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SickofQF, couldn't agree more! No point in being locked out. The best tool we have is the power of the pen. Always refer to the AMM. Make sure those EAs are correct. Read the EPPM and make sure you are using the correct procedures. Stop being heroes and just do your job as Qantas wants- by the book and safely. Remember- Safety before Schedule. Take 5. Stop and do a Lap!!
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Just for the uninitiated
STOP WORK MEETINGS TAKE PLACE ON BASE
NO ONE WILL BE LOCKED OUT GIRLS
It takes 6 times more resources to carry a wounded soldier than a dead one (Viet Cong main principle)
TAKE 5
DO A LAP
Then PUT A CAP IN HIS A$$
STOP WORK MEETINGS TAKE PLACE ON BASE
NO ONE WILL BE LOCKED OUT GIRLS
It takes 6 times more resources to carry a wounded soldier than a dead one (Viet Cong main principle)
TAKE 5
DO A LAP
Then PUT A CAP IN HIS A$$
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Another motto......
The Policy Manual is YOUR friend.
Adhere to it like really sticky glue......it's amazing how little you can do if you abide by it to the letter......
And of course, at the start of EVERY shift you must be aware of any changes to it, check your emails for CTS etc, etc, etc.
For example, all part removals must be certified, left hand DRR snag isn't enough.....all steps of maintenance must be signed for....not like the traditionally way it has been done...........it's in the Policy manual
The Policy Manual is YOUR friend.
Adhere to it like really sticky glue......it's amazing how little you can do if you abide by it to the letter......
And of course, at the start of EVERY shift you must be aware of any changes to it, check your emails for CTS etc, etc, etc.
For example, all part removals must be certified, left hand DRR snag isn't enough.....all steps of maintenance must be signed for....not like the traditionally way it has been done...........it's in the Policy manual
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Good advice FMU,
all LAMES should make themselves familiar with the QEPM. 3-10-25 covers certification. Suggest anyone supervising specialist maintenance such as composites or the like take a particular interest in this work, it may take a very long time for a LAME who is unfamiliar with these processes to satisfy himself and you may have to ask a lot of questions to satisfy yourself. I do not believe that there will be many takers for scab positions particularly ex HM LAMEs. If we do have to deal with theese people then again the internal procedures within QE such as Form 500 and Cross reports also CAIR or its sucessor within CASA could be used to deal with any and all transgressions these people who will be unfamiliar with the way in which we work may make particularly if there is no motivation for the current staff to show these people the error of their ways and watch their backs.
I still believe that the stop work meetings will be the most effective weapon despite some of the concerns raised by other posters.
all LAMES should make themselves familiar with the QEPM. 3-10-25 covers certification. Suggest anyone supervising specialist maintenance such as composites or the like take a particular interest in this work, it may take a very long time for a LAME who is unfamiliar with these processes to satisfy himself and you may have to ask a lot of questions to satisfy yourself. I do not believe that there will be many takers for scab positions particularly ex HM LAMEs. If we do have to deal with theese people then again the internal procedures within QE such as Form 500 and Cross reports also CAIR or its sucessor within CASA could be used to deal with any and all transgressions these people who will be unfamiliar with the way in which we work may make particularly if there is no motivation for the current staff to show these people the error of their ways and watch their backs.
I still believe that the stop work meetings will be the most effective weapon despite some of the concerns raised by other posters.
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Are the Stop Work meetings actually planned?
I was of the understanding they will only be called if a member is stood down or the like for no longer carrying out a secondment/overtime or higher duty.
I was of the understanding they will only be called if a member is stood down or the like for no longer carrying out a secondment/overtime or higher duty.
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As other posters here have rightly said,ALWAYS stick with the PPM,and all the other policies and safety notices as published by the company.
Always check your Lotus notes prior to certifying at the start of EVERY shift,because you never know when there has been an amendment to a procedure.Always check the validity of the Minor Maint Manuals,as these too change often,and can be amended between shifts and your days off.
Always,at the start of your shift,always remember SAFETY first.Always make sure your personal safety is never compormised.Like me,you should always do a walk around of ANY vehicle that you drive airside.You never know who has been in it before you,and what unsuspecting damage they may have done to it and not reported.So take my advice,and do a quick 5 min walk around check of the vehicle,as you would of any aircraft,and make sure your personal safety is assured before driving to the toolcrib,credo,etc.....
You may well be the first hole in the cheese,so take all the EXTRA precautions you need in these stressful times.If when you are out on a job,and you feel that your mind is wandering because you keep thinking about possible lockouts,lost wages,strikebreaking workforces lurking outside the gate,etc.....then as my mate Murray would say,"Take five",and calm yourself down,and get your mind focussed and back on the job.This way,it may take a few minutes longer to complete your inspection,but you will go home fully satisfied that you have done the right thing by the company and not compromised the SAFETY of any aircraft,passengers or your work colleagues.
Really all this advise is common sense,and as all engineers know,we are full of it........lol
Merry Xmas to all,and don't think too much about all this until New Years.
