Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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booglaboy,
I might as well use the last few brain cells and say that you and every other AJ critic are clearly drunk on emotions and ego. When the dust settles, it will be crystal clear that the CEO made a brilliant decision because he has a brilliant mind! For now, I am going to sit back and watch most of the LH pilots and engineers slowly loose their QF jobs in the months and years ahead. Any other decisions that AJ may need to make in the future will be a walk in the park compared to what he's already done.
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I might as well use the last few brain cells and say that you and every other AJ critic are clearly drunk on emotions and ego. When the dust settles, it will be crystal clear that the CEO made a brilliant decision because he has a brilliant mind! For now, I am going to sit back and watch most of the LH pilots and engineers slowly loose their QF jobs in the months and years ahead. Any other decisions that AJ may need to make in the future will be a walk in the park compared to what he's already done.
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ABC 24, without a doubt, providing the most well rounded coverage, thus far.
Freehills and Clifford, got some exposure, of industrial spats of the past.
One commentary was the feeling of other ministers, regarding this dispute, the reply being many were very, very pissed off with the conduct of Q.
Hope there is some follow through, on that.
Freehills and Clifford, got some exposure, of industrial spats of the past.
One commentary was the feeling of other ministers, regarding this dispute, the reply being many were very, very pissed off with the conduct of Q.
Hope there is some follow through, on that.
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Among other things middleman, retention of current job functions/work practices ( i.e. no dumbing down the industry with the introduction of "A" license personell)
According to a message from inside the FWA hearing, the ALAEA have stated that given the events of the last 24hrs that they would be prepared to rethink their claims and return to the bargaining table under a suspension of PIA.
Either FedSec has some hidden ace up his sleeve or I think there will be a lot fewer LAME's working at Qantas by the time the next EBA comes up for negotiation.
According to a message from inside the FWA hearing, the ALAEA have stated that given the events of the last 24hrs that they would be prepared to rethink their claims and return to the bargaining table under a suspension of PIA.
Either FedSec has some hidden ace up his sleeve or I think there will be a lot fewer LAME's working at Qantas by the time the next EBA comes up for negotiation.
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It seems that the Trolls/media/flying public are forgetting to ask one simple question.
Why are the unions asking for these so called unreasonable job security clauses?
The answer is quite simple.
Since the bad old days of Darth Dixon Qantas didn't just burn the bridge of trust with its staff IT NUKED IT!
No one trusts them. Everyone knows that once the EBA is implemented there will be nothing stopping them from achieving their ambitions offshore. Having job security clauses in EBA's may help slow them down.. a little.
Every staff member wants QF to prosper, but it becomes very difficult to carry out our work with the lack of resources available. The money that QF intends on spending setting up offshore should be used here to polish the turd they have and bring back the customers.
Why are the unions asking for these so called unreasonable job security clauses?
The answer is quite simple.
Since the bad old days of Darth Dixon Qantas didn't just burn the bridge of trust with its staff IT NUKED IT!
No one trusts them. Everyone knows that once the EBA is implemented there will be nothing stopping them from achieving their ambitions offshore. Having job security clauses in EBA's may help slow them down.. a little.
Every staff member wants QF to prosper, but it becomes very difficult to carry out our work with the lack of resources available. The money that QF intends on spending setting up offshore should be used here to polish the turd they have and bring back the customers.
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nice to see these shiney bums getting a taste of shiftwork,
working the equivalent of a dayshift and afternoon shift on
the weekend.
next time they should try it using torches, outside in a rainstorm.
working the equivalent of a dayshift and afternoon shift on
the weekend.
next time they should try it using torches, outside in a rainstorm.
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So,
Industrial action terminated. 21 days to reach agreement. It had better include a bloody good redundancy package, because I have no faith in Qantas management, or the Australian government or FWA for that matter.
Democracy my arse!!!
Industrial action terminated. 21 days to reach agreement. It had better include a bloody good redundancy package, because I have no faith in Qantas management, or the Australian government or FWA for that matter.
Democracy my arse!!!
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This is without doubt the most disgusting thing I have EVER seen in my whole Life, and that horrid Irish 
is still this morning blaming it all on the Unions.
I never worked for Qantas but was always so proud to travel on this great Aussie Icon, but like the vast majority of people will NEVER fly with them again.
is still this morning blaming it all on the Unions. I never worked for Qantas but was always so proud to travel on this great Aussie Icon, but like the vast majority of people will NEVER fly with them again.
And in three months time, when the global economy again melts down, Qantas will ask its employees to once again make sacrifices for the good of the company.
....and it will be met by a wall of silence.
....and it will be met by a wall of silence.
