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Full steam ahead
The way the EBA negotiations appear to be going its rather apparent that the iceberg looms large as we head towards December.
Will the Captain go down with his ship or will it be CEO and management types to the lifeboats whilst the crew pay for their insubordination.
I believe that yet again air traffic controllers will be in the cross-hairs, thanks TFN its a pleasure doing business with you particularily in regard to our EBA.
Despite all of your rhetoric we know where we stand, you are simply the worst manager our organisation has had the misfortune to contract, yes remember that your tenure is finite the rest of us until you arrived at least felt that we could work for ASA indefinitely. You sure fixed that!
December here we come!!!!!
Will the Captain go down with his ship or will it be CEO and management types to the lifeboats whilst the crew pay for their insubordination.
I believe that yet again air traffic controllers will be in the cross-hairs, thanks TFN its a pleasure doing business with you particularily in regard to our EBA.
Despite all of your rhetoric we know where we stand, you are simply the worst manager our organisation has had the misfortune to contract, yes remember that your tenure is finite the rest of us until you arrived at least felt that we could work for ASA indefinitely. You sure fixed that!
December here we come!!!!!
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Do believe AsA's actions today show how desperate upper management is to point the finger of blame in some (any) other direction, especially as it seems the problems they are encountering were conveyed to the present CEO within days of him taking over - nearly 3 years ago.
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ASA are taking Civilair to the IRC, blaming them for an industrial campaign that is causing service disruptions.
Civilair has NEVER directed ATCs not to do overtime. Apparently there were some 'notes' left in a couple of peoples 'mailboxes' at work.Who (?) it was who actually left these notes is not known.
ASA contend that this is some form of industrial action, they have also been furnished with a couple of edited comments off the Civilair Members Only forum site, and are citing these to back up their dubious claim.
They are not citing the many comments on the site that pertain to, an individuals right to assess their own fitness for duty in regards to overtime, ASAs total mismanagement over the last six years of its workforce planning, or the fatigue and disengagement of its workforce. ASA don't do 'balance'.
ASA will cite this trip to the IRC as an example of an industrial action, and try to lay the blame on the controllers in an attempt to cover up the culture which has been exacerbated under Greg Russells stewardship.
Who has 'gained' under this 'discovery' of notes? If in fact, someone did attempt to intimidate people, ASA should track them down and discipline accordingly.
Civilair has NEVER directed ATCs not to do overtime. Apparently there were some 'notes' left in a couple of peoples 'mailboxes' at work.Who (?) it was who actually left these notes is not known.
ASA contend that this is some form of industrial action, they have also been furnished with a couple of edited comments off the Civilair Members Only forum site, and are citing these to back up their dubious claim.
They are not citing the many comments on the site that pertain to, an individuals right to assess their own fitness for duty in regards to overtime, ASAs total mismanagement over the last six years of its workforce planning, or the fatigue and disengagement of its workforce. ASA don't do 'balance'.
ASA will cite this trip to the IRC as an example of an industrial action, and try to lay the blame on the controllers in an attempt to cover up the culture which has been exacerbated under Greg Russells stewardship.
Who has 'gained' under this 'discovery' of notes? If in fact, someone did attempt to intimidate people, ASA should track them down and discipline accordingly.
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Apparently there were some 'notes' left in a couple of peoples 'mailboxes' at work.
Bullyboy tactics by either side can't be condoned.
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advice from the civilair site is that AsA withdraw their application this morning.
don't know the reason for sure, but I would guess that the "evidence" of anonymous notes was not a sound basis for their claim.
As someone on the union web site suggested, if we had the equivalent of AsA's spin department, we could claim that "Airservices admits ATCs aren't engaged in industrial action".
But we already knew that.
As has been said repeatedly, one day (hopefully soon) AsA will realise that cutting back the training capability/capacity, and removing 107 controllers from seperating aircraft, was always going to have an effect.
don't know the reason for sure, but I would guess that the "evidence" of anonymous notes was not a sound basis for their claim.
As someone on the union web site suggested, if we had the equivalent of AsA's spin department, we could claim that "Airservices admits ATCs aren't engaged in industrial action".
But we already knew that.
As has been said repeatedly, one day (hopefully soon) AsA will realise that cutting back the training capability/capacity, and removing 107 controllers from seperating aircraft, was always going to have an effect.
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advice from the civilair site is that AsA withdraw their application this morning.
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LapSap,
What are you on about?
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed and am a mere Approach wacko but the IRC thing was Sydney and surrounding airspace. What has regional services got to do with it?
Or, are you talking about those working Tassie airspace that are doing 9 (or is it 10) days on and 1 day off to keep it all afloat? (Airspace staffing NOT Tasmania...get it...afloat...thats a joke
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Someone throw me a bone here!!!
