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They advertised for the same positions over a year ago. I applied but was eventually told the opportunity never eventuated?? Same job code too.
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Its not about 5% because they will give us 3%
so is 2% worth all this bullsh$#,we told them what we think hold out for some fringe benfits and remove the xtp and lame to ame clauses and lets settle this thing.. this lock out crap aint worth 2%
so is 2% worth all this bullsh$#,we told them what we think hold out for some fringe benfits and remove the xtp and lame to ame clauses and lets settle this thing.. this lock out crap aint worth 2%
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I agree with you about the clauses cementhead, but you also have to remember that every time you take a pay rise, which is below inflation, it's a pay cut, and it keeps the LAME pay rates going backwards.
Remember its not just about you and me, it's about everyone who enters this job in the future and the calibre of engineers in the future. Pay peanuts, get monkeys!
I'm already earning less than Qantas's competitors!
So yes it is worth the grief for 2%, id rather sit on my current pay than accept 3%
Remember its not just about you and me, it's about everyone who enters this job in the future and the calibre of engineers in the future. Pay peanuts, get monkeys!
I'm already earning less than Qantas's competitors!
So yes it is worth the grief for 2%, id rather sit on my current pay than accept 3%
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Thanks LME-400 for that.
Well if they are secretly training guys to be able to sign for QF aircraft,then there must be an instructor from the training school conducting training and examinations.Anybody know who it is?
I doubt if it is Bwarry.He'd be too slow.Just ask any African about the length of time it takes to assess their past training.
Well if they are secretly training guys to be able to sign for QF aircraft,then there must be an instructor from the training school conducting training and examinations.Anybody know who it is?
I doubt if it is Bwarry.He'd be too slow.Just ask any African about the length of time it takes to assess their past training.
This could well be an interesting update
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...344952338.html
IF, Qantas manage to get a team of strike breaking scabs, how do they go about training the scabs considering they require, under the Qantas system of maintenance, and a CASA requirement no doubt, 214 training and differences training ?
Even if they do manage to secure enough scabs, will the staff at the technical training school at Qantas be willing to train a bunch of scabs ?
One thing we do have on our side is there are a lot of bitter redundant ex Qantas workers, who are more then likely going to tell resumedomain.com to stick it as well as the fact that by the rules and reg's of this country state that engineers are unable to maintain their CASA License due to not working on aircraft for a 6 month in a 24 month period.
Anyway, if at the end of the day we are all locked out, lose our jobs and Qantas have an alternative workforce, I for one think its great they would be willing to pay their engineers 200k a year, more then a captain at the same airline. Could it be a sign of the future ?????
How much would it cost to give an extra 2% compared to the millions of $ they're willing to spend on scabs.. Really it does say something about this company's agenda.
Qantas is offering its former engineers, some made redundant as little as a year ago, jobs as strike breakers with a $100,000 salary for just six months work, a union says.
IF, Qantas manage to get a team of strike breaking scabs, how do they go about training the scabs considering they require, under the Qantas system of maintenance, and a CASA requirement no doubt, 214 training and differences training ?
Even if they do manage to secure enough scabs, will the staff at the technical training school at Qantas be willing to train a bunch of scabs ?
One thing we do have on our side is there are a lot of bitter redundant ex Qantas workers, who are more then likely going to tell resumedomain.com to stick it as well as the fact that by the rules and reg's of this country state that engineers are unable to maintain their CASA License due to not working on aircraft for a 6 month in a 24 month period.
Anyway, if at the end of the day we are all locked out, lose our jobs and Qantas have an alternative workforce, I for one think its great they would be willing to pay their engineers 200k a year, more then a captain at the same airline. Could it be a sign of the future ?????
How much would it cost to give an extra 2% compared to the millions of $ they're willing to spend on scabs.. Really it does say something about this company's agenda.
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just heard the 2gb talkback show with one of the alaea union delegates ,good job too. direct and to the point. I cant believe what i am hearing from some of the guys on this thread on how scared we are. you voted and it was a clear indication of a majority ,so suck it up and stop whining.be prepared for the worst and sometimes youre surprised of the outcome.
have a great xmas to one and all.
have a great xmas to one and all.