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Kudos to Joyce
Well first of all I am a Qantas pilot.
If you can sit back and look what Joyce has done, it has to rank as one of the smartest industrial moves anywhere in the world. You really have to hand it to him as a brilliant strategist. - You don't have to agree with what he is doing, that is another thing.
Lets look at what he has done. ....
He has locked out the workers. A move that may or may not be legal. Well it is not. He is in breach of so many laws he could be put in behind bars for a long time.....
Well not really. He grounded the airline. - yep he can do that anytime, it is his airline. And he scared the government / workers / unions that he has a result BEFORE he locked out the worker. Yep no one was ever locked out. so he was not in breach of the law. Kudos to Alan
He has killed the governments IR laws in 48 hours. Yep what Abbot has been trying to do for so long, Alan has done in just 48 hours. Now all you have to do to ban your employees from doing anything is to lock them out over the weekend. Kudos for Alan
He has killed any hope of Gillard ever getting back in.
Wondered why he told the media that he gave the prime minister 3 hours to respond to a phone call? (Well he didn't do that OW told the media that, so Alan has a fall girl.) He did that to throw fuel on the fire. The ALP is going down. What do you do to get political favours from the new government? You throw kids overboard, or give the PM 3 hours to answer a phone call when she is hosting the heads of state, and has no time to consult with her advisors and obtain legal advice. The phone message was probably something like "Hi, call AJ it is really important." Not if I don't get a response in 3 hours I am shutting down the Australian air network.
So just how much will Abbot owe Joyce for humiliating Gillard in front of the world leaders?
So in 48 hours he has removed any possibility of strikes, work to rule, PA's. He has killed the governments IR laws - no more PIA
He has deeply wounded Gillard. IR laws and heads of state.
So the mileage he will get with the new government will enable him to do anything with the airline. Expect
1: 50 flight attendants to Pax (like NZ and the US)
Expect softening of the QF sales act.
Expect modified flight and duty times.
Yep it was a brilliant move. He has out smarted all of the unions and the government.
I just wish he was working for the good of the company........
If you can sit back and look what Joyce has done, it has to rank as one of the smartest industrial moves anywhere in the world. You really have to hand it to him as a brilliant strategist. - You don't have to agree with what he is doing, that is another thing.
Lets look at what he has done. ....
He has locked out the workers. A move that may or may not be legal. Well it is not. He is in breach of so many laws he could be put in behind bars for a long time.....
Well not really. He grounded the airline. - yep he can do that anytime, it is his airline. And he scared the government / workers / unions that he has a result BEFORE he locked out the worker. Yep no one was ever locked out. so he was not in breach of the law. Kudos to Alan
He has killed the governments IR laws in 48 hours. Yep what Abbot has been trying to do for so long, Alan has done in just 48 hours. Now all you have to do to ban your employees from doing anything is to lock them out over the weekend. Kudos for Alan
He has killed any hope of Gillard ever getting back in.
Wondered why he told the media that he gave the prime minister 3 hours to respond to a phone call? (Well he didn't do that OW told the media that, so Alan has a fall girl.) He did that to throw fuel on the fire. The ALP is going down. What do you do to get political favours from the new government? You throw kids overboard, or give the PM 3 hours to answer a phone call when she is hosting the heads of state, and has no time to consult with her advisors and obtain legal advice. The phone message was probably something like "Hi, call AJ it is really important." Not if I don't get a response in 3 hours I am shutting down the Australian air network.
So just how much will Abbot owe Joyce for humiliating Gillard in front of the world leaders?
So in 48 hours he has removed any possibility of strikes, work to rule, PA's. He has killed the governments IR laws - no more PIA
He has deeply wounded Gillard. IR laws and heads of state.
So the mileage he will get with the new government will enable him to do anything with the airline. Expect
1: 50 flight attendants to Pax (like NZ and the US)
Expect softening of the QF sales act.
Expect modified flight and duty times.
Yep it was a brilliant move. He has out smarted all of the unions and the government.
I just wish he was working for the good of the company........
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Edited to remove a rant that would serve no purpose more than stoke these c@#ts psychopathic egos.
Has anyone else noted the complete 180 in the reporting in the papers.
Check out smh, Qantas ripe for takeover story. It's like they're finally reading sandilands. I think the overbearing thug Clifford has finally gone too far and alienated the people, the press AND the government.
Mr Xenophon might find he has a fair bit of support n his new bill after all.
Btw, has anyone else noted how god awful this site is on smartphones?
Has anyone else noted the complete 180 in the reporting in the papers.
Check out smh, Qantas ripe for takeover story. It's like they're finally reading sandilands. I think the overbearing thug Clifford has finally gone too far and alienated the people, the press AND the government.
