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Good work everone and respect to section 41. Good to see support is coming from all levels!
As for the AME's supporting the LAME's, I doubt that the AWU will feel that charitable, in fact I believe they may try to assist the company.
Just a gut feeling, however from what I hear there is a fair few AME's right behind you.
As for the AME's supporting the LAME's, I doubt that the AWU will feel that charitable, in fact I believe they may try to assist the company.
Just a gut feeling, however from what I hear there is a fair few AME's right behind you.
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As for the AME's supporting the LAME's, I doubt that the AWU will feel that charitable, in fact I believe they may try to assist the company
It is not their fight, they had no say in this.... NO VOTE.
Good luck to them.
We have to work from our position use the Maintenance manual and Policy manual to the LAMEs best advantage. Yes the AME have a vested interest especially in Heavy Maintenance but we can't ask them to fight for us when they will receive non of the spoils....
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I am sorry you feel so objectionable to my post Mr McBolt, but I was purely suggesting that if the AME's did follow the LAME's lead with certain aspects of the IA, then the action would hit harder.
As for doing all the O/T, who will certify for it?
As for doing all the O/T, who will certify for it?
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Ballot Result
If this is the true result, it is a good one.
I am pleased that the ALAEA has finally had the support of its members.
Do not lose sight of your objective and stand together and fight.
I am very uncertain of the outcome but it could go either way.
Good Luck.
I am pleased that the ALAEA has finally had the support of its members.
Do not lose sight of your objective and stand together and fight.
I am very uncertain of the outcome but it could go either way.
Good Luck.
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whatdouknow & bolty
Have to agree with you bolty. It's our stoush so let's enjoy the bunfight!
But you raise a good point wduk re signing. Some one will - there are enough management with valid licences and the odd non alaea member, plus and I'm guessing, maybe the odd non-combatant. Supervision (or level of/lack of) prior to signing may be an issue.
It hasn't got there yet and may yet be headed off at the pass, but close to ninety percent is certainly an alarm call for any one listening that not every one in paradise is happy.
But you raise a good point wduk re signing. Some one will - there are enough management with valid licences and the odd non alaea member, plus and I'm guessing, maybe the odd non-combatant. Supervision (or level of/lack of) prior to signing may be an issue.
It hasn't got there yet and may yet be headed off at the pass, but close to ninety percent is certainly an alarm call for any one listening that not every one in paradise is happy.
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Great Result!!! Wonder if the company has worked out that engineering management is so pathetic yet?
I know of 2 guys who voted no. Not because they agreed with the company's position, but they fear where this is headed. Both respect the vote result and will be doing their bit to support the action. So those that will be supporting the action will be greater than the 86% that voted yes.
Heard one duty manager (don't know how he voted) state " Now the company might realize how strong the feeling is out there"
I know of 2 guys who voted no. Not because they agreed with the company's position, but they fear where this is headed. Both respect the vote result and will be doing their bit to support the action. So those that will be supporting the action will be greater than the 86% that voted yes.
Heard one duty manager (don't know how he voted) state " Now the company might realize how strong the feeling is out there"
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The only concern is Qantas is already on a "LAME destroying mission" anyway.
We have basically given them power to stand people down and discuss later, if they have a backup plan to keep the planes flying that is. We need to be very vigilant with the aircraft we service and note all maintenance concerns immediately, source only the approved tooling and use only approved data as we have always done and will continue to do. We know the weaknesses of the system of maintenance and we know the legal methods to ensure the aircraft remain serviceable and safe.
Do not be pressured and contact your union rep when things get uncomfortable. Don't do anything unlawful!
The public will be our friends, tell all your family and friends over the Christmas season about this disgusting Gordon Gecko mentality we have in charge of our iconic Australian carrier. They will remember them as the unbiased management ....... "You have to mental not to accept this offer"
I am sure the first 'off base' stop-work meeting will see a 'lockout' threat emerge. I don't think Dixon will let us have an easy path to 5%. Remember his GOD is money and his disciples are the mega-shareholders. He won't let the motherload out of his office without a fight. As he has stated before employees and customers are not his concern.
It will be a very interesting January and I am sure the war lords are planning strategies as we enjoy the lavishes of the Christmas spread put on by our employer.
The only outcome should we reach the 16th January without a negotiated result is a very long time of bad relationship between LAME's and management that won't heal overnight. In almost all industrial event such as this the employer comes out trumps. Time to unite and be strong lads. Await instructions from central command.