Best Wishes to all posters
Always check your Lotus notes prior to certifying at the start of EVERY shift,because you never know when there has been an amendment to a procedure.Always check the validity of the Minor Maint Manuals,as these too change often,and can be amended between shifts and your days off.
Always,at the start of your shift,always remember SAFETY first.Always make sure your personal safety is never compormised.Like me,you should always do a walk around of ANY vehicle that you drive airside.You never know who has been in it before you,and what unsuspecting damage they may have done to it and not reported.So take my advice,and do a quick 5 min walk around check of the vehicle,as you would of any aircraft,and make sure your personal safety is assured before driving to the toolcrib,credo,etc.....
You may well be the first hole in the cheese,so take all the EXTRA precautions you need in these stressful times.If when you are out on a job,and you feel that your mind is wandering because you keep thinking about possible lockouts,lost wages,strikebreaking workforces lurking outside the gate,etc.....then as my mate Murray would say,"Take five",and calm yourself down,and get your mind focussed and back on the job.This way,it may take a few minutes longer to complete your inspection,but you will go home fully satisfied that you have done the right thing by the company and not compromised the SAFETY of any aircraft,passengers or your work colleagues.
Really all this advise is common sense,and as all engineers know,we are full of it........lol
Merry Xmas to all,and don't think too much about all this until New Years.
Best Wishes to all posters
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Qantas engineers hold off strike Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print December 23, 2007
A STRIKE of more than 1,500 Qantas engineers will remain in the wings until the new year, with the airline today offering an olive branch to the technicians' union.
More than 1,700 aircraft engineers will walk off the job on January 9 in protest against growing casualisation of the workforce and erosion of working conditions.
Almost 90 per cent of members from the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) voted for the action following the breakdown of enterprise negotiations with the airline.
It would represent the largest disruption to the nation's air travel since the 1989 pilots' strike, and threatens holidaying plans for thousands.
Tensions again mounted between the two sides today, with informal talk of bringing the action closer to Christmas - traditionally the busiest time for Australia's airlines.
ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said the engineers were loath to disrupt Christmas and new year travel, but strike action could go ahead if Qantas took hostile action.
"ALAEA won't be acting before January 9," Mr Purvinas said.
"The only possibility (of that) would be if Qantas decides to start locking out employees.
"We don't want to disrupt the holiday or Christmas and new year and hopefully we can have meaningful discussions with the airline."
A lock-out - where the airline sends employees home without pay until further notice, and replaces them with casual or other workers - was not in Qantas's interests, Mr Purvinas said.
Qantas executive general manager engineering David Cox dismissed the suggestion.
"We are not going to do that,'' he said.
Executive general manager people Kevin Brown said Qantas remained committed to finding a solution to the issue.
"There are no plans for a lock-out at this stage,'' Mr Brown said.
"We will resume negotiations with the union on January 4."
A STRIKE of more than 1,500 Qantas engineers will remain in the wings until the new year, with the airline today offering an olive branch to the technicians' union.
More than 1,700 aircraft engineers will walk off the job on January 9 in protest against growing casualisation of the workforce and erosion of working conditions.
Almost 90 per cent of members from the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) voted for the action following the breakdown of enterprise negotiations with the airline.
It would represent the largest disruption to the nation's air travel since the 1989 pilots' strike, and threatens holidaying plans for thousands.
Tensions again mounted between the two sides today, with informal talk of bringing the action closer to Christmas - traditionally the busiest time for Australia's airlines.
ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said the engineers were loath to disrupt Christmas and new year travel, but strike action could go ahead if Qantas took hostile action.
"ALAEA won't be acting before January 9," Mr Purvinas said.
"The only possibility (of that) would be if Qantas decides to start locking out employees.
"We don't want to disrupt the holiday or Christmas and new year and hopefully we can have meaningful discussions with the airline."
A lock-out - where the airline sends employees home without pay until further notice, and replaces them with casual or other workers - was not in Qantas's interests, Mr Purvinas said.
Qantas executive general manager engineering David Cox dismissed the suggestion.
"We are not going to do that,'' he said.
Executive general manager people Kevin Brown said Qantas remained committed to finding a solution to the issue.
"There are no plans for a lock-out at this stage,'' Mr Brown said.
"We will resume negotiations with the union on January 4."
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There will be no strikes!! My personal opinion is that there are going to be a lot of LAMES sick on the same day. These things tend to happen when people get stressed out about things.
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There will be no strikes!! My personal opinion is that there are going to be a lot of LAMES sick on the same day. These things tend to happen when people get stressed out about things.
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I wouldn't be expecting too much help from the labour federal government either. They'll be looking to flex their muscles and show the public how they can keep the unions under control.
You strike (or "fall sick all on one day" ) - you hurt innocent people. You do that and you lose support. Not to mention the fact you should personally take the blame for what happens to the people you effect.
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Striking.....???
That's "putting the cart before the horse". We haven't got there yet and hopefully won't.
It's important to realise that there are plenty of options that strain the system appropriately before considering strike action.
Best to leave that one alone for now.
It's important to realise that there are plenty of options that strain the system appropriately before considering strike action.
Best to leave that one alone for now.