I'm trying to deal with Australia's spinning crisis in Bangalore for fecks sake gents, provide more info as to whom we are to kneecap.
I personally prefer a Sydney kneecapping because the waterfront areas are far more salubrious nowadays.
But, jokes aside, I'm awaiting a pan call from the AWB...going circles with terrain, Icebergs, dissaffected staff etc.
The USA, solve a debt crisis by creating more debt; Airservices, solve a staffing crisis by pissing off and disenfranchising your staff where the global market is rubber stamping.
This is going to get interesting.
Jail terms following the Royal Commission?
Bill
What are you on about?
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed and am a mere Approach wacko but the IRC thing was Sydney and surrounding airspace. What has regional services got to do with it?
Or, are you talking about those working Tassie airspace that are doing 9 (or is it 10) days on and 1 day off to keep it all afloat? (Airspace staffing NOT Tasmania...get it...afloat...thats a joke
).Someone throw me a bone here!!!
I'm trying to deal with Australia's spinning crisis in Bangalore for fecks sake gents, provide more info as to whom we are to kneecap.
I personally prefer a Sydney kneecapping because the waterfront areas are far more salubrious nowadays.
But, jokes aside, I'm awaiting a pan call from the AWB...going circles with terrain, Icebergs, dissaffected staff etc.
The USA, solve a debt crisis by creating more debt; Airservices, solve a staffing crisis by pissing off and disenfranchising your staff where the global market is rubber stamping.
This is going to get interesting.
Jail terms following the Royal Commission?
Bill
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Lionel has been representing AsA for years, judging by their strike rate! 
They can only pull these smoke-and-mirrors stunts so often before the Minister wakes up and has a look at the bridge they are selling.
They can only pull these smoke-and-mirrors stunts so often before the Minister wakes up and has a look at the bridge they are selling.
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Apparently 2 of the 3 controllers who called in sick in SY were NOT Civil Air members.
"Captain! Icebergs on the horizon" "Flank speed son, I know my way around here".
I'm trying to sell dehyd popcorn on the internet...
- We have our baggy green boys pushing brown substances up an incline in the subcontinent;
- The immolation of Capitalism because some in America think that a picture of George washington on green and white paper is similar to the picture of Benny Franklin so lets multiply that money 'invisibly' (sp); and,
- Lies, deciept and 7 figure salaries...
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Airservices has a coloured history in respect of matters of fraud... hence the appointment of Fraud Control Officers a few years ago. Don't underestimate the ability of individuals to create fraudulent documents and make false statements with malicious intent. It's happened before.
With time... small corruptions... become big corruptions.
With time... small corruptions... become big corruptions.
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Bit late but here is what was posted in CEO Direct...
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Special CEO Direct - 3 October 2008
Friday, 3 October 2008
Airservices Australia has today made an application to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission asking it to intervene and stop industrial action that has caused serious disruption to air traffic movements into and out of Sydney in the last 24 hours.
We have taken this action to address an increase in service disruptions caused by some Air Traffic Controllers refusing to work reasonable overtime to cover unplanned absences. These disruptions have coincided with the commencement of our Collective Agreement negotiations.
It is a credit to the professionalism of the majority of our ATC staff that they are getting on with it and getting the job done. It has become obvious that there is a minority that aren’t doing the right thing and Airservices can no longer tolerate the disruption to our customers.
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Special CEO Direct - 3 October 2008
Friday, 3 October 2008
Airservices Australia has today made an application to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission asking it to intervene and stop industrial action that has caused serious disruption to air traffic movements into and out of Sydney in the last 24 hours.
We have taken this action to address an increase in service disruptions caused by some Air Traffic Controllers refusing to work reasonable overtime to cover unplanned absences. These disruptions have coincided with the commencement of our Collective Agreement negotiations.
It is a credit to the professionalism of the majority of our ATC staff that they are getting on with it and getting the job done. It has become obvious that there is a minority that aren’t doing the right thing and Airservices can no longer tolerate the disruption to our customers.
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So a "minority of staff" are involved in industrial action by refusing to work on their days off......causing major disruptions.
What would happen if a majority of staff engaged in industrial action, and decided not to work on THEIR DAYS OFF?
What would happen if the majority of staff engaged in real industrial action, and not just the excuse-for-not-being-able-to-balance-making-my-bonus-as-well-as-keeping-the-shop-open lies? I guess the CEO could blame-shift with a straight face. Maybe thats (cue sinister music) the plan?
I think August 135, 2008 might go down in history as a watershed in industrial relations at AsA.
I'd have to think about it, but if I was on 100k or so per month, I might do/say absolutely anything to squeak out another month or two. When government owned "businesses" are setting up tax shelters in foreign countries in order to exploit 'loopholes', anything is possible (ethically speaking).
