Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Just been watching Sky News all morning, not a lot of consolation I Know, but at least good to know that the vast majority of Qantas pax they have interviewed put the blame solely where it belongs with AJ. 
Good luck with it all, think we need to deport someone home to Ireland and also keep Qantas in Australia, preferably Government owned again.
Good luck with it all, think we need to deport someone home to Ireland and also keep Qantas in Australia, preferably Government owned again.
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Two dodgy looking gents turned up at my door this morning with a letter ( QF embossed in corner),when they can act a bit more professionally & identify themselves appropriately, I might accept there letter.
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PIA or no PIA, I will sure as heck be sticking 100% to ALL Qantas working procedures regarding my work, these pricks will be looking for ANY excuse to avoid refundancy payouts!!
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Of this I have no doubt.....and I'm an employee
FWA will rule and force a "Termination" of all pia by all 3 unions in dispute.
They "the government" have a gun to thier head today at FWA and there will be too much bad political fallout for them to bare if the alternative choice available to FWA of a suspension to pia. QF have said publicly they will not except "suspension". The 21 days of arbritation will begin and at the 11th hour of day 21 the workers will be told to except the crumbs on offer from QF management.
QF will win, sad I know but this is how I see things panning out imo.
Makes a mockery of eba "negotiations" and supposed lawful "PIA".
Like playing blackjack with QF and they are the dealer but the government own the casino.
FWA will rule and force a "Termination" of all pia by all 3 unions in dispute.
They "the government" have a gun to thier head today at FWA and there will be too much bad political fallout for them to bare if the alternative choice available to FWA of a suspension to pia. QF have said publicly they will not except "suspension". The 21 days of arbritation will begin and at the 11th hour of day 21 the workers will be told to except the crumbs on offer from QF management.
QF will win, sad I know but this is how I see things panning out imo.
Makes a mockery of eba "negotiations" and supposed lawful "PIA".
Like playing blackjack with QF and they are the dealer but the government own the casino.
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The outcome you envision is the most probable and sad scenario.
How wonderful to live in this true democracy. Citizens having a say in government, freedom of speech, protected rights ..... hang on, I'm fantasizing.
Enter the greedy and you will bow to these masters of the universe.
How wonderful to live in this true democracy. Citizens having a say in government, freedom of speech, protected rights ..... hang on, I'm fantasizing.
Enter the greedy and you will bow to these masters of the universe.
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Anyone betting otherwise?
Sigh.
AJ and LC have done nothing like that with the grounding move - but they have set in train, the precise events they wanted to have in place.
Employees unbalanced by shock tactics, worrying more now about how they'll meet the mortgage and put food on the table in the next few weeks - politicians scurrying to cave in to corporate demands, before they too, lose their arses in the fallout - and in the meantime, the board have their next move carefully mapped out, as the results of their current move produce exactly the conditions they sought.
Employees unbalanced by shock tactics, worrying more now about how they'll meet the mortgage and put food on the table in the next few weeks - politicians scurrying to cave in to corporate demands, before they too, lose their arses in the fallout - and in the meantime, the board have their next move carefully mapped out, as the results of their current move produce exactly the conditions they sought.
Sunfish's observation about a new private equity bid would also be my best guess as to motive behind what is going on. In many ways the industrial action is a way to divert attention. Watch the magicians other hand.
There is nothing new under the sun, this is just another shell game. History is littered with examples of the already obscenely wealthy destroying the people around them for profit & pleasure. The people running this organisation are no exception.
War is being waged against you.
There is nothing new under the sun, this is just another shell game. History is littered with examples of the already obscenely wealthy destroying the people around them for profit & pleasure. The people running this organisation are no exception.
War is being waged against you.
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My friend's (a lowly manager) wife knew about the grounding on Friday night......
....but didn't AJ swear the decision wasn't made until Saturday morning????
LIAR LIAR LIAR
....but didn't AJ swear the decision wasn't made until Saturday morning????
LIAR LIAR LIAR
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They've crunched the numbers and decided that this is the quickest and cheapest option to end the dispute.
Maybe we should go with it and completely walk out until December 18. There will be no-one left to support Atlas, Jetconnect, or freighter ops. Jet* would also subsequently fold in the process.
We are all dead ducks, just bring it. At least we will take senior management out with us.
Maybe we should go with it and completely walk out until December 18. There will be no-one left to support Atlas, Jetconnect, or freighter ops. Jet* would also subsequently fold in the process.
We are all dead ducks, just bring it. At least we will take senior management out with us.
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So what if managers were pre briefed. The board was acting in a very responsible and pro-active way by planning for multiple possible scenario's. That is an appropriate way to assess threats and deal with them accordingly. Threats such as Unions saying their thuggery would go on for 12 months or more! Then on Saturday morning, the magnificent board got together and said enough is enough, and chose the course of action we now see. Get over folks, its checkmate!
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New piper, have you been smoking the same crack-pipe as aj and lc and the board? I feel you are bringing the IQ of the nation down. Please save your few remaining brain cells for another forum
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I know that I shouldn't feed the trolls, but here goes.
Qantas LAMEs have more pride in the brand and the product that they deliver every day than greedy corporate scum could ever understand. If these same greedy scum choose to run this once proud airline into the ground for their own personal profit and satisfaction, then that is probably what they will do.
All I will say is don't expect us to accept it and go down without a fight.
SP and the ALAEA exec. We are behind you 100%
By the way, does anyone know why a Qantas 737 was seen flying over Leichardt at about 8pm this evening? I thought the fleet was grounded.
Maybe just more lies!
I know that I shouldn't feed the trolls, but here goes.
Qantas LAMEs have more pride in the brand and the product that they deliver every day than greedy corporate scum could ever understand. If these same greedy scum choose to run this once proud airline into the ground for their own personal profit and satisfaction, then that is probably what they will do.
All I will say is don't expect us to accept it and go down without a fight.
SP and the ALAEA exec. We are behind you 100%
By the way, does anyone know why a Qantas 737 was seen flying over Leichardt at about 8pm this evening? I thought the fleet was grounded.
Maybe just more lies!
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booglaboy,
I might as well use the last few brain cells and say that you and every other AJ critic are clearly drunk on emotions and ego. When the dust settles, it will be crystal clear that the CEO made a brilliant decision because he has a brilliant mind! For now, I am going to sit back and watch most of the LH pilots and engineers slowly loose their QF jobs in the months and years ahead. Any other decisions that AJ may need to make in the future will be a walk in the park compared to what he's already done.
NP
I might as well use the last few brain cells and say that you and every other AJ critic are clearly drunk on emotions and ego. When the dust settles, it will be crystal clear that the CEO made a brilliant decision because he has a brilliant mind! For now, I am going to sit back and watch most of the LH pilots and engineers slowly loose their QF jobs in the months and years ahead. Any other decisions that AJ may need to make in the future will be a walk in the park compared to what he's already done.
NP
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New Piper,
Do you by any chance give AJ regular check ups with his health problems? I have rarely witnessed someone so in love with another human being without the sound of wedding bells looming.
Do you by any chance give AJ regular check ups with his health problems? I have rarely witnessed someone so in love with another human being without the sound of wedding bells looming.
I am going to sit back and watch most of the LH pilots and engineers slowly loose their QF jobs in the months and years ahead.
By the way, does anyone know why a Qantas 737 was seen flying over Leichardt at about 8pm this evening? I thought the fleet was grounded.
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Dear oh dear newpiper. A brilliant mind? A delusional mind who is committing corporate suicide. His next decision will be whether to share a prison cell with bubba or bubba's boyfriend. Me thinks 22 million Australians would like him to vacate the country in a hurry.