Mr Xenophon might find he has a fair bit of support n his new bill after all.
Btw, has anyone else noted how god awful this site is on smartphones?
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Clipped,
That is good advice. Anyone who thinks they can go slow, go sick, or otherwise try and restrict the operation of the business will be smartly escorted through the door I'd say.
AJ is a hero. The three unions have been trashing the airline and brand over a very long period of time. In only 48 hours, AJ has permanently trashed AIPA, TWU and the engineers with ease!
I said it before, you guys did it to yourselves. Job security...what a joke. Its amazing you actually had the audacity to even ask for job security in this challenging environment.
NP
PS ejectx3, Please advise me if you find any spelling errors in this post. I'm happy to be corrected.
That is good advice. Anyone who thinks they can go slow, go sick, or otherwise try and restrict the operation of the business will be smartly escorted through the door I'd say.
AJ is a hero. The three unions have been trashing the airline and brand over a very long period of time. In only 48 hours, AJ has permanently trashed AIPA, TWU and the engineers with ease!
I said it before, you guys did it to yourselves. Job security...what a joke. Its amazing you actually had the audacity to even ask for job security in this challenging environment.
NP
PS ejectx3, Please advise me if you find any spelling errors in this post. I'm happy to be corrected.
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AJ is a hero
With any luck at all he will be out of Qantas soon, Adam Bandt of the Greens is currently on Sky News blaming (correctly) AJ for everything, he is insisting that AJ gives his ridiculous pay rise back, and the Government take a direct interest in the negotiations and future running of Qantas.
He, Bob Katter and Nick Xenophon are the Aussie heroes, NOT AJ.
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Be careful what you wish for!
Adam Bandt of the Greens is currently on Sky News blaming (correctly) AJ for everything, he is insisting that AJ gives his ridiculous pay rise back, and the Government take a direct interest in the negotiations and future running of Qantas.
He, Bob Katter and Nick Xenophon are the Aussie heroes, NOT AJ.
He, Bob Katter and Nick Xenophon are the Aussie heroes, NOT AJ.
The way I see it, you are in a fight for the support of middle Australia and the actions of the CEO on the weekend may have tipped the PR war slightly in your favour.
However, when you have political extremists (ie Bandt, Brown & Katter) in your corner, the suspicion radar on the average punter who has no inside knowledge of your fight will start pinging like crazy and what PR ground that you have made will be lost. There is no point in preaching to the converted.
You need to keep hammering your message, stay on topic and focus the public that the real reason behind the lack of negotiation on QF's side of the fence is that they want Qantas to die. They want Qantas to be sold off to the lowest bidder. Inform the public and do not let extremists hijack your cause.
If you want evidence of how this can happen, you need look no further than the "Occupy" protest in Melbourne. This was a cause, that if sold properly may have garnered the support of middle Australia, however once the normal extremist rent-a-crowd aka socialist alliance etc became involved, all potential support from middle Australia was lost.
I believe that the best way to continue your momentum would be for all of those in dispute to agree to let Capt Woodward be the spokesperson for ALL disaffected Qantas workers. I think that he presents the most moderate voice that middle Australia will have no political/philosophical opposition to.
Please be careful how you go forward. I know that you have more invested than any of us who don't work there, so please take my message as it was meant, a message of support
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My hats of the Steve and his team , some people might say that Qantas won out , I say that the world now sees Qantas Management for what it really is and what the employees have seen for quite some time . Its all about greed and bonus's , what a engaged staff they will have returning 
Have seen even the Qantas die hards have now changed their view on the Company.
Never been so proud to be a ALAEA union member
Have seen even the Qantas die hards have now changed their view on the Company.
Never been so proud to be a ALAEA union member
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the weekend may have tipped the PR war slightly in your favour.
I believe that the best way to continue your momentum would be for all of those in dispute to agree to let Capt Woodward be the spokesperson for ALL disaffected Qantas workers
The problem is a lot of people see QANTAS workers as what we used to call in other industry's as Koala bears (protected species). If QANTAS has to survive then these perceptions need to be countered.
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I say that the world now sees Qantas Management for what it really is
NP, thanks for your advice. It's interesting how one would determine a 'go slow' when we are continually bombarded with rules, regs, safety and quality notices and a plethora of other data and documentation, before even turning a screw. They throw obstacle after obstacle at us and over the past few weeks, we are accused of go slows.
Their lies and hypocrisy.
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And then you are always told to take 5, ie slow down and think for a while about what & how you will do it and then start, THIS IS POLICY, mandated go slow, FROM MANAGEMENT....