What would happen if a majority of staff engaged in industrial action, and decided not to work on THEIR DAYS OFF?
What would happen if the majority of staff engaged in real industrial action, and not just the excuse-for-not-being-able-to-balance-making-my-bonus-as-well-as-keeping-the-shop-open lies? I guess the CEO could blame-shift with a straight face. Maybe thats (cue sinister music) the plan?
I think August 135, 2008 might go down in history as a watershed in industrial relations at AsA.
I'd have to think about it, but if I was on 100k or so per month, I might do/say absolutely anything to squeak out another month or two. When government owned "businesses" are setting up tax shelters in foreign countries in order to exploit 'loopholes', anything is possible (ethically speaking).
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Read the ASA claim before the IRC, prepared by a partner and Senior Associate of a BIG law firm.
Part of it states,
That it will be binding on ASA
Civilair
The employees of ASA employed by Civilair employed in the SY TCU and Melbourne on(sic) route centres.
Maybe the fact that Civilair doesn't have any ATCs as 'employees' cruelled things.
I wonder how much ASA got charged for this legal piece of wizardry? Partner and Senior Associate. Trips to the IRC, phone calls, faxes, and a 'snow flakes chance in hell' . The rumour going around is that 2 of the 3 weren't Civilair members anyway.
We must pay global prices to get the best managers. Maybe if they spent the time doing the job they were paid for , we wouldn't be in this mess.
Part of it states,
That it will be binding on ASA
Civilair
The employees of ASA employed by Civilair employed in the SY TCU and Melbourne on(sic) route centres.
Maybe the fact that Civilair doesn't have any ATCs as 'employees' cruelled things.
I wonder how much ASA got charged for this legal piece of wizardry? Partner and Senior Associate. Trips to the IRC, phone calls, faxes, and a 'snow flakes chance in hell' . The rumour going around is that 2 of the 3 weren't Civilair members anyway.
We must pay global prices to get the best managers. Maybe if they spent the time doing the job they were paid for , we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Personally, I think you need to pull your head in, Max.
The 'management' has publicly stated that it has barely 3 years since becoming aware of the staff problem, which isnt a staff problem, its industrial action orchestrated by the union- who, quite rightly, were dragged into the IRC for a shillacking, and even if the majority of the rebels aren't in the union, it's unprofessional not to work on every day off. In fact, several emergency meetings were held over the last week to rename days off, as that incorrectly implies some idea that the employee will not be attending work. Fortunately, a solution has been found, and there will now be rostered days, and the poorly named "days off" will now be "late notice of shift days". You would have to agree that even though the wording of the EBA says days off, that wasnt the intent. These loose interpretations threaten bonuses, sorry, business imperatives.
3 Years. Just 3 years, and in that time you also expect them to have gutted the college, and then flogged the students until they can train themselves. You expect there to have been meetings held in order to generate the plan. (It might have been possible that some oversight or accountability had materialised). You need a plan when that happens. You expect that funding will have been found in order to alter TAAATs software to recognise 3 digit dates for when August exceeds the previous administrations short-sightedness in only expecting 2 digits per month. That budget has already blown out, after factoring in the possibility of 4 digit months. You expect SDE disciples to have been recruited and converted. There are all those intercontinental meetings to decide which tax shelters to use...the list goes on.
3 years, Max. Just 3 years. Pretty rude.
The 'management' has publicly stated that it has barely 3 years since becoming aware of the staff problem, which isnt a staff problem, its industrial action orchestrated by the union- who, quite rightly, were dragged into the IRC for a shillacking, and even if the majority of the rebels aren't in the union, it's unprofessional not to work on every day off. In fact, several emergency meetings were held over the last week to rename days off, as that incorrectly implies some idea that the employee will not be attending work. Fortunately, a solution has been found, and there will now be rostered days, and the poorly named "days off" will now be "late notice of shift days". You would have to agree that even though the wording of the EBA says days off, that wasnt the intent. These loose interpretations threaten bonuses, sorry, business imperatives.
3 Years. Just 3 years, and in that time you also expect them to have gutted the college, and then flogged the students until they can train themselves. You expect there to have been meetings held in order to generate the plan. (It might have been possible that some oversight or accountability had materialised). You need a plan when that happens. You expect that funding will have been found in order to alter TAAATs software to recognise 3 digit dates for when August exceeds the previous administrations short-sightedness in only expecting 2 digits per month. That budget has already blown out, after factoring in the possibility of 4 digit months. You expect SDE disciples to have been recruited and converted. There are all those intercontinental meetings to decide which tax shelters to use...the list goes on.
3 years, Max. Just 3 years. Pretty rude.