioned defect because QF offshored any ability to rectify it) during takeoff 'was not a safety incident' but an engineer with 20+ years experience using his left hand to work might 'need to be investigated as to whether it is an unsafe practice'?

[Ngineer]

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[Nassensteins Monster]

BP2197

Check the bottom of every page.

As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.

*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".

Actions speak louder than words. How would you describe grounding an airline for 48 hours on the grounds that your staff may be too distracted or driven to to sabotage on Saturday & Sunday but no risk on Monday, and in the process causing an estimated $250 million dollars damage to the economy and wiping $100 million off be brand, not to mention the tens of millions in compensation to inconvenienced pax?

[Cargo744]

Nasseinstein,m

How would you describe holding an airline to ransome? Ask SP i suggest

[QF94]

Nasseinstein,m

How would you describe holding an airline to ransome? Ask SP i suggest

Cargo744,

The airline was never held to ransom. Maybe trying to be brought to account.

When the ALAEA had advised of stoppages and then cancelled, these were due to unforseen circumstances like the grounding of Tiger Airlines after the notice for IA was given. This action was then rescinded so as not to inconvenience QANTAS. Another incident in May that the action was called off was due to the mounting technical difficulties of QANTAS planes.

Then there was the cancellation of PIA for a period of three weeks so as to get the seven grounded aircraft back in the air. There was no response from QANTAS other than "too little, too late". The fact that the seven grounded aircraft were pushed against the fence as they were being retired had nothing to do with it did it?

Ms Olivia Wirth turns around and claims you can't just switch an airline off and then switch it back on again without disrupting customers.

AJ certainly managed to do just that, and not only held the airline to ransom, but the government and the entire travelling public of QANTAS and associated businesses, at a cost far greater than paying the 3% being sought and to actually sit down and discuss the prospects of keeping a majority of jobs in Australia.

How to hold an airline to ransom Cargo744? Ask the QANTAS board and the PR machine.

[Cargo744]

QF

The FWA says different. Ask your Union masters what they think.

[QF94]

QF

The FWA says different. Ask your Union masters what they think.

I hadn't realised the FWA passed down a determination. I know they allowed PIA to take place, and all that was done was in accordance with the rule of FWA.

We know what the "union masters" thought and how it was used against them and the workers. It still doesn't amount to the hostage situation taken by the QF board.

Please elaborate Cargo744.

[Cargo744]

QF.

The FWA determined that all industrial action is terminated. Do you not read the news?

[QF94]

Yes, I read the news.

I was under the impression that you had some illuminating news from the FWA since the PIA was terminated, as we are all awaiting with baited breath to see what 20 November has in store for us. Whether there is a 21 day extension or it goes to arbitration and FWA makes their binding decision.

[Longbow25]

A decision which I now understand will be subject to a determination in the Federal Court with witnesses called to give evidence under oath and the probable subpoenaing of relevant documents.

Should be an interesting time ahead given that the Red Rat and the Irishman have shown no inclination to negotiate in good faith to this point.

Win loose or draw the Rat will continue to haemorrhage on a daily basis as staff exact their version of equity out of the mess that AJ created.

[33 Disengage]

Cargo - The FWA says different. Ask your Union masters what they think.

The FWA terminated all PIA because of the damage Qantas' action was inflicting on the nation, it's businesses and it's people. The FWA 'determined' that the action taken by the 3 unions was not inflicting significant damage and would not act against the unions had Qantas not used the nuclear option.

[Cargo744]

And your point is? QF management won the day and played you like a fiddle. Julia's legislation backfired big time.