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Well we can now see what we're dealing with. A bunch of people who would pay squillions on a short term fix. The amount of cash that would be spent on a six month venture I'm almost certain would be more than a 5% pay rise. I reckon that the guys who are asked to do this jolly accept the offer and come here for 6 months day care. Take the 100k and don't do a thing for it!!!!!! This is your chance to get back at them.
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our LAME brothers in other deparments did nothing when we got the arse
but if it is for the Rat i to will be telling them to shove it
I just wish those Resume.com ad's awhile ago were to restart H245 for SA checks as should have happened originally. A perfectly good hangar going to waste.
Perhaps the Union and QE should take another look at H245, I'm sure it could be started up again through BM ACS without much trouble.
Anyway back to the EBA
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When it comes to inconveniencing the traveling public, they will be quick to forget. We shouldn't need to worry about what our IA dose to them, but to QF's bottom line.
Waiting till after xmas is an act in good faith, which I believe is largely unheard, by the public.
Start Action over xmas, now that the company thinks we aren't going to and we will be heard
Shock the public, then get them onside once they are listening!
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'][FONT='Trebuchet MS','sans-serif']Qantas engineers set to strike...great timing.[/FONT]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:32 am[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] Post subject: Qantas engineers set to strike...great timing.[/FONT]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Engineers strike to disrupt new year holidays[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
December 22, 2007 01:46am
INDUSTRIAL action planned by about 1700 Qantas engineers could throw new year holiday plans into disarray for thousands of Australian travellers.
The strike, that could be the biggest disruption to air travel in Australia since a 1989 pilots' strike, follows a breakdown in enterprise bargaining agreements.
"We most certainly will be taking action from January 9," Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal secretary, Steve Purvinas told Fairfax newspapers.
Some 87 per cent of members voted for the industrial action which is likely to take the form of four-hour stoppages, making it impossible for Qantas to check its 213 aircraft without causing delays.
A Qantas spokesman admitted the action could seriously affect its operations, but said the airline was open to "finding a solution".
Mr Purvinas said he thought it would be difficult for Qantas to find replacement workers within the planned strike timeframe. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Of course, their EBA negotiations just happened to co-incide with the busiest travelling time of the year. How convenient. [/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Engineers strike to disrupt new year holidays[/FONT][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']
December 22, 2007 01:46am
INDUSTRIAL action planned by about 1700 Qantas engineers could throw new year holiday plans into disarray for thousands of Australian travellers.
The strike, that could be the biggest disruption to air travel in Australia since a 1989 pilots' strike, follows a breakdown in enterprise bargaining agreements.
"We most certainly will be taking action from January 9," Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association federal secretary, Steve Purvinas told Fairfax newspapers.
Some 87 per cent of members voted for the industrial action which is likely to take the form of four-hour stoppages, making it impossible for Qantas to check its 213 aircraft without causing delays.
A Qantas spokesman admitted the action could seriously affect its operations, but said the airline was open to "finding a solution".
Mr Purvinas said he thought it would be difficult for Qantas to find replacement workers within the planned strike timeframe. [/FONT]
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I don't know about that I know for one my family are always quick to judge who ever causes them the inconvience lol. I see the action will be starting from the 9th is this correct? I reckon should be some kind of a debate set up one if the ALAEA EBA Reps Vs David be nice to see. from his previous interviews seems he doesn't come prepared.
Also what is this new MRO going to mean? Avalon gone? Brisbane H/M?
I used to think the world of qantas i am completely Aussie and it's a shame that really seemed Australian has turned out to be nothing but a complete money maker. They make enough why do they have to turn around and be a sweat shop wanna-be.
I am not a LAME but do have close relations with some and the stuff that they go through is just crap.
Which ever way the union go i know that myself and the LAME's i know are onside and will do whatever we minority can to help.
I think people need to realise that the ALAEA and all unions for that matter are not only fighting for their own rights as workers but the futrue generations. I'm not sure if Mr Cox has any children but I would like to know how he would feel knowing that his family was getting ripped off by the company that is meant to be our countries sprit.
I no longer would like to call qf the sprit of aus, maybe VB can be promoted.
Also what is this new MRO going to mean? Avalon gone? Brisbane H/M?
I used to think the world of qantas i am completely Aussie and it's a shame that really seemed Australian has turned out to be nothing but a complete money maker. They make enough why do they have to turn around and be a sweat shop wanna-be.
I am not a LAME but do have close relations with some and the stuff that they go through is just crap.
Which ever way the union go i know that myself and the LAME's i know are onside and will do whatever we minority can to help.
I think people need to realise that the ALAEA and all unions for that matter are not only fighting for their own rights as workers but the futrue generations. I'm not sure if Mr Cox has any children but I would like to know how he would feel knowing that his family was getting ripped off by the company that is meant to be our countries sprit.
I no longer would like to call qf the sprit of aus, maybe VB can be promoted.
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Well done guys.
Give it to em!!
I too was contacted by Resume.com. I was thinking of doing what company spy suggested - Take their money for six months and pretend to be trying my hardest!! At the very least I think I'll string them along for as long as I can.