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re post 404. Apparently some 87% of returned votes DO think 2% is worth all this bulls*it. So far as I can tell, NO industrial has yet even taken place. Why are you already conceding defeat? We have never, ever, been better placed to secure a superior EBA outcome. All you have to do is keep information lines open, communicate, trust your executive and stand firm. I believe the new executive have proven themselves so far and as such, deserve and require our continued and unwavering support as we head into the 'real' EBA negotiations. If not, we may as well have signed off on 3% 12 months ago.
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I heard today that the Qantas Training School is gearing up for the conversion training for these strike breakers. instructors and administration staff have had there annual leave revoked for the next couple of months.
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Resumedomain.com Client is ?????
Been doing some hunting, and my info is that resumedomain.com client is Newport Aviation Pty Limited, the Managing Director Bruce MacDonald founder and CEO of FORSTAFF , the bloke that set up Avalon. apparently he sold to Candler McCLeod a couple of years ago for a squillion...there has been some squabbling her but i think that we need to be united and not bag each other, it is important we are solid as they seem pretty serious and have the bucks to throw around
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You will be glad to know that at a time when Qantas is in the news re possible Industrial Action, a cool head and a bit of restraint should be shown by it's management team. That's probably why Dixon only had his snout in the trough for 1,000,000 shares at NO COST today, and Gregg felt that he couldn't accept any more than 750,000 shares at NO COST.
Not bad, while the LAME's are only asking for an increase that will cover inflation and a bit of a catch up for years of restraint. The leadership in the place are grabbing as much as they can. Must be their reward for trying to sell the company to their mates on the cheap. $68 million if they had got away with it.
Not bad, while the LAME's are only asking for an increase that will cover inflation and a bit of a catch up for years of restraint. The leadership in the place are grabbing as much as they can. Must be their reward for trying to sell the company to their mates on the cheap. $68 million if they had got away with it.
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good work mate. any info is great. if it's genuine then pass it on to the Bexley Bunker. A few guys I know have been called by this scab-hiring mob. Aparrently very few details on phone but will tell more at interview. Ha fu**ing Ha. Go for the interview and if it's for real then good luck. if it's 'strike' breaking then GOOD LUCK.
Does present q management think that anyone who has left in the last 18 months did it for altruistic reasons? They all left 'cos they hate the way that the company they had loyally served for 30 -40 years had turned into a place where c**nts come to learn about management. These c**nts didn't care for aeroplanes and cared even less for people, people who had spent a life caring for THEIR aeroplanes. I have one reservation in all this, and that is the person driving this was also present during the pilot dispute. Rest assured Mr IO that we are not as easy to replace as your 'glorified bus drivers'. You may pay them more than us, but CASA and the qf system are buggers to get past.
5% is not such a barrier in the shadow of a 1.4 billion profit, is it? What do you want to be remembered by? You are only as good as your last game.
Does present q management think that anyone who has left in the last 18 months did it for altruistic reasons? They all left 'cos they hate the way that the company they had loyally served for 30 -40 years had turned into a place where c**nts come to learn about management. These c**nts didn't care for aeroplanes and cared even less for people, people who had spent a life caring for THEIR aeroplanes. I have one reservation in all this, and that is the person driving this was also present during the pilot dispute. Rest assured Mr IO that we are not as easy to replace as your 'glorified bus drivers'. You may pay them more than us, but CASA and the qf system are buggers to get past.
5% is not such a barrier in the shadow of a 1.4 billion profit, is it? What do you want to be remembered by? You are only as good as your last game.
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From Bloomberg.com
Qantas Readies Plan to Avoid Passenger Disruptions (Update2)
By Gemma Daley
Dec. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's biggest airline, is preparing a plan to minimize flight disruptions in the face of any action by 1,700 of its engineers seeking bigger raises and an improvement in working conditions.
``We are pursuing a variety of contingency arrangements to ensure our passengers can travel and book with confidence in January,'' Kevin Brown, head of human resources at the Sydney- based carrier, said in a telephone interview today.
To combat the planned industrial action, Qantas is trying to recruit engineers in New Zealand and hire 400 others made redundant last year, the Sydney Morning Herald reported today.
Any action by Qantas' workers would coincide with an improvement in performance. The carrier earlier this month predicted record profit after flying more domestic passengers.
The company's shares have gained 5 percent since the beginning of the year compared with a 0.4 percent decline for Singapore Airlines Ltd. in the same period. They rose 7 cents, or 1.3 percent, to A$5.48 at the close on the Australian Stock Exchange, their first gain since Dec. 13.
