Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Are you people ****in stupid. Go home, sell you McMansion and move to the country. If you want to keep fighting you will lose you home,your 2 lease cars and your way of life. Wake up.
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After reading the news reels, it seems Gillard is a gutless wench with no backbone..
She needs to stop talikng, step in and do something.
She has said nothing and done nothing while 1 little irishman has pulled the nation to a halt.
Gutless welsch wench.
And by the way, not a word from any union reps, not a word.
She needs to stop talikng, step in and do something.
She has said nothing and done nothing while 1 little irishman has pulled the nation to a halt.
Gutless welsch wench.
And by the way, not a word from any union reps, not a word.
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For those who cannot see further than the end of their nose this is what so called intelligent businessmen won't be telling you:
management spin about competing globally means you go down to the lowest common denominator. Reduced wages, reduced tax income for the government which ultimately means reduced social infrastructure, i.e. health care, pensions etc. everything.
Australia cannot and should not compete with countries like China unless ALL Australians are prepared to except a drop in living standards in order to remain competitive.
Of course the drop won't affect management who will still earn their oversized wages.
Australian wages and product pricing takes into account the social infrastructure in place in Australia and every product bought adds to the pot for the benefit of all Australians.
Tickets bought for an Australian led airline based in Asia adds to the pockets of management and possibly the social pots of whichever country the airline is based. It will not add anything significant to the Australian pot.
The real question here is whether one accepts a drop in living standards for ALL Australians or whether one sends out a message of "not with us".
We need to start applying some moral common sense to these issues. Global competitiveness is a one way street. Levi Strauss is an excellent example.
Not one single pair of levi jeans are still produced in America. They are all produced outside the USA to save costs. Yet every single pair of levi jeans are sold for the maximum they can achieve in each individual country meaning that the costs savings have not been passed on to the customer, so where is all that extra cash?
Perhaps someone should take a serious look at management wages for the real answer to these sorts of disputes.
You are a fool if you seriously believe the Qantas line.
management spin about competing globally means you go down to the lowest common denominator. Reduced wages, reduced tax income for the government which ultimately means reduced social infrastructure, i.e. health care, pensions etc. everything.
Australia cannot and should not compete with countries like China unless ALL Australians are prepared to except a drop in living standards in order to remain competitive.
Of course the drop won't affect management who will still earn their oversized wages.
Australian wages and product pricing takes into account the social infrastructure in place in Australia and every product bought adds to the pot for the benefit of all Australians.
Tickets bought for an Australian led airline based in Asia adds to the pockets of management and possibly the social pots of whichever country the airline is based. It will not add anything significant to the Australian pot.
The real question here is whether one accepts a drop in living standards for ALL Australians or whether one sends out a message of "not with us".
We need to start applying some moral common sense to these issues. Global competitiveness is a one way street. Levi Strauss is an excellent example.
Not one single pair of levi jeans are still produced in America. They are all produced outside the USA to save costs. Yet every single pair of levi jeans are sold for the maximum they can achieve in each individual country meaning that the costs savings have not been passed on to the customer, so where is all that extra cash?
Perhaps someone should take a serious look at management wages for the real answer to these sorts of disputes.
You are a fool if you seriously believe the Qantas line.
And by the way, not a word from any union reps, not a word.
looking back at post #1 of this thread
seems that 2008 was the warm up of 2011
Hang onto your hats folks, looks like this could be 2008 all over again if, after day 1, the only words QF management can muster during negotiations is NO.
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Can somebody please explain to me how this works.
Under Fair work Australia laws the engineers have to give 3 days notice of any industrial action they wish to take. Qantas seem to be allowed to hold the whole workforce and the Australian public to ransom with absolutely no notice. The engineers have called off any industrial action for 3 weeks, so for Qantas to claim this is in reaction to their action is an out and out lie.
The board seem hell bent on damaging the brand at every opportunity, while making the unions the scapegoats for their actions. When the union called off its action to get the "retired" aircraft back into the skies, they sent a clear message to travellers that they did not want to be the ones to inconvenience them. Now Qantas go and do this and still try to blame the unions.
Seeing that picture of AJ makes my blood boil.
Under Fair work Australia laws the engineers have to give 3 days notice of any industrial action they wish to take. Qantas seem to be allowed to hold the whole workforce and the Australian public to ransom with absolutely no notice. The engineers have called off any industrial action for 3 weeks, so for Qantas to claim this is in reaction to their action is an out and out lie.
The board seem hell bent on damaging the brand at every opportunity, while making the unions the scapegoats for their actions. When the union called off its action to get the "retired" aircraft back into the skies, they sent a clear message to travellers that they did not want to be the ones to inconvenience them. Now Qantas go and do this and still try to blame the unions.
Seeing that picture of AJ makes my blood boil.
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Spur of the moment!!!
I can confirm that the manager who arrived in Adelaide yesterday to "assist" with any problems announced by the grounding had received his orders on FRIDAY night. 
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one eye redundant:
As I understand it:
Qantas Management's PIA does not commence until 8pm Monday night. Everyone gets paid til then. Presumably, Qantas management notified the appropriate body with the appropriate period to enable their PIA to commence 8pm Monday night.
The grounding of the airline is separate to the Qantas management PIA. The grounding is not Industrial Action (but is a 'precautionary' measure as a result of the Qantas management PIA) and therefore it is not required to be notified. All staff are still being paid even though no aircraft are flying.
If FWA doesnt suspend or terminate ALL PIA related to this dispute, The members at Qantas covered by AIPA, ALAEA and TWU (Pilots, LAMEs, Baggage Handlers) will be locked out and not paid from 8pm Monday, for an indefinite period.
All other staff will attend work and be paid as normal.
Can somebody please explain to me how this works.
Qantas Management's PIA does not commence until 8pm Monday night. Everyone gets paid til then. Presumably, Qantas management notified the appropriate body with the appropriate period to enable their PIA to commence 8pm Monday night.
The grounding of the airline is separate to the Qantas management PIA. The grounding is not Industrial Action (but is a 'precautionary' measure as a result of the Qantas management PIA) and therefore it is not required to be notified. All staff are still being paid even though no aircraft are flying.
If FWA doesnt suspend or terminate ALL PIA related to this dispute, The members at Qantas covered by AIPA, ALAEA and TWU (Pilots, LAMEs, Baggage Handlers) will be locked out and not paid from 8pm Monday, for an indefinite period.
All other staff will attend work and be paid as normal.