Don't try and win with a knockout blow. If you want to win you need to fight smart. Go 18 rounds and you'll win with the sheer number of body blows delivered rather than a single knockout punch.
The beauty of it all is that you can deliver these body blows simply by following Management policy and the Maintenance manual!!
Give it to em!!
I too was contacted by Resume.com. I was thinking of doing what company spy suggested - Take their money for six months and pretend to be trying my hardest!! At the very least I think I'll string them along for as long as I can.
Don't try and win with a knockout blow. If you want to win you need to fight smart. Go 18 rounds and you'll win with the sheer number of body blows delivered rather than a single knockout punch.
The beauty of it all is that you can deliver these body blows simply by following Management policy and the Maintenance manual!!
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What an opportunity for you Ex-Syd heavy guys to get your own back. Take the job, work till the bird is stripped, leave with your 75K and leave a smoking hole. Ask for more money to put it back together again.
Pure cream!
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It would be nice to see some life back in 245.
Pure cream!
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It would be nice to see some life back in 245.
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It is beyond belief that Qantas thinks they can use the disgruntled and f*#ked over ex Sydney workforce as "strike breakers"
Cox, you burnt your bridges with these fellows. They aint coming back! To believe otherwise shows that you have no sense of reality.
Cox, you burnt your bridges with these fellows. They aint coming back! To believe otherwise shows that you have no sense of reality.
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Cox can try to bring in as many as he likes....how's he going to find enough people with still-valid 747 licences?
Thus, someone will have to sign for them.............get the idea......???
and even if he does.....how the heck is he going to get their details into eQ ??? I can't even log into the damn system with the right password !!!
Thus, someone will have to sign for them.............get the idea......???
and even if he does.....how the heck is he going to get their details into eQ ??? I can't even log into the damn system with the right password !!!
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Gents,
Whatever way you look at it the resume.com offer
is pure strikebreaking .
That is all.
They are relying on LAME's not caring about anyone else
except themselves. You will be used to break the assn
and the membership. You will be seen buy your old workmates
and it wont be a warm reception.
Now you may say that it serves the ACS boys right for not
backing up the heavy guys when they got made redundant,
however the real blame lay with the old executive and
there failure to act until it was way to late.
Don't take your anger out on the people who
are still there and taking the fight up to the company
This is not a school yard fight.
This will be the real deal and whatever comes of it, there
will be pain on both sides.
If you are worried about losing 4 hrs pay then I suggest you go
away and have a real hard think about what is going on.
4hrs is the least of your problems.
You are making a stand for your job
The whole of engineering is so rundown that we really are at a crisis
point. If you don't see a similarity to what happened to heavy then
I suggest you open you eyes.
We have to get these clauses dropped.
If they want to set up a joint MRO with MAS then they
will do regardless.
You don't just sign a MRU overnight because your workforce
voted to take industrial action do you.
THEY ARE PLANNING IT ANYWAY! these things take a load of planning
and to announce it now just shows that it has been in the
pipeline for months.
Everything this management do is designed to break us,
erode pay, conditions and create disharmony.
Tools they will use on us.
They will lie (surprise, surprise )
They will threaten you with dockings and being stood down,
some legal, some not.
They will threaten to send work offshore, they already do!
They will threaten to give the 330/787/380 work away!
Bottom line is QF engineering will do whatever they want to
supposedly save a buck!
They are liars and cheats
They are the ones who created this mess.
All we did is whatever they told us to, and look at the
state of things now.
QF engineering is getting close to being a bloody disaster by the day.
If you think its bad now, Imagine the cluster f**k its going to be soon.
So whatever you do, don't come in as a strike breaker.
Let us fight these clowns before it is too late !!!!!!!!
Whatever way you look at it the resume.com offer
is pure strikebreaking .
That is all.
They are relying on LAME's not caring about anyone else
except themselves. You will be used to break the assn
and the membership. You will be seen buy your old workmates
and it wont be a warm reception.
Now you may say that it serves the ACS boys right for not
backing up the heavy guys when they got made redundant,
however the real blame lay with the old executive and
there failure to act until it was way to late.
Don't take your anger out on the people who
are still there and taking the fight up to the company
This is not a school yard fight.
This will be the real deal and whatever comes of it, there
will be pain on both sides.
If you are worried about losing 4 hrs pay then I suggest you go
away and have a real hard think about what is going on.
4hrs is the least of your problems.
You are making a stand for your job
The whole of engineering is so rundown that we really are at a crisis
point. If you don't see a similarity to what happened to heavy then
I suggest you open you eyes.
We have to get these clauses dropped.
If they want to set up a joint MRO with MAS then they
will do regardless.
You don't just sign a MRU overnight because your workforce
voted to take industrial action do you.
THEY ARE PLANNING IT ANYWAY! these things take a load of planning
and to announce it now just shows that it has been in the
pipeline for months.
Everything this management do is designed to break us,
erode pay, conditions and create disharmony.
Tools they will use on us.