Ban on Overtime
Qantas engineers have agreed to introduce a ban on overtime work after negotiations over pay and working conditions collapsed following 13 months of discussions. The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association wants a 5 percent annual pay increase; Qantas has offered 3 percent.
Data show Qantas employees outperformed their counterparts at Singapore Airlines, Asia's most profitable carrier. Qantas' sales per employee exceeded Singapore Airlines' by almost 10 percent in U.S. dollar terms for the most recent 12 months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Former engineers and their New Zealand counterparts have contacted the union after being offered work, union spokesman Steve Re said in an interview, adding Qantas is set to resume talks on Jan. 4.
Workers will ban overtime beginning Jan. 9 and will stop all work should Qantas intervene, Re said.
Qantas, the target of a failed buyout bid, has carried 7.1 percent more passengers this fiscal year on higher demand at its domestic and Jetstar low-fare units.
A six-month national dispute in 1989 saw the Australian Federation of Air Pilots impose a limitation to working hours from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. during a campaign for a 29 percent pay rise. The Royal Australian Air Force stepped in to keep domestic air running smoothly.
To contact the reporter on this story: Gemma Daley in Canberra at [email protected]
Last Updated: December 24, 2007 00:23 EST
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Qantas Readies Plan to Avoid Passenger Disruptions (Update2)
By Gemma Daley
Dec. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Qantas Airways Ltd., Australia's biggest airline, is preparing a plan to minimize flight disruptions in the face of any action by 1,700 of its engineers seeking bigger raises and an improvement in working conditions.
``We are pursuing a variety of contingency arrangements to ensure our passengers can travel and book with confidence in January,'' Kevin Brown, head of human resources at the Sydney- based carrier, said in a telephone interview today.
To combat the planned industrial action, Qantas is trying to recruit engineers in New Zealand and hire 400 others made redundant last year, the Sydney Morning Herald reported today.
Any action by Qantas' workers would coincide with an improvement in performance. The carrier earlier this month predicted record profit after flying more domestic passengers.
The company's shares have gained 5 percent since the beginning of the year compared with a 0.4 percent decline for Singapore Airlines Ltd. in the same period. They rose 7 cents, or 1.3 percent, to A$5.48 at the close on the Australian Stock Exchange, their first gain since Dec. 13.
Ban on Overtime
Qantas engineers have agreed to introduce a ban on overtime work after negotiations over pay and working conditions collapsed following 13 months of discussions. The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association wants a 5 percent annual pay increase; Qantas has offered 3 percent.
Data show Qantas employees outperformed their counterparts at Singapore Airlines, Asia's most profitable carrier. Qantas' sales per employee exceeded Singapore Airlines' by almost 10 percent in U.S. dollar terms for the most recent 12 months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Former engineers and their New Zealand counterparts have contacted the union after being offered work, union spokesman Steve Re said in an interview, adding Qantas is set to resume talks on Jan. 4.
Workers will ban overtime beginning Jan. 9 and will stop all work should Qantas intervene, Re said.
Qantas, the target of a failed buyout bid, has carried 7.1 percent more passengers this fiscal year on higher demand at its domestic and Jetstar low-fare units.
A six-month national dispute in 1989 saw the Australian Federation of Air Pilots impose a limitation to working hours from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. during a campaign for a 29 percent pay rise. The Royal Australian Air Force stepped in to keep domestic air running smoothly.
To contact the reporter on this story: Gemma Daley in Canberra at [email protected]
Last Updated: December 24, 2007 00:23 EST
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Unless I am mistaken the Tech training school staff are under the LAME Tech salary staff award and I doubt that they would be prepared to offer their services to the company to put their colleagues out of a job.
The belief in management is tha the industrial action is being pushed by the exectutive the vote tells another story (no one more suprised by this than me) WE MUST STAND UNITED the stakes are much higher than I think many people realise our media coverage is already comparing our actions to the pilots dispute and unfortunatly they did not get much public support.
On the issue of "scabs' I believe that their would not be too any pilots that crossed the lie who on reflection are happy with the decision they made. We have an anomous forum here if any would like to comment that would be great.
If the dispute goes down the same road (which I doubt) the major difference this time is our qualifications are less transportable than the pilots (with the exception of the ex-HM guys) the airline in question this time is both domestic and international bit hard to fly a Herc to london or Lax. Our managers now may be qualified in running LAPs and lame smegma but relatively few are LAMES (because we all know tha that "you don't need to be a LAME to be a manager") they will not be able to certify in our place.