We have basically given them power to stand people down and discuss later, if they have a backup plan to keep the planes flying that is. We need to be very vigilant with the aircraft we service and note all maintenance concerns immediately, source only the approved tooling and use only approved data as we have always done and will continue to do. We know the weaknesses of the system of maintenance and we know the legal methods to ensure the aircraft remain serviceable and safe.
Do not be pressured and contact your union rep when things get uncomfortable. Don't do anything unlawful!
The public will be our friends, tell all your family and friends over the Christmas season about this disgusting Gordon Gecko mentality we have in charge of our iconic Australian carrier. They will remember them as the unbiased management ....... "You have to mental not to accept this offer"
I am sure the first 'off base' stop-work meeting will see a 'lockout' threat emerge. I don't think Dixon will let us have an easy path to 5%. Remember his GOD is money and his disciples are the mega-shareholders. He won't let the motherload out of his office without a fight. As he has stated before employees and customers are not his concern.
It will be a very interesting January and I am sure the war lords are planning strategies as we enjoy the lavishes of the Christmas spread put on by our employer.
The only outcome should we reach the 16th January without a negotiated result is a very long time of bad relationship between LAME's and management that won't heal overnight. In almost all industrial event such as this the employer comes out trumps. Time to unite and be strong lads. Await instructions from central command.
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Just Got A Call From A Ex Heavy Mate In Syd Who Has
Been Called Tonight From Resume.com Offering Him
Big Dollars (100k For 6 Months) To Work On Qf Aircraft In Syd.
Looks Like Qf Trying To Recruit A Strike Breaker Pool
For The Record He Told Them To Jam It.
Dc Is Getting Serious Eh!!!!
Where Is That Copy Of Bastard Boys?
Ps
Respect To Section 41
Been Called Tonight From Resume.com Offering Him
Big Dollars (100k For 6 Months) To Work On Qf Aircraft In Syd.
Looks Like Qf Trying To Recruit A Strike Breaker Pool
For The Record He Told Them To Jam It.
Dc Is Getting Serious Eh!!!!
Where Is That Copy Of Bastard Boys?
Ps
Respect To Section 41
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I am sorry you feel so objectionable to my post Mr McBolt, but I was purely suggesting that if the AME's did follow the LAME's lead with certain aspects of the IA, then the action would hit harder.
Like most LAMEs most I learned at tafe was how to dish out and take a sledge.
I was just suggesting a level headed approach. As I did not expect members of another union to fight my battles and I certainly don't want see people harassed over my cause...
I know vilification is a game we can all play but we may need all the friends and allies we can keep by the end of this.
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As for the AME's supporting the LAME's, I doubt that the AWU will feel that charitable
As a non LAME, I know that now, more than ever, we all need to be united. Why would the AWU support the company against the LAMEs, when the outcomes gained through the action taken by the LAMEs is going to flow on to AWU members anyway???
I am not a member of either of the above mentioned unions however, I know that the members of my AME union are fully supportive of the LAME's actions. We will follow the directions of the ALAEA members on our crews at all times during the PIA.
We MUST all remain united.
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Wasn't inter-union bashing that I was suggesting, merely an opinion!
It is pleasing to hear that a least a few of the parties support the cause.
Yes I agree we 'all' must follow the LAME's in this dispute, just for the cause.
I just hope that happens and as Mr McBolt said we don't expect the same level of fight, just overall support.
Respect to 'We must remain united'
It is pleasing to hear that a least a few of the parties support the cause.
Yes I agree we 'all' must follow the LAME's in this dispute, just for the cause.
I just hope that happens and as Mr McBolt said we don't expect the same level of fight, just overall support.
Respect to 'We must remain united'
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If ex SYD heavy guys come back as scabs they are truly morons !
Why on earth would they come back and help the same half-wit management team that shafted them ??
$100k for 6 months.....and all we want is a piddly 2% extra......sheesh.
In reality this shows you it's NOT about the money, they want those two evil clauses kept in so they can truly screw us to the wall.
For us it's also not really about the money, it's about trying to show that DC and his minions have ruined, in under 10 years, the world's greatest aircraft maintenance orgaisation which took 75 years to get to where it was.
Sadly there will be an extra roo on a hillside if this slide cengineered by GD and DC is allowed to continue.
As expected, the nations media outlets are just trotting out the QF line, all holidays to be disrupted...evil, evil, greedy engineers........
it's going to be tough boys, fortunately the biggest cards in our hand are a Labor government and a worldwide shortage of Aircraft Engineers.
Why on earth would they come back and help the same half-wit management team that shafted them ??
$100k for 6 months.....and all we want is a piddly 2% extra......sheesh.