They will lie (surprise, surprise )
They will threaten you with dockings and being stood down,
some legal, some not.
They will threaten to send work offshore, they already do!
They will threaten to give the 330/787/380 work away!
Bottom line is QF engineering will do whatever they want to
supposedly save a buck!
They are liars and cheats
They are the ones who created this mess.
All we did is whatever they told us to, and look at the
state of things now.
QF engineering is getting close to being a bloody disaster by the day.
If you think its bad now, Imagine the cluster f**k its going to be soon.
So whatever you do, don't come in as a strike breaker.
Let us fight these clowns before it is too late !!!!!!!!
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dc said if its not signed up by feb then the A330 will stay offshore.what a bunch of lies,the plan for mas was already in the pipe and being well and truly smoked.yes were fighting over the eba ,but so much more .until the third floor is stripped and gd himself comes and begs forgiveness forget a yes vote anytime soon.
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Getting the public on side is very important. GD and DC have the resources of the whole of Qantas at there disposal. It is the public and the press who will put pressure on management.
Hire some spin doctors to advise, pay for some advertising. Keep the message short and sweet.
LAME's payrise for last two years = 0%
Geoff Dixon's payrise this year = 27%
Geoff Dixon's bonus for privatising Qantas = $60 million
Inflation for last two years = 6.3%
Qantas's record profit this year = $1 Billion
WHO DO YOU THINK IS BEING REASONABLE?
Hire some spin doctors to advise, pay for some advertising. Keep the message short and sweet.
LAME's payrise for last two years = 0%
Geoff Dixon's payrise this year = 27%
Geoff Dixon's bonus for privatising Qantas = $60 million
Inflation for last two years = 6.3%
Qantas's record profit this year = $1 Billion
WHO DO YOU THINK IS BEING REASONABLE?
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87% in any ballot is not suprising, it is astonishing! It is the purist exclamation of unity. The 13% whom voted NO should now feel secure to come to the front line. Courage is now something we all share. When the scaremongers tout the companies retaliatory plans, ask but one question of yourself. Are they sustainable? The answer quite simply is 'go fark yourself'. This current management are fast making the sequel to 'Bye Bye Johnny'. Big mouths, no ears, void of social conscience, and disrespecting those that matter. Now they have picked this fight over 2%, priorities must be weighed. The fact's are that the DIFFERENCE between what 1700 workers are asking for, and what the company has offered, is considerably less than the CEO on QF's board takes in one year with bolt on's. That's right, it's pocket change! Get your company annual statements out, then multiply 1700 by an average of $85k and get 2% of that. Anybody who gives the king of the castle, JD, any credit of control in this dispute are misinformed. Watch the share price, it's our WORM. Rigged? The pot calling the kettle black. Victory will be delivered when the 'big brother' CEO's of the Investment firms with money in Qantas come a calling. The question will be 'how much do they want'. A swift slap behind the earhole will be heard for miles as the egotistical CEO is pulled into line. Do the figures again! Share price slips 40cents and big brother has 40million shares. An unnecessary brawl. Big brother's portfolio just slipped $16m. How much were they asking for again! If the egotistic CEO turns out to be manic and doesn't 'fix it' two things happen. They sell or he resigns. GD, stash your dreams of being the next Chris Corrigan, leave that for the next liberal government. Deflate your chest and get back to reality. Your shareholder's will not tolerate you stoking your ego with their money. Remember, this is Qantas. Bigger than one man's ego! Qantas' future is at all our heart's. Now go out their and condition your shareholders to understand that Aircraft Maint is expensive! We will get on with the job of ensuring the travelling public's safety. Cheers Merry Christmas
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Apparently the company is not Resume.com but www.resumedomain.com
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Big Bucks For Ex Sydney Heavy Maintenance Guys!!!!!!!!!!!
If I was an ex Sydney Heavy Maintenance guy I would come back for $100,000.00 for six months just to shove it up those that did not support them when they were retrenched.
I could smile at them at the picket line as I went to work to earn my big bucks, not to mention that I already have my redundancy payment and have probably paid off my mortgage.
I could smile at them at the picket line as I went to work to earn my big bucks, not to mention that I already have my redundancy payment and have probably paid off my mortgage.
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We need a clear strategy www.resumedomain.com have been advertising since early november, as per their website and i also hear that QLD and VIC people have been called
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headcone, how did the guys in other line stations ie bne,mel per drw etc not support the heavy guys ,a redline was ruled through 245 without any consultation and the alaea fought hard to save the jobs they could albeit at other line guys expense.along with half of the 245 guys who sat on their ass for two months took the cash and were happy to do so.most of these distinguished engineers have gone on to a life outside and are happy.some have gone to avalon or bne heavy as a means to keep their jobs.if we take your advice lets shut up shop rite now destroy aviation in australia and any future for ame,s or lames. come back walk the line i for one would be happy to see some of the guys return and take the cash,as a xmas bonus for a career cut well and truly short.
build a bridge of trust and get over yourself you self centred living in the past egophobe.
build a bridge of trust and get over yourself you self centred living in the past egophobe.