IF and only if we hold the line Maybe just Maybe we can make a difference.
The belief in management is tha the industrial action is being pushed by the exectutive the vote tells another story (no one more suprised by this than me) WE MUST STAND UNITED the stakes are much higher than I think many people realise our media coverage is already comparing our actions to the pilots dispute and unfortunatly they did not get much public support.
On the issue of "scabs' I believe that their would not be too any pilots that crossed the lie who on reflection are happy with the decision they made. We have an anomous forum here if any would like to comment that would be great.
If the dispute goes down the same road (which I doubt) the major difference this time is our qualifications are less transportable than the pilots (with the exception of the ex-HM guys) the airline in question this time is both domestic and international bit hard to fly a Herc to london or Lax. Our managers now may be qualified in running LAPs and lame smegma but relatively few are LAMES (because we all know tha that "you don't need to be a LAME to be a manager") they will not be able to certify in our place.
IF and only if we hold the line Maybe just Maybe we can make a difference.
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Engineers defiant: Bring it on Qantas, you can't replace us
http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/...ant_replace_us
http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/...ant_replace_us
As always, if you stick together, management will have to eat humble pie.
If you break ranks, you will be toast...
...and management are working furiously on the latter.
Your engineering job is a noble discipline and profession that is well worth fighting for.
This is quite unlike the so-called jobs that are held by some other greedy oxygen thieves that are employed by your airline.
If you break ranks, you will be toast...
...and management are working furiously on the latter.
Your engineering job is a noble discipline and profession that is well worth fighting for.
This is quite unlike the so-called jobs that are held by some other greedy oxygen thieves that are employed by your airline.
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Scharbus and Quesionable fixes
During my time with the big red roo i have seen some questionable fixes performed by LAME's that you wouldn't let work on your victa.
However most LAMES i know are very profesional and perform there duties to the higest level.
I take offence that you think only currently employeed LAMES with QANTAS know what they are doing.I have only left QF recently with over 25 years with them and i don't beleave i have forgotton how to perform my duties as a lame and would do so if i was re employeed again in the industry.Please give us ex employees that respect.
Yes i also along with probably 100's more have been approached to come back for the CASH.
and for the record they can go and get f##cked.
However most LAMES i know are very profesional and perform there duties to the higest level.
I take offence that you think only currently employeed LAMES with QANTAS know what they are doing.I have only left QF recently with over 25 years with them and i don't beleave i have forgotton how to perform my duties as a lame and would do so if i was re employeed again in the industry.Please give us ex employees that respect.
Yes i also along with probably 100's more have been approached to come back for the CASH.
and for the record they can go and get f##cked.
I don't doubt you mate, I for one believe Qantas is all the worse off for having made you guys redundant in the first place. Good on you for telling them to stick their job, if Qantas were an ethical company they would offer you guys your jobs back on a full time normal employment, instead they want you to become the wedge between the engineers, your former workmates. It could become as messy as the pilots strike, I for one wouldn't want to be on any list that would hinder my and my families life for the future.
There is a worldwide shortage of engineers at the moment, it is not the time to start accepting substandard pay rises especially since inflation has gone up past our pay rises, interest rates up, everything is up.
There is a worldwide shortage of engineers at the moment, it is not the time to start accepting substandard pay rises especially since inflation has gone up past our pay rises, interest rates up, everything is up.
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Share info - but do not breed fear ... that's what Q mgmt is doing.
Just remember how long it has taken them to introduce any 'efficiencies' over the last couple of years, and what the net worth of this 'change' has been. These twits couldn't organise a .... in a ....... .
That thin layer of fools up there are shi..ing themselves, make no mistake about that. They do not own the company but are accountable. They are in fear and are desperate, hence the measures they seek.
Be sensible, patient and above all be professional.
Be very particular and thorough ... begin NOW.
Just remember how long it has taken them to introduce any 'efficiencies' over the last couple of years, and what the net worth of this 'change' has been. These twits couldn't organise a .... in a ....... .
That thin layer of fools up there are shi..ing themselves, make no mistake about that. They do not own the company but are accountable. They are in fear and are desperate, hence the measures they seek.
Be sensible, patient and above all be professional.
Be very particular and thorough ... begin NOW.