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Exactly right,
That would get the public offside real quick.
If Joe/Joanne public's flight is late because the engineers are making sure his/her aircraft is safe for flight they won't hate us quite as much !!
My gut feeling is someone such as John Vincent will take DC to one side and explain that his 'customer' will take a very dim view of not having half it's fleet available for use and then DC will come up with some sort of sweetener to save his own skin.
having said that, I can't see DC or MH etc surviving much past this dispute. It simply should never have gotten this far....
We WILL very likely NOT get more than 3%.....but we might get lots of other bonuses, which are all pointless unless those two clauses are removed!
That would get the public offside real quick.
If Joe/Joanne public's flight is late because the engineers are making sure his/her aircraft is safe for flight they won't hate us quite as much !!
My gut feeling is someone such as John Vincent will take DC to one side and explain that his 'customer' will take a very dim view of not having half it's fleet available for use and then DC will come up with some sort of sweetener to save his own skin.
having said that, I can't see DC or MH etc surviving much past this dispute. It simply should never have gotten this far....
We WILL very likely NOT get more than 3%.....but we might get lots of other bonuses, which are all pointless unless those two clauses are removed!
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if they had agreed to the 5% increase in the first place would have they saved money by now? I mean with the amoount of wages they have had to waste by sending all the negociators to meetings wouldn't that have made up for the 2% difference
Maybe someone should let DC think about that one
Maybe someone should let DC think about that one
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ABC News....so much for left wing bias........
So much for the ABC's alledged left wing bias.........they are as bad as all the rest of the "independant media"
Strike may affect holiday travel, Qantas warns
Posted Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:38pm AEDT
Updated Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:02pm AEDT
If the strike goes ahead, Qantas says its domestic services may be impacted. (ABC News)
Qantas passengers could face disruption to services over the holiday period because of a strike by engineers.
Members of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association have voted to take industrial action after talks on the enterprise bargaining agreement broke down.
Qantas's executive general manager of human resources, Kevin Brown, says the door remains open to find a solution, but contingency plans will be put in place.
"We would attempt to maintain all of our international operations and therefore the impact would be more around our domestic network," he said.
"However, that is still some time off for us. Their action wouldn't commence until the 9th of January and it will depend on what they choose to do.
"We will be taking some steps [which] we'll announce in the course of the next week to ensure that our passengers can fly when they want."
Mr Brown says Qantas's response depends on what action the engineers decide to take.
"The door remains open at Qantas to try and find a solution to our industrial negotiations with them and to reach agreement with the union," he said.
"We've been in endless and numerous discussions in the course of the last year ... but of course it requires the goodwill of the union to participate in that.
"At this stage they've said they're going to take action no matter what."
Good to see Kevin Brown lying through his teeth as usual. What a di#k.
Strike may affect holiday travel, Qantas warns
Posted Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:38pm AEDT
Updated Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:02pm AEDT
If the strike goes ahead, Qantas says its domestic services may be impacted. (ABC News)
Qantas passengers could face disruption to services over the holiday period because of a strike by engineers.
Members of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association have voted to take industrial action after talks on the enterprise bargaining agreement broke down.
Qantas's executive general manager of human resources, Kevin Brown, says the door remains open to find a solution, but contingency plans will be put in place.
"We would attempt to maintain all of our international operations and therefore the impact would be more around our domestic network," he said.
"However, that is still some time off for us. Their action wouldn't commence until the 9th of January and it will depend on what they choose to do.
"We will be taking some steps [which] we'll announce in the course of the next week to ensure that our passengers can fly when they want."
Mr Brown says Qantas's response depends on what action the engineers decide to take.
"The door remains open at Qantas to try and find a solution to our industrial negotiations with them and to reach agreement with the union," he said.
"We've been in endless and numerous discussions in the course of the last year ... but of course it requires the goodwill of the union to participate in that.
"At this stage they've said they're going to take action no matter what."
Good to see Kevin Brown lying through his teeth as usual. What a di#k.
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Originally Posted by AEROMEDIC
strain the system appropriately
You harm innocent people then you lose, and should be rightfully blamed for the financial expense imposed on others in society.
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it all comes down to what i first said the public is who we need, we need the ALAEA to come up with a good plan media statment with fact and figures to show exactly why they should be doing this PIA
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Take PIA and delay customers and you lose the public. Some people may support you, right up to the point they miss their grandmothers funeral, or their business loses money because you want a better pay deal.
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this is what i mean need to get the info out before any disruptions happen, fact of the matter is people will hate the people delaying the planes not the company and qf knows that. let the public see qf has the ability to aviod any diruptions they earnt what a billion dollars come on they can afford an extra 2% don't be so tight GD
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who gives a **** what the public or the media think,you have been in negotiation for 12 mths with Qantas management not them,you are smacking them not the other 2,it's those d!ickheads that should be held accountable not the LAMES.
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they earnt what a billion dollars come on they can afford an extra 2% don't be so tight GD
To make a silly example, $1 billion in profit using $100 billion in assets is horrible.
If you chew into that $1 billion (and with an agreement over the long term) you devalue the company.