In reality this shows you it's NOT about the money, they want those two evil clauses kept in so they can truly screw us to the wall.
For us it's also not really about the money, it's about trying to show that DC and his minions have ruined, in under 10 years, the world's greatest aircraft maintenance orgaisation which took 75 years to get to where it was.
Sadly there will be an extra roo on a hillside if this slide cengineered by GD and DC is allowed to continue.
As expected, the nations media outlets are just trotting out the QF line, all holidays to be disrupted...evil, evil, greedy engineers........
it's going to be tough boys, fortunately the biggest cards in our hand are a Labor government and a worldwide shortage of Aircraft Engineers.
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Hmm... and if we don't come back are we just 'suspected' morons?
No, that's not what was meant and I'm sure you know that! You are still part of our LAME family. Anyway, from what I hear most if not all of you are much happier in your new professions ?
Would you argue the point that any takers would be morons though ?
I don't see any posts as yet where ex-heavy people are coming back as SCABS.
Are you expecting someone to post "Hi, mine names Fred Nergs and I'm planning on scabbing" seriously !
Wish QF would pay me $100k for every six months
No, that's not what was meant and I'm sure you know that! You are still part of our LAME family. Anyway, from what I hear most if not all of you are much happier in your new professions ?
Would you argue the point that any takers would be morons though ?
I don't see any posts as yet where ex-heavy people are coming back as SCABS.
Are you expecting someone to post "Hi, mine names Fred Nergs and I'm planning on scabbing" seriously !
Wish QF would pay me $100k for every six months
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As the owner of a certain media organisation was until only recently a board member,don't expect any impartiality when it comes to truthful reporting of what the ALAEA log of claims is from his news/print outlets.
I just hope that the public realise that we arent asking for a huge wage increase in the proportions that management dole out for themselves,and that we are asking for 5%,and that is only for the life of the agreement.
I just hope that the public realise that we arent asking for a huge wage increase in the proportions that management dole out for themselves,and that we are asking for 5%,and that is only for the life of the agreement.
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WoW OMFG
For once in my lifetime, We stand united
85% in favour of IA
To the El Pres, Fed Sec and the EBA team,
Well done you have judged your members well and have found QF management wanting badly.
To my fellow MEMBERS of the ALAEA I'm so proud of all of you, not in thirty years have I seen such determination and resilience KEEP IT UP
Time to pay the ferryman DC and we will only take GOLD and you can shove the XPT and Def of Employee where the sun don't shine.
WE WILL NOT BE BULLIED ANY LONGER
For once in my lifetime, We stand united
85% in favour of IA
To the El Pres, Fed Sec and the EBA team,
Well done you have judged your members well and have found QF management wanting badly.
To my fellow MEMBERS of the ALAEA I'm so proud of all of you, not in thirty years have I seen such determination and resilience KEEP IT UP
Time to pay the ferryman DC and we will only take GOLD and you can shove the XPT and Def of Employee where the sun don't shine.
WE WILL NOT BE BULLIED ANY LONGER
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If you want an idea of where DC etc get their ideas and tactics......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajB...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qajB...eature=related
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Firstly who gives a sh!t what the media report,secondly i too got this phone call to come in for a interview for the 100k for 6 months,i will be going in for the interview,but if it is for the Rat i to will be telling them to shove it, i have no interest in working for Qantas ever again at any price ,nor do i wish to scab even though our LAME brothers in other deparments did nothing when we got the arse,and yes i have left the industry and i couldn't be happier
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Fed Sec
Fed Sec of ALAEA How do you plan on getting the public on your unions side? As much as yourself and the team may be doing what is best for your members what about the average people of australia? Industrial Action is a good threat to the comapny but as it's been stated there is on 1,700 LAME's which is a massive amount but what about the millions of people throughout Aus and the world for that matter who travel with QF. Obviously you need your members on your side in which you have proven but the general public pose a lot higher threat as they are the ones that put the money into the company i think you could develop this a lot further. If you can scare Qntas with somethng to show that the public are just as worked up about this as your members i think you could this over with a lot quicker. My suggestion information: things such as stats on how much qantas have earnt and how much has gone into engineering (one of teh most important parts of this business).
I know it may be harsh but the public won't give a sh1t about anything if it means tehy may have delayed flights you and your union will need something to let tjhem understand they are a lot quicker to judge the people screwing up their time over the people in the wrong.
I know it may be harsh but the public won't give a sh1t about anything if it means tehy may have delayed flights you and your union will need something to let tjhem understand they are a lot quicker to judge the people screwing up their time over the people in